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The Tenacious Exiles: The Struggle of the People of Morphou to Return

By Steven Katsineris

Al-Jazeerah, October 9, 2006

"We live and breathe with one hope and one dream: to return to Morphou. Even
the young people who never saw Morphou live with this dream. The town of
Morphou exists for our children because we have told them about it. My
daughter knows everything about it through the pictures, videos and stories
of her grandparents. She knows all about the orchards we had in Morphou."
Charalambos Pittas Mayor of the Turkish-occupied town of Morphou, Cyprus.

Morphou is located in the northwestern part of Cyprus, 30 miles from the
capital Nicosia. The Plain of Morphou is one of the richest and most fertile
areas of Cyprus and Morphou soon grew into a significant market town. Due to
the abundance of underground water and irrigation agriculture developed
quickly in the area, with a variety of crops grown including apples,
vegetables, legumes, grains, taro, sesame, melons and citrus. Over time
there was a large increase in the cultivation of citrus. Morphou became the
main center of citrus growing in Cyprus and famous for its orange, lemon and
grapefruit orchards. In 1974 Morphou and the surrounding villages produced
51% of the citrus fruit grown in Cyprus. The inhabitants of Morphou founded
the Cooperative Organization Disposal Citrus Morphou (SODEM) to promote
Cypriot citrus abroad. The cooperative also built a plant that canned
juices.

The name Morphou (meaning beautiful place) dates back to ancient times and
is associated with the Goddess Aphrodite (the goddess of love and beauty).
The Lacones or Spartans originally settled Morphou and they brought with
them the worship of Aphrodite and named the town after her beauty. Near
Morphou lie the ruins of the ancient city of Soloi, one of the ten ancient
kingdoms of Cyprus. Numerous archaeological discoveries have been made
around Morphou reinforcing the connection to the cult of Aphrodite,
including the statue named the Aphrodite of Soloi.

Under British rule, in 1896, Morphou was established as a municipality.
Before the Turkish invasion, Morphou had a mainly Greek Cypriot population
of about 9,000 people. On August 16, 1974 Morphou and the adjacent area were
occupied by Turkish troops and its people were forcibly expelled or fled
from the town. Since then the displaced Greek Cypriot residents have been
forbidden to return to their homes and orchards. The Morphou Town Council
has since been based in Limmasol on the south coast. The Turkish invasion of
northern Cyprus in the summer of 1974 left 200,000 refugees, thousands dead
and hundreds missing. Of the 1,618 missing persons 140 of them came from the
Morphou region.

Turkish-Occupied Morphou.

"My country, the small island of Cyprus has been under occupation since
August 1974, when Turkey invaded and forcefully occupied 38% of our land.
Part of this occupied land is my town, the town of Morphou, of which I am
currently the mayor in exile." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor of Morphou.

Due to the Turkish army's military onslaught the Greek Cypriots inhabitants
of Morphou were forced to abandon their homes and properties. After the
Turkish forces captured Morphou the empty houses were allocated to Turkish
Cypriot refugees and later arriving settlers from Turkey. Morphou's name was
changed to Guzelyurt (in Turkish meaning beautiful country). At present the
population of Morphou is about 12,000 of which about 500 are its original
Turkish Cypriot inhabitants, some Turkish Cypriots from the government
controlled south of Cyprus and thousands of Turkish settlers.

The once lovely town is now fairly bleak and dilapidated, with most houses
in poor condition or rundown decaying ruins. Since 1974 the majority of
Morphou's inhabitants have not bothered to paint or repair the houses
because the Turkish authorities have not encouraged the town as a feasible
long-term settlement. Morphou has always been viewed as a region to be
traded or conceded in the event of a partial settlement or some sort of
resolution to the Cyprus problem. While the people now living in Morphou
have felt transitory they have been afraid to construct new dwellings or
properly maintain the homes they live in. Many of the older houses are built
of mud brick, which is suited to the hot Cypriot climate, but over time
without good maintenance water seeps in and the bricks turn to sludge and
the houses begin to fall apart. Many of the people are also unemployed, poor
and unable to afford repairs. The families of the region even bury their
dead in cemeteries in Nicosia rather than in the Morphou area. There is an
atmosphere of doubt, depression and hopelessness among the residents.

Most of Morphou's Turkish Cypriots Want a Settlement.

"We need to get a solution. We need to do something about this.we just want
peace. We are literally prisoners-our only crime is to be Turkish Cypriots.
Our occupiers are turning against us. Now they want to occupy us forever."
Doganci village farmer (Morphou region) Etem Tabak, from the Doganci Peace
Movement.

Many of the Turkish Cypriot residents of Morphou and nearby Zodia village
have been actively involved in demonstrations in support of a Cyprus
settlement. While some Turkish Cypriots and Turkish settlers are concerned
about the impact of any territorial adjustments or of living in mixed
communities again, others are eager about the prospects of a unified Cyprus
and of welcoming back Greek Cypriots to the Morphou district. For instance,
the 1,500 Turkish Cypriot residents of Doganci village have been very
active, organizing many peace rallies, street marches and other protests.
Despite police arrests of organizers and speakers the villagers have
continued to remain defiant. The village coffee shop is the vocal point for
political debate and planning demonstrations. The villagers also gather to
hear local bands playing. The most popular song in the village is, "Cyprus
is our prison and we are the prisoners. The Line is the prison bar and
Denktash is the guard."

In the last Turkish Cypriot elections in December 2003, over 54% of the
population of the area voted for pro-settlement parties, like the Peace and
Democracy Movement, the Republican Turkish Party and the Settlement and EU
Party, knowing that they would be the most affected by any settlement, since
the region would be given back to the Cyprus government if the Annan Plan
was accepted. Mustafa Akinci, leader of the Peace and Democracy Movement
said, "I believe the first input the Cypriot Turk would receive from a
settlement would to eliminate uncertainty.We just mentioned Guzelyurt.They
were neglecting the maintenance of their houses because there was
uncertainty. On every map, discussion of their area was included in the
territory to be handed over to the Cypriot Greeks."

While territorial adjustments would allow most of Morphou's Greek Cypriot
residents to return, the vast majority of Cypriots, Greek and Turkish alike
want a viable, comprehensible and lasting settlement to the division of
Cyprus that will let them live together in a united Cyprus. Territorial
changes in the Turkish-occupied north that hand over the Morphou region to
the free areas of the Republic of Cyprus are not a real and durable solution
to the Cyprus problem.

The Steadfast Refugees of Morphou Fight to Return and Reunite Cyprus.

"We want to make it clear to all directions that the people of Morphou and
residents of the wider Morphou area will not, under no circumstances, accept
the fait accompli of the invasion.their vision is to be able to live in a
free island without any dividing lines or occupation troops and enjoy the
advantages of the EU together with our Turkish Cypriot compatriots."
Resolution by the Morphou Municipality on the anniversary of the occupation
of the town, August 2003.

Since the occupation of Morphou, its people have become an active part of
the Cypriot opposition to Turkish occupation and a vital focus of
international attention to the Cyprus struggle for justice through their
organizing of various actions including, protest marches, press statements,
resolutions, Friends of Morphou groups and the Annual Morphou Rally in
October each year. These efforts stress their continued determination to
seek peace, a just and viable settlement and the reunification of Cyprus.

On the 29th anniversary of the occupation of the town Morphou refugees in a
resolution reiterated their call for a united Cyprus and a solution that
safeguards the three fundamental freedoms of movement, property and
settlement, establish the fate of all the missing persons and implements the
3rd Vienna agreement concerning the rights of the enclaved Greek Cypriots
living in occupied Cyprus.

Morphou Mayor Charalambos Pittas who was accompanied by the town's
municipality and three M.P.'s handed the resolution to Cyprus President
Tassos Papadopoulos and the embassies of the five permanent members of the
UN security Council. Pittas told the Cyprus News Agency that in the
resolution "we express our position that 29 years of Turkish invasion and
occupation are unacceptable, just as the current situation in Cyprus is
unacceptable too."

The resolution asked the governments of the five permanent members of the
Security Council "to exert pressure on Turkey and to work towards a just and
viable solution to the Cyprus problem which should guarantee a single
sovereignty, territorial unity and the integrity of the Republic of Cyprus,
the withdrawal of all Turkish troops and settlers and the return of all
refugees to their homes and properties."

The Morphou Rally.

"I found one thing particularly touching. After the Morphou rally I went to
the UN open day at the Ledra Palace Hotel and while I was there I met two
people from Morphou who I had seen at the rally. They were friends. At this
bi-communal event I also met two Turkish Cypriots who were living in their
houses in Morphou. The process is obviously painful, but they were able to
discuss the matter in a sensible way and to recognize the realities of both
sides. One of the Turkish Cypriots was herself a refugee from Limassol. She
would like to return to her home, should a settlement permit that." Andrew
Dismore, Labour MP.

Each year hundreds of Morphou refugees, joined by Cypriot, Greek, British,
Euro MP's, leaders of The Friends of Morphou and Friends of Cyprus and other
political and religious delegates from around the world hold an annual rally
at the Green Line in early October to show solidarity with the people of
Morphou, to protest the continuing Turkish occupation of northern Cyprus and
demand a solution to the division of Cyprus. Many politicians attend the
rally to express their support for Morphou, including Andrew Dismore, Labour
MP, Theresa Villiers, Conservative MEP, Eric Clarke, Labour MP, the Mayor of
Barnet, Cllr Joan, and Barnet Cllr Victor Lyon among others. The Barnett
Council of London became a twin town to Morphou in 1995 to further goodwill
between the communities and show support for those Greek Cypriots who have
been forced to live in exile.

Speaking at the rally, Theresa Villiers- Conservative MEP for London said,
"It is always a great pleasure to visit Cyprus and meet the Cypriot people,
I am always especially pleased to be invited to go to the Morphou Rally.It
is an honor to have been asked by the displaced residents of Morphou.It is
unacceptable that these people were driven from their homes and still cannot
return after thirty years. Morphou's twinning with Barnett- part of my own
European constituency-gives me special concern on this issue. I will
continue to campaign for a just solution to the Cyprus problem, creating a
free and united Cyprus. I will also campaign for the residents of Morphou to
be able to return to their homes."

Addressing politicians and hundreds of Morphou refugees at the Green Line,
Councillor Lyon said, "It is a moving experience to be so close to the
border and see the line dividing a nation. We must hope that the way is now
clear for an end to the problem for the benefit of all the people of
Cyprus."

The Search for a Brighter Future in a Reunified Cyprus.

"The Cypriot struggle, the struggle conducted by the people of Morphou, is a
struggle for the rights of all nations around the world for safeguarding the
principles of international law and human rights which are so severely
violated in my country by the Turkish army and Turkish leadership.Through
all I have said I wish to underline my love for the land I was born in, our
love for our occupied town of Morphou and our determination to continue our
fight." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor of Morphou, speech at the Mayors for Peace
Forum, January 16, 2003.

Despite the obstacles, strenuous efforts are continuing to find a solution
to the division of Cyprus and progress is being made. The 2003 opening of
barriers on the Green Line has led to increased cracks in the wall of
division and greater trust between the two communities and raised hopes of a
settlement of the conflict. Morphou refugees felt excited and overjoyed
about the prospect of going home after 30 years of exile if the
Turkish-occupied town was returned to the Republic of Cyprus' administration
as proposed in the various UN peace plans, including the Annan Plan. But
they also expressed their disapproval of any plan that ignored the right of
all the refugees to return to their homes and reunification of the island.

Expressing the popular sentiment of most Cypriots Morphou Mayor Charalambos
Pittas said he firmly believed that all the refugees must be allowed to
return to their homes, regardless of which side ultimately controlled each
town. Like most of Morphou's refugees Pittas is enthusiastic to return to
the families' house they left in 1974, but he doesn't want to visit his
birthplace as a tourist. He wants to return to his home for good and is
prepared to wait a little longer to achieve that aim. While the talks go on
among the leaders, the bi-communal contacts between the two communities
continue to develop.

When relatives of Charalambos Pittas visited his home for him, they were
given an old photo album and other personal items that the Turkish Cypriot
occupants of his property had saved for his family. There have been many
similar examples of acts of genuine goodwill and friendliness between the
ordinary people from both communities. While Mayor Pittas has never met or
spoken to retired Turkish Cypriot geography teacher Aktan Imamzade, he says
that he feels no anger towards him. "I'm sure the same as when I was moved
from my house.He has told my relatives that he is looking after the house.
He does not regard himself as the owner. I have a good feeling about him.
And he has given my relatives the opportunity to go inside the house and
take photos."

"We have to put behind us the past that separates us and look into the
future that unites us. The people of Cyprus, Greek-Cypriots and
Turkish-Cypriots, must live together in a state that respects and secures
all human rights and basic freedoms. Freedom of movement, freedom of
residence and property need to occur.Our children have the right and we have
the obligation to offer our children a reunited and prosperous Cyprus. Our
strong belief is that the communities in Cyprus, Greek Cypriots.Turkish
Cypriots, Maronites, Armenians and Latins should live in condition of
security, prosperity, respect and mutual understanding in a reunited
Cyprus.We seek a state of law for all Cypriot people irrespective of
language, religion, colour or nationality." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor of
Morphou.

One day the displaced people of Morphou will return home permanently, to
live once again in the midst of the fragrant orange blossom atmosphere of
Morphou. Things will never be the same, but in time a new generation will
rebuild the broken lives, communities and buildings that conflict and
division shattered. And may we always remember the dead-end disaster that
extremist nationalism and partition brought to the people and island, as we
continue to strive for a common future in a renewed, reunified and free
Cyprus. So that the Cypriot people can live together in peace and create a
place of harmony and trust between the communities, in the idyllic paradise
that Cyprus ought to be. In time, this dream will become an inevitable
reality.

* I dedicate this article to the refugees of Morphou, living and departed,
who have hoped, struggled and dreamt of the day of return.



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Da Hui
2006-10-10 00:45:21 UTC
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The Tenacious Exiles: The Struggle of the People of Morphou
Didnt think you'd still be "Struggling" 33 years after getting your
cowardly little arses royally KICKED for trying to steal Cyprus for the
greeks and ethnically cleanse its indigenous Turks did you ?

Should have thought of that when you MURDERED innocent Turkish Cypriot
babies, old women and kiddies then SHOULDN'T YOU, EOKA TERRORIST CUNT ?

Cry more, facking sore LOSERS !

Boo facking Hoo !
Agamemnon
2006-10-10 00:52:48 UTC
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The Tenacious Exiles: The Struggle of the People of Morphou
Didnt think you'd still be "Struggling" 33 years after getting your
cowardly little arses royally KICKED for trying to steal Cyprus for the
greeks and ethnically cleanse its indigenous Turks did you ?
Should have thought of that when you MURDERED innocent Turkish Cypriot
babies, old women and kiddies then SHOULDN'T YOU, EOKA TERRORIST CUNT ?
YOU SICK PERVERTED LIAR !

First Report of the European Commission of Human Rights

Turkey's invasion in Cyprus and aftermath
(20 JULY 1974 - 18 MAY 1976)
Part of the Introduction
After overruling Turkey's objection the Commission of Human Rights
considered: "the evidence before the Commission and the facts established on
the basis of this evidence cannot be seen as presenting a view of the events
and incidents complained of mainly from the Greek Cypriot side. The
Commission observes in this connection that: - certain events and incidents
referred to in the applications are in great part a matter of public
knowledge. In particular, the massive movement of population from the
northern to the southern part of Cyprus after 20 July, 1974 is an
indisputable fact which, as such, calls for no particular investigation; the
Commission has based its findings in part on reports of other international
organizations, in particular the United Nations; - the witnesses heard by
the Commission's Delegation in Cyprus testified, with little exception, with
a restraint and objectivity that gave credibility to their testimony; some
of them confirmed a number of statements in the Particulars of the
Applications about which they could not have had any direct knowledge; - in
the evaluation of the evidence before it, the Commission has refrained from
drawing any conclusions from the fact that the respondent Government,
despite every opportunity being offered to them, failed to make any
statements, or to proposed counterevidence on the applicant Government's
allegations". (Report, p.31)


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a.. Killings
b.. Displacement of persons (Creating refugees)
c.. Deprivation of liberty
d.. Mass rapes
e.. Torture & inhuman treatment
f.. Deprivation of possessions, looting and wanton destruction
g.. Discrimination
h.. No remedy

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Killings
Relevant Article of the European Convention on Human Rights:

" Everyone's right to life shall be protected by law. No one shall be
deprived of his life intentionally." (Article 2)

Charge laid against Turkey:

The Turkish Army embarked upon a systematic course of mass murders of
civilians unconnected with any war activity, including women and babies in
arms, and soldiers who had surrendered.

Turkish defense:

No answer was given to these charges. Turkey boycotted the
Commission's proceedings once her jurisdictional objection was rejected.

Commission's verdict:

By 14 votes to 1 the Commission, after examining a number of killings
at specific places, held that the evidence before it constituted "strong
indications of killings committed on a substantial scale" (para.346). The
Commission concluded: " In view of the very detailed material before it on
other killings alleged by the applicant Government, the Commission, by
fourteen votes against one, concludes from the whole evidence that killings
happened on a larger scale than in Elia. There is nothing to show that any
of these deprivations of life were justified... " (Report, p.165)

Further relevant facts:

Greek National Guardsmen and civilians were killed in the field and in
bombing raids on civilian targets, including hospitals. In these raids the
Turkish Air Force used napalm. These killings were not the subject of the
application to the European Commission on Human Rights, being rather
breaches of the Geneva Conventions.

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Displacement of persons (Creating refugees)
Relevant Article of the European Convention on Human Rights:

" Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life
and his home..." (Article 8)

Charge laid against Turkey:

The Turkish Army displaced 200,000 Greek Cypriots (more than one third
of the population) from their homes. This was effected partly by physical
expulsion and partly by a systematic campaign of terror, causing Greek
Cypriots to flee in the face of Turkey's advancing armed forces. Refugees
and expellees were not permitted by the Turkish Army to return to their
homes in the Turkish occupied area.

Turkish defense:

No answer was given to these charges. Turkey boycotted the
Commission's proceedings once her jurisdictional objection was rejected.

Commission's Verdict:

" Displacement of persons:

1. The Commission concludes by thirteen votes against one that, by the
refusal to allow the return of more than 170,000 Greek Cypriot refugees to
their homes in the north of Cyprus, Turkey violated, and was continuing to
violate Art. 8 of the Convention in all these cases. When hostilities ended
some Greek Cypriots were able to return to their homes near the cease-fire
lines in areas under UN or Government control thus reducing the number of
refugees to 170,000.

2. The Commission concludes by twelve votes against one that, by the
eviction of Greek Cypriots from houses, including their homes, by their
transportation to other places within the north of Cyprus, or by their
deportation across the demarcation line, Turkey has equally violated Art. 8
of the Convention.

3. The Commission concludes by thirteen votes against one that by the
refusal to allow the return to their homes in the north of Cyprus of several
thousand Greek Cypriots who had been transferred to the south under
inter-communal agreements, Turkey violated, and was continuing to violate
Art. 8 of the Convention in all these cases.

4. The Commission concludes by fourteen votes against one with one
abstention that, by the separation of Greek Cypriot families brought about
by measures of displacement in a substantial number of cases, Turkey has
again violated Art.8 of the Convention." (Report, p.163).

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Deprivation of liberty
Relevant Article of the European Convention on Human Rights:

" No one shall be deprived of his liberty.." (Article 5)

Charge laid against Turkey:

The Turkish armed forces detained thousands of persons arbitrarily and
without lawful authority. On entering any inhabited area they immediately
rounded up all Greek Cypriot inhabitants (many women & children were hiding
in their homes). On capture men were separated and detained apart from old
people, women and children, who were either put in "concentration camps" or
expelled. On the hundreds kept in such camps small babies to old people of
90 were crowded together under atrocious conditions without sanitary
facilities at the height of summertime, when temperatures reach over 40 o C.
The worst such "concentration camps" were Voni, Marathovouno, Vitsada and
Gypsou. In addition, Turkish authorities held some 3,000 inhabitants of the
Kyrenia district in the Kyrenia Dome Hotel & in Bellapais village. Many male
Greek Cypriots were temporarily sent as "prisoners of war" to places like
Saray Prison & Pavlides Garage in the Turkish part of Nicosia, later being
transported to Turkey and detained in prisons in Adana, Amasia and Atiama.
It is notable that the great majority of those shipped to Turkey were
civilians of all ages between 17 and 70. Article 49.1 of the Geneva
Convention, 1949, Fourth Schedule, provides that: "individual or mass
forcible transfers,as well as deportations of protected persons from
occupied territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country,
occupied or not are prohibited, regardless of their motive." The transfer of
civilians to Turkey show the contempt exhibited by the Turkish Army for the
principles of international law. Turkey has never provided complete lists of
detainees and the fate of about 3,000 Greek Cypriots was unknown at the time
of the first applications to the Commission. Because evidence showed numbers
of these missing persons had been in custody in Turkey the Commission was
asked to investigate whether they were still imprisoned there.

Turkish defense:

No answer was given to these charges. Turkey boycotted the
Commission's proceedings once her jurisdictional objection was rejected.

Commission's Verdict:

" Detention centers:

1. The Commission,by thirteen votes against one, concludes that, by
the confinement of more than two thousand Greek Cypriots to detention
centres established in schools and churches at Voni, Gypsou and Morphou,
Turkey has violated Art.5(1) of the Convention.

2. The Commission by thirteen votes against one, further concludes
that, by the confinement of Greek Cypriots to private houses in Gypsou and
Morphou, where they kept under similar circumstances as in the detention
centres, Turkey has equally violated Art.5(1).

3. The Commission, by ten votes against two with two abstentions,
finally concludes that, by the CONFINEMENT of Greek Cypriots to the Kyrenia
Dome Hotel after 14 August 1974, Turkey has again violated Art.5(1).

Prisoners and detainees:

1. The Commission, by thirteen votes against one, concludes that the
detention of Greek Cypriot military personnel in Turkey was not in
conformity with Art.5(1) of the Convention.

2. The Commission, by thirteen votes against one, concluded that the
DETENTION of Greek Cypriot civilians IN Turkey was equally not in conformity
with Art.5.(1)" (Report, p.164). Evidence on missing persons: The evidence
before the Commission does not allow a definite finding with regard to the
fate of Greek Cypriots declared to be missing. This is partly due to the
fact that the Commission's Delegation was refused access to the
northern/occupied/part of Cyprus and to places in Turkey where Greek Cypriot
prisoners were or had been detained. In the present Report the Commission is
only concerned with the fate of persons declared to be missing as from the
beginning of the military action of Turkey on 20 July 1974. It is not
concerned with any person missing due to the coup d'etat which on 15 July
1974 preceded the above action... It appears, however, from the evidence
that: it is widely accepted that "a considerable number of Cypriots" are
still " missing as a result of armed conflict in Cyprus" i.e. between Turkey
and Cyprus; a number of persons declared to be missing have been identified
as Greek Cypriots taken prisoner by the Turkish army. The Commission
considers that there is a presumption of Turkish responsibility for the fate
of persons shown to have been in Turkish custody. However,on the basis of
the material before it, the Commission has been unable to ascertain whether,
and under what circumstances, Greek Cypriot prisoners declared to be missing
have been deprived of their life" (Report, paras. 347-349, and 351)

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Mass rapes
Relevant Article of the European Convention an Human Rights:

" No one shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading
treatment..." (Article 3)

Charge laid against Turkey:

Turkish troops were responsible for wholesale and repeated rapes of
women of ALL AGES from 12 to 71, sometimes to such an extent that the
victims suffered haemorrages or became mental wrecks. In some areas,
enforced prostitution was practiced, all women and girls of a village been
collected and put into separate rooms in empty houses where they were raped
repeatedly. In certain cases members of the same family were repeatedly
raped, some of them in front of their own children. In other cases women
were brutally raped in public. Rapes were on many occasions accompanied by
brutalities such as violent biting of the victims causing severe wounding,
banging their heads on the floor and wringing their throats almost to the
point OF suffocation. In some cases attempts at rape were followed by the
stabbing or killing of the victims. Victims included pregnant and mentally
retarted women.

Turkey's defense:

No answer was given to these charges and Turkey boycotted the
Commission's proceedings once her jurisdictional objection was rejected.

Commission's verdict:

" The evidence shows that rapes were committed by Turkish soldiers and
at least in two cases even by Turkish officers, and this NOT ONLY in some
isolated cases of indiscipline. It has not been shown that the Turkish
authorities took adequate measures to prevent this happening or that they
generally took any disciplinary measures following such incidents. The
Commission therefore considers that the non-prevention of the said acts is
imputable to Turkey under the Convention.

The Commission, by 12 Votes against one, finds that the incidents of
rape described in the above cases and regarded as established constitute
"inhuman treatment" in the sense of Art.3 of the Convention, which is
imputable to Turkey" (Report, paras. 373-4)

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Torture and inhuman treatment
Relevant Article of the European Convention on Human Rights:

" No one shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading
treatment..." (Article 3)

Charges laid against Turkey:

Hundreds of persons, including children, women and elderly people,
were the victims of systematic torture and SAVAGE and humiliating treatment
during their detention by the Turkish army. They were beaten; sometimes to
the extent of being incapacitated. Many were subjected to tortures such as
whipping, breaking of the teeth, knocking their heads on the wall, beating
with electrified clubs, extinction of cigarettes on their skin, jumping and
stepping on their chest and hands, pouring dirty liquids on them, piercing
them with bayonets etc. Many of these detainees were ill-treated to such an
extent that they became mental and physical wrecks. Among the persons so
treated were those deported to and imprisoned in Turkey (of whom most were
civilians). During their transportation and detention they were savagely
ill-treated, being wounded, beaten, kicked, whipped, blindfolded,
handfettered punched to the extent of bleeding, etc. These brutalities
reached their climax after the cease fire agreements and resolutions of the
U. N. Security Council calling for an end to hostilities. In fact most of
these acts were committed when Turkish armed forces were not engaged in any
war activities. More than 1,000 statements obtained from witnesses described
their ill-treatment. Such statements showed a pattern of behaviour by the
Turkish forces, proving that the atrocities were deliberate tactics which
the invading forces were to follow. The aim was to terrorise, destroy and
eradicate the Greek population of the Turkish occupied area so that it would
be vacant to move in Turks, thus creating an area populated virtually only
by Turks.

Turkey's defense:

No answer was given to these charges and Turkey boycotted the
Commission's proceedings once her jurisdictional objection was rejected.

Commission's verdict:

" The Commission by twelve votes against one,concludes that prisoners
were in a number of cases physically ill-treated by injuries and at least in
one case the death of the victim. By their severity they constitute "inhuman
treatment" and thus violations of Art.3, for which Turkey is responsible
under the Convention.

The Commission by twelve votes against one, concluded that the
withholding of an adequate supply of food and drinking water and of adequate
medical treatment from Greek Cypriot prisoners held at Adana and detainees
in the northern area of Cyprus, with the exception of Pavlides Garage &
Saray prison, again constitutes, in the cases considered as established and
in the conditions described, "inhuman treatment" and thus a violation of
Art.3, for which Turkey is responsible under the Convention" (Report,
pp.165-166) The Commission did not find sufficient evidence that prisoners
held in these two locations in the Turkish sector of Nicosia were guarded by
Turkish soldiers - as opposed to Turkish-officered Turkish Cypriot "forces"
(para. 308)

"The evidence obtained established that, in a considerable number of
cases prisoners were severely beaten or otherwise physically ill-treated by
Turkish soldiers" (Report, para.393) The Commission, by twelve votes against
one,concludes that the written statements submitted by the applicant
Government constitute indications of ill-treatment by Turkish soldiers of
persons not in detention" (Report, p.166)

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Deprivation of possessions, looting and wanton destruction
Relevant Article of the European Convention on Human Rights:

"Every natural or legal person is entitled to the peaceful enjoyment
of his possessions. No one shall be deprived of his possessions..." (Article
1 of Protocol No.1)

Charge laid against Turkey:

Greek Cypriots were deprived of their possessions either by eviction
or by seizure of movable property and its subsequent removal by Turkish
soldiers, or by conditions making abandonment of home and property the only
wise course as life and limb were at risk from the Turkish army. When
privately owned land & houses belonging to Greek Cypriots in the Turkish
occupied areas came under Turkey's control,most of this was distributed to
Turkish Cypriots and to Turks brought from Turkey to settle in those areas.
To preclude any Greek Cypriots from reclaiming their possessions,Turkish
authorities forcibly prevented their return and continued to expel most
remaining Greek Cypriots. In various official statements the Turkish
Government made it clear that Turkey was organizing marketing of all
agricultural production in the occupied area. The same applied to tourism
and Turkey took over all Greek Cypriot manufacturing industry. Goods already
manufactured & agricultural produce ready for marketing were shipped abroad
in Turkish vessels. In addition, the Turkish Army systematically looted
houses and business premises belonging to Greek Cypriots. Even properties of
those Greek Cypriots who had remained in the Turkish occupied army part not
escape this fate. Most loot was loaded into Turkish army vehicles & buses
seized from Greek Cypriots, and a substantial part, including vehicles,
animals, household goods,and building equipment, was transported by Turkish
naval vessels to the mainland. The Turkish Army also engaged in wanton
destruction. Turkish soldiers attempted to burn down all buildings along
"the green line" in Nicosia, and orchards and crops belonging to Greek
Cypriots were set on fire after cessation of hostilities. Witnesses also
described breaking of doors and windows of houses, the smashing of furniture
icons, candles and other church property and killing of animals. The
destruction of Christian & Hellenic monuments was a significant feature of
Turkey's occupation. Religious property was a particular target in an
attempt to destroy the cultural identity of the occupied area. Not only were
religious items & church equipment smashed, set on fire or looted, but most
Greek Orthodox churches not converted into mosques were vandalized. Mosaics
and even frescos were either defaced or removed. This occurred in military
zones under control of the Turkish Army and from which Turkish Cypriots were
excluded. Even archaeological museums and sites did not escape vandalisation
and initial looting.

Turkey's defense:

No answer was given to these charges and Turkey boycotted the
Commission's proceedings once her jurisdictional objection was rejected.

Commission's verdict:

"The Commission accepted that the 170,000 Greek Cypriots displaced
from the occupied area had left behind their movable & immovable possessions
and referred to "the established fact that these displaced persons are not
allowed to return to their homes in the north, and thus to property left
there" (Report para.471)

The Commission went on to find "proof of taking and occupation of
houses and land by Turkish Cypriots and Turks from the mainland, both
military personnel and civilians" (Report para. 472) Moreover the Commission
accepted " testimony as proving beyond reasonable doubt that looting and
robbery on an extensive scale by Turkish troops and Turkish Cypriots have
taken place... As regards such deprivations of possessions by Turkish
Cypriots, the Commission considers that, insofar as the persons committing
them were acting under the direct order or authority of the Turkish forces
of which there is evidence, the deprivation must equally be imputed to
Turkey under the Convention..."

The Commission, by 12 votes against one, finds it established that
there has been deprivation of possesions of Greek Cypriots on a large scale,
the exact extent of which could not be determined. This deprivation must be
imputed to Turkey under the Convention and it has not been shown that any of
these interferences were necessary for any of the purposes mentioned in
Article 1 of Protocol No.1" (Report, paras 472-486)

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Discrimination
Relevant Article of the European Convention on Human Rights:

"The enjoyment of the rights and freedoms set forth in this Convention
shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such... as race, ...
language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin,
association with a national minority... or other status" (Article 14)

Charge laid against Turkey:

The acts of the Turkish Army were exclusively directed against the
Greek Cypriot community with the object of destroying and, eradicating the
Greek population of the Turkish occupied area so as to move therein Turks,
thereby artificially creating a Turkish populated area. All Turkey's
atrocities were directed against Greek Cypriots (though some foreign
subjects who happened to be or have property in the Turkish occupied area
were also affected by some such acts e.g. looting and wanton destruction of
property).

Turkish defense:

No answer was given to these charges and Turkey boycotted the
Commissions proceedings once her jurisdictional objection had been rejected.

Commission's Verdict:

" The Commission has found violations of a number of Articles of the
Convention. It notes that the acts violating the Convention were exclusively
directed against members of one of the two communities in Cyprus, namely the
Greek Cypriot community. The Commission concludes by eleven votes to three
that Turkey has thus failed to secure the rights and freedoms set forth in
these Articles without discrimination on the grounds of ethnic origin, race
and religion as required by Art.14 of the Convention (Report, para. 503)

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No remedy
Relevant Article of the European Convention on Human Rights:

" Everyone whose rights and freedoms as set forth in this Convention
are violated shall have an effective remedy..." (Article 13)

Charge laid against Turkey:

None of the victims of the ruthless and evil deeds by Turkish State
organs and her Armed Forces was ever given any opportunity to vindicate his
rights before an authority or tribunal as provided by Articles 6 and 13 of
the Convention. Persons under Turkish control were not even permitted to
talk without Turkish supervision to the International Red Cross. In short,
no effective remedy of any kind was afforded either in the Turkish occupied
area or in Turkey itself in respect of Turkish atrocities.

Turkish defense:

In its jurisdictional objection, Turkey argued that remedies were
availale before the competent judicial authorities in Turkey or before the
military courts of the Turkish forces in Cyprus.

Commission's findings:

The Commission held that such remedies had not been shown to be
"practicable and normally functioning". Nor had it been established that
such complaints could be effectively handled. (Admissibility Report, at p.
22 of the Report). The Commission at the hearing on the merits reiterated
that it had found no evidence that effective and suficient remedies were
available. (Report, paras. 499-501)





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Da Hui
2006-10-10 01:01:04 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Post by Da Hui
Post by Agamemnon
The Tenacious Exiles: The Struggle of the People of Morphou
Didnt think you'd still be "Struggling" 33 years after getting your
cowardly little arses royally KICKED for trying to steal Cyprus for the
greeks and ethnically cleanse its indigenous Turks did you ?
Should have thought of that when you MURDERED innocent Turkish Cypriot
babies, old women and kiddies then SHOULDN'T YOU, EOKA TERRORIST CUNT ?
YOU SICK PERVERTED LIAR !
Bwaaaaaave wickle gweek Cypwiot arent we Argywos !!!


I DARE YOU to come here and say that to my face Argyrou you idiotic
freak of nature

I FACKING DARE YOU you snivelling slimy toad

Or do I have to visit you at 26 St Michaels Ave instead ?

Cowardly EOKA terrorist CUNT !
Panta Rhei
2006-10-10 01:11:43 UTC
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Post by Da Hui
I DARE YOU
I FACKING DARE YOU
Or
A true, ridiculous psychopath! Yes it's obvious! ... and an asshole, of
course! Hahahahaaaaaaa....

F'up to alt.asshole.sean-ruttledge
--
Living the life of a ridiculed, bitchslapped loony on usenet helps Sean
Ruttledge forget the failures in his life.
Panta Rhei
2006-10-10 01:01:15 UTC
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Da Hui, a full-blown psychopath, as you can see, writes:

<snip all the usual sick crap>

"Indigenous Turks" in Cyprus you say? Off with you to your asshole group,
asshole, where you are indigenous!

F'up to alt.asshole.sean-ruttledge
--
If stupidity had financial value you'd be stinking rich, Sean Ruttledge.
choro-nik
2006-10-10 02:58:34 UTC
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Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his village in
South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed in his own
house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my father's name.
And that was way back in the late 70s.

Now what have you got to say to THAT?!

You can't eat your cake and have it too, you know.
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Agamemnon
The Tenacious Exiles: The Struggle of the People of Morphou to Return
By Steven Katsineris
Al-Jazeerah, October 9, 2006
"We live and breathe with one hope and one dream: to return to Morphou.
Even the young people who never saw Morphou live with this dream. The town
of Morphou exists for our children because we have told them about it. My
daughter knows everything about it through the pictures, videos and
stories of her grandparents. She knows all about the orchards we had in
Morphou." Charalambos Pittas Mayor of the Turkish-occupied town of
Morphou, Cyprus.
Morphou is located in the northwestern part of Cyprus, 30 miles from the
capital Nicosia. The Plain of Morphou is one of the richest and most
fertile areas of Cyprus and Morphou soon grew into a significant market
town. Due to the abundance of underground water and irrigation agriculture
developed quickly in the area, with a variety of crops grown including
apples, vegetables, legumes, grains, taro, sesame, melons and citrus. Over
time there was a large increase in the cultivation of citrus. Morphou
became the main center of citrus growing in Cyprus and famous for its
orange, lemon and grapefruit orchards. In 1974 Morphou and the surrounding
villages produced 51% of the citrus fruit grown in Cyprus. The inhabitants
of Morphou founded the Cooperative Organization Disposal Citrus Morphou
(SODEM) to promote Cypriot citrus abroad. The cooperative also built a
plant that canned juices.
The name Morphou (meaning beautiful place) dates back to ancient times and
is associated with the Goddess Aphrodite (the goddess of love and beauty).
The Lacones or Spartans originally settled Morphou and they brought with
them the worship of Aphrodite and named the town after her beauty. Near
Morphou lie the ruins of the ancient city of Soloi, one of the ten ancient
kingdoms of Cyprus. Numerous archaeological discoveries have been made
around Morphou reinforcing the connection to the cult of Aphrodite,
including the statue named the Aphrodite of Soloi.
Under British rule, in 1896, Morphou was established as a municipality.
Before the Turkish invasion, Morphou had a mainly Greek Cypriot population
of about 9,000 people. On August 16, 1974 Morphou and the adjacent area
were occupied by Turkish troops and its people were forcibly expelled or
fled from the town. Since then the displaced Greek Cypriot residents have
been forbidden to return to their homes and orchards. The Morphou Town
Council has since been based in Limmasol on the south coast. The Turkish
invasion of northern Cyprus in the summer of 1974 left 200,000 refugees,
thousands dead and hundreds missing. Of the 1,618 missing persons 140 of
them came from the Morphou region.
Turkish-Occupied Morphou.
"My country, the small island of Cyprus has been under occupation since
August 1974, when Turkey invaded and forcefully occupied 38% of our land.
Part of this occupied land is my town, the town of Morphou, of which I am
currently the mayor in exile." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor of Morphou.
Due to the Turkish army's military onslaught the Greek Cypriots
inhabitants of Morphou were forced to abandon their homes and properties.
After the Turkish forces captured Morphou the empty houses were allocated
to Turkish Cypriot refugees and later arriving settlers from Turkey.
Morphou's name was changed to Guzelyurt (in Turkish meaning beautiful
country). At present the population of Morphou is about 12,000 of which
about 500 are its original Turkish Cypriot inhabitants, some Turkish
Cypriots from the government controlled south of Cyprus and thousands of
Turkish settlers.
The once lovely town is now fairly bleak and dilapidated, with most houses
in poor condition or rundown decaying ruins. Since 1974 the majority of
Morphou's inhabitants have not bothered to paint or repair the houses
because the Turkish authorities have not encouraged the town as a feasible
long-term settlement. Morphou has always been viewed as a region to be
traded or conceded in the event of a partial settlement or some sort of
resolution to the Cyprus problem. While the people now living in Morphou
have felt transitory they have been afraid to construct new dwellings or
properly maintain the homes they live in. Many of the older houses are
built of mud brick, which is suited to the hot Cypriot climate, but over
time without good maintenance water seeps in and the bricks turn to sludge
and the houses begin to fall apart. Many of the people are also
unemployed, poor and unable to afford repairs. The families of the region
even bury their dead in cemeteries in Nicosia rather than in the Morphou
area. There is an atmosphere of doubt, depression and hopelessness among
the residents.
Most of Morphou's Turkish Cypriots Want a Settlement.
"We need to get a solution. We need to do something about this.we just
want peace. We are literally prisoners-our only crime is to be Turkish
Cypriots. Our occupiers are turning against us. Now they want to occupy us
forever." Doganci village farmer (Morphou region) Etem Tabak, from the
Doganci Peace Movement.
Many of the Turkish Cypriot residents of Morphou and nearby Zodia village
have been actively involved in demonstrations in support of a Cyprus
settlement. While some Turkish Cypriots and Turkish settlers are concerned
about the impact of any territorial adjustments or of living in mixed
communities again, others are eager about the prospects of a unified
Cyprus and of welcoming back Greek Cypriots to the Morphou district. For
instance, the 1,500 Turkish Cypriot residents of Doganci village have been
very active, organizing many peace rallies, street marches and other
protests. Despite police arrests of organizers and speakers the villagers
have continued to remain defiant. The village coffee shop is the vocal
point for political debate and planning demonstrations. The villagers also
gather to hear local bands playing. The most popular song in the village
is, "Cyprus is our prison and we are the prisoners. The Line is the prison
bar and Denktash is the guard."
In the last Turkish Cypriot elections in December 2003, over 54% of the
population of the area voted for pro-settlement parties, like the Peace
and Democracy Movement, the Republican Turkish Party and the Settlement
and EU Party, knowing that they would be the most affected by any
settlement, since the region would be given back to the Cyprus government
if the Annan Plan was accepted. Mustafa Akinci, leader of the Peace and
Democracy Movement said, "I believe the first input the Cypriot Turk would
receive from a settlement would to eliminate uncertainty.We just mentioned
Guzelyurt.They were neglecting the maintenance of their houses because
there was uncertainty. On every map, discussion of their area was included
in the territory to be handed over to the Cypriot Greeks."
While territorial adjustments would allow most of Morphou's Greek Cypriot
residents to return, the vast majority of Cypriots, Greek and Turkish
alike want a viable, comprehensible and lasting settlement to the division
of Cyprus that will let them live together in a united Cyprus. Territorial
changes in the Turkish-occupied north that hand over the Morphou region to
the free areas of the Republic of Cyprus are not a real and durable
solution to the Cyprus problem.
The Steadfast Refugees of Morphou Fight to Return and Reunite Cyprus.
"We want to make it clear to all directions that the people of Morphou and
residents of the wider Morphou area will not, under no circumstances,
accept the fait accompli of the invasion.their vision is to be able to
live in a free island without any dividing lines or occupation troops and
enjoy the advantages of the EU together with our Turkish Cypriot
compatriots." Resolution by the Morphou Municipality on the anniversary of
the occupation of the town, August 2003.
Since the occupation of Morphou, its people have become an active part of
the Cypriot opposition to Turkish occupation and a vital focus of
international attention to the Cyprus struggle for justice through their
organizing of various actions including, protest marches, press
statements, resolutions, Friends of Morphou groups and the Annual Morphou
Rally in October each year. These efforts stress their continued
determination to seek peace, a just and viable settlement and the
reunification of Cyprus.
On the 29th anniversary of the occupation of the town Morphou refugees in
a resolution reiterated their call for a united Cyprus and a solution that
safeguards the three fundamental freedoms of movement, property and
settlement, establish the fate of all the missing persons and implements
the 3rd Vienna agreement concerning the rights of the enclaved Greek
Cypriots living in occupied Cyprus.
Morphou Mayor Charalambos Pittas who was accompanied by the town's
municipality and three M.P.'s handed the resolution to Cyprus President
Tassos Papadopoulos and the embassies of the five permanent members of the
UN security Council. Pittas told the Cyprus News Agency that in the
resolution "we express our position that 29 years of Turkish invasion and
occupation are unacceptable, just as the current situation in Cyprus is
unacceptable too."
The resolution asked the governments of the five permanent members of the
Security Council "to exert pressure on Turkey and to work towards a just
and viable solution to the Cyprus problem which should guarantee a single
sovereignty, territorial unity and the integrity of the Republic of
Cyprus, the withdrawal of all Turkish troops and settlers and the return
of all refugees to their homes and properties."
The Morphou Rally.
"I found one thing particularly touching. After the Morphou rally I went
to the UN open day at the Ledra Palace Hotel and while I was there I met
two people from Morphou who I had seen at the rally. They were friends. At
this bi-communal event I also met two Turkish Cypriots who were living in
their houses in Morphou. The process is obviously painful, but they were
able to discuss the matter in a sensible way and to recognize the
realities of both sides. One of the Turkish Cypriots was herself a refugee
from Limassol. She would like to return to her home, should a settlement
permit that." Andrew Dismore, Labour MP.
Each year hundreds of Morphou refugees, joined by Cypriot, Greek, British,
Euro MP's, leaders of The Friends of Morphou and Friends of Cyprus and
other political and religious delegates from around the world hold an
annual rally at the Green Line in early October to show solidarity with
the people of Morphou, to protest the continuing Turkish occupation of
northern Cyprus and demand a solution to the division of Cyprus. Many
politicians attend the rally to express their support for Morphou,
including Andrew Dismore, Labour MP, Theresa Villiers, Conservative MEP,
Eric Clarke, Labour MP, the Mayor of Barnet, Cllr Joan, and Barnet Cllr
Victor Lyon among others. The Barnett Council of London became a twin town
to Morphou in 1995 to further goodwill between the communities and show
support for those Greek Cypriots who have been forced to live in exile.
Speaking at the rally, Theresa Villiers- Conservative MEP for London said,
"It is always a great pleasure to visit Cyprus and meet the Cypriot
people, I am always especially pleased to be invited to go to the Morphou
Rally.It is an honor to have been asked by the displaced residents of
Morphou.It is unacceptable that these people were driven from their homes
and still cannot return after thirty years. Morphou's twinning with
Barnett- part of my own European constituency-gives me special concern on
this issue. I will continue to campaign for a just solution to the Cyprus
problem, creating a free and united Cyprus. I will also campaign for the
residents of Morphou to be able to return to their homes."
Addressing politicians and hundreds of Morphou refugees at the Green Line,
Councillor Lyon said, "It is a moving experience to be so close to the
border and see the line dividing a nation. We must hope that the way is
now clear for an end to the problem for the benefit of all the people of
Cyprus."
The Search for a Brighter Future in a Reunified Cyprus.
"The Cypriot struggle, the struggle conducted by the people of Morphou, is
a struggle for the rights of all nations around the world for safeguarding
the principles of international law and human rights which are so severely
violated in my country by the Turkish army and Turkish leadership.Through
all I have said I wish to underline my love for the land I was born in,
our love for our occupied town of Morphou and our determination to
continue our fight." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor of Morphou, speech at the
Mayors for Peace Forum, January 16, 2003.
Despite the obstacles, strenuous efforts are continuing to find a solution
to the division of Cyprus and progress is being made. The 2003 opening of
barriers on the Green Line has led to increased cracks in the wall of
division and greater trust between the two communities and raised hopes of
a settlement of the conflict. Morphou refugees felt excited and overjoyed
about the prospect of going home after 30 years of exile if the
Turkish-occupied town was returned to the Republic of Cyprus'
administration as proposed in the various UN peace plans, including the
Annan Plan. But they also expressed their disapproval of any plan that
ignored the right of all the refugees to return to their homes and
reunification of the island.
Expressing the popular sentiment of most Cypriots Morphou Mayor
Charalambos Pittas said he firmly believed that all the refugees must be
allowed to return to their homes, regardless of which side ultimately
controlled each town. Like most of Morphou's refugees Pittas is
enthusiastic to return to the families' house they left in 1974, but he
doesn't want to visit his birthplace as a tourist. He wants to return to
his home for good and is prepared to wait a little longer to achieve that
aim. While the talks go on among the leaders, the bi-communal contacts
between the two communities continue to develop.
When relatives of Charalambos Pittas visited his home for him, they were
given an old photo album and other personal items that the Turkish Cypriot
occupants of his property had saved for his family. There have been many
similar examples of acts of genuine goodwill and friendliness between the
ordinary people from both communities. While Mayor Pittas has never met or
spoken to retired Turkish Cypriot geography teacher Aktan Imamzade, he
says that he feels no anger towards him. "I'm sure the same as when I was
moved from my house.He has told my relatives that he is looking after the
house. He does not regard himself as the owner. I have a good feeling
about him. And he has given my relatives the opportunity to go inside the
house and take photos."
"We have to put behind us the past that separates us and look into the
future that unites us. The people of Cyprus, Greek-Cypriots and
Turkish-Cypriots, must live together in a state that respects and secures
all human rights and basic freedoms. Freedom of movement, freedom of
residence and property need to occur.Our children have the right and we
have the obligation to offer our children a reunited and prosperous
Cyprus. Our strong belief is that the communities in Cyprus, Greek
Cypriots.Turkish Cypriots, Maronites, Armenians and Latins should live in
condition of security, prosperity, respect and mutual understanding in a
reunited Cyprus.We seek a state of law for all Cypriot people irrespective
of language, religion, colour or nationality." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor
of Morphou.
One day the displaced people of Morphou will return home permanently, to
live once again in the midst of the fragrant orange blossom atmosphere of
Morphou. Things will never be the same, but in time a new generation will
rebuild the broken lives, communities and buildings that conflict and
division shattered. And may we always remember the dead-end disaster that
extremist nationalism and partition brought to the people and island, as
we continue to strive for a common future in a renewed, reunified and free
Cyprus. So that the Cypriot people can live together in peace and create a
place of harmony and trust between the communities, in the idyllic
paradise that Cyprus ought to be. In time, this dream will become an
inevitable reality.
* I dedicate this article to the refugees of Morphou, living and departed,
who have hoped, struggled and dreamt of the day of return.
http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2006%20Opinion%20Editorials/October/9%20o/The%20Tenacious%20Exiles%20The%20Struggle%20of%20the%20People%20of%20Morphou%20to%20Return%20By%20Steven%20Katsineris.htm
Agamemnon
2006-10-10 06:28:14 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his village
in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed in his own
house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my father's
name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Your fathers house was burned down by the Turkish state sponsored TMT
terrorists organisation so how can he go back to a ruin or are you lying
again as usual ?
Post by choro-nik
Now what have you got to say to THAT?!
You have only Turkey to blame.

Why don't you demand that all Turkish troops and colonists are removed from
Cyprus soil so that all the Greek Cypriot refugees can return to their homes
including over 150,000 who are still being housed in refugee camps in
abandoned Turkish Cypriot villages, or do you want to drive them into the
sea like you did with over 300,000 Greeks who you exterminated in Smyrna ?
Post by choro-nik
You can't eat your cake and have it too, you know.
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Agamemnon
The Tenacious Exiles: The Struggle of the People of Morphou to Return
By Steven Katsineris
Al-Jazeerah, October 9, 2006
"We live and breathe with one hope and one dream: to return to Morphou.
Even the young people who never saw Morphou live with this dream. The
town of Morphou exists for our children because we have told them about
it. My daughter knows everything about it through the pictures, videos
and stories of her grandparents. She knows all about the orchards we had
in Morphou." Charalambos Pittas Mayor of the Turkish-occupied town of
Morphou, Cyprus.
Morphou is located in the northwestern part of Cyprus, 30 miles from the
capital Nicosia. The Plain of Morphou is one of the richest and most
fertile areas of Cyprus and Morphou soon grew into a significant market
town. Due to the abundance of underground water and irrigation
agriculture developed quickly in the area, with a variety of crops grown
including apples, vegetables, legumes, grains, taro, sesame, melons and
citrus. Over time there was a large increase in the cultivation of
citrus. Morphou became the main center of citrus growing in Cyprus and
famous for its orange, lemon and grapefruit orchards. In 1974 Morphou and
the surrounding villages produced 51% of the citrus fruit grown in
Cyprus. The inhabitants of Morphou founded the Cooperative Organization
Disposal Citrus Morphou (SODEM) to promote Cypriot citrus abroad. The
cooperative also built a plant that canned juices.
The name Morphou (meaning beautiful place) dates back to ancient times
and is associated with the Goddess Aphrodite (the goddess of love and
beauty). The Lacones or Spartans originally settled Morphou and they
brought with them the worship of Aphrodite and named the town after her
beauty. Near Morphou lie the ruins of the ancient city of Soloi, one of
the ten ancient kingdoms of Cyprus. Numerous archaeological discoveries
have been made around Morphou reinforcing the connection to the cult of
Aphrodite, including the statue named the Aphrodite of Soloi.
Under British rule, in 1896, Morphou was established as a municipality.
Before the Turkish invasion, Morphou had a mainly Greek Cypriot
population of about 9,000 people. On August 16, 1974 Morphou and the
adjacent area were occupied by Turkish troops and its people were
forcibly expelled or fled from the town. Since then the displaced Greek
Cypriot residents have been forbidden to return to their homes and
orchards. The Morphou Town Council has since been based in Limmasol on
the south coast. The Turkish invasion of northern Cyprus in the summer of
1974 left 200,000 refugees, thousands dead and hundreds missing. Of the
1,618 missing persons 140 of them came from the Morphou region.
Turkish-Occupied Morphou.
"My country, the small island of Cyprus has been under occupation since
August 1974, when Turkey invaded and forcefully occupied 38% of our land.
Part of this occupied land is my town, the town of Morphou, of which I am
currently the mayor in exile." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor of Morphou.
Due to the Turkish army's military onslaught the Greek Cypriots
inhabitants of Morphou were forced to abandon their homes and properties.
After the Turkish forces captured Morphou the empty houses were allocated
to Turkish Cypriot refugees and later arriving settlers from Turkey.
Morphou's name was changed to Guzelyurt (in Turkish meaning beautiful
country). At present the population of Morphou is about 12,000 of which
about 500 are its original Turkish Cypriot inhabitants, some Turkish
Cypriots from the government controlled south of Cyprus and thousands of
Turkish settlers.
The once lovely town is now fairly bleak and dilapidated, with most
houses in poor condition or rundown decaying ruins. Since 1974 the
majority of Morphou's inhabitants have not bothered to paint or repair
the houses because the Turkish authorities have not encouraged the town
as a feasible long-term settlement. Morphou has always been viewed as a
region to be traded or conceded in the event of a partial settlement or
some sort of resolution to the Cyprus problem. While the people now
living in Morphou have felt transitory they have been afraid to construct
new dwellings or properly maintain the homes they live in. Many of the
older houses are built of mud brick, which is suited to the hot Cypriot
climate, but over time without good maintenance water seeps in and the
bricks turn to sludge and the houses begin to fall apart. Many of the
people are also unemployed, poor and unable to afford repairs. The
families of the region even bury their dead in cemeteries in Nicosia
rather than in the Morphou area. There is an atmosphere of doubt,
depression and hopelessness among the residents.
Most of Morphou's Turkish Cypriots Want a Settlement.
"We need to get a solution. We need to do something about this.we just
want peace. We are literally prisoners-our only crime is to be Turkish
Cypriots. Our occupiers are turning against us. Now they want to occupy
us forever." Doganci village farmer (Morphou region) Etem Tabak, from the
Doganci Peace Movement.
Many of the Turkish Cypriot residents of Morphou and nearby Zodia village
have been actively involved in demonstrations in support of a Cyprus
settlement. While some Turkish Cypriots and Turkish settlers are
concerned about the impact of any territorial adjustments or of living in
mixed communities again, others are eager about the prospects of a
unified Cyprus and of welcoming back Greek Cypriots to the Morphou
district. For instance, the 1,500 Turkish Cypriot residents of Doganci
village have been very active, organizing many peace rallies, street
marches and other protests. Despite police arrests of organizers and
speakers the villagers have continued to remain defiant. The village
coffee shop is the vocal point for political debate and planning
demonstrations. The villagers also gather to hear local bands playing.
The most popular song in the village is, "Cyprus is our prison and we are
the prisoners. The Line is the prison bar and Denktash is the guard."
In the last Turkish Cypriot elections in December 2003, over 54% of the
population of the area voted for pro-settlement parties, like the Peace
and Democracy Movement, the Republican Turkish Party and the Settlement
and EU Party, knowing that they would be the most affected by any
settlement, since the region would be given back to the Cyprus government
if the Annan Plan was accepted. Mustafa Akinci, leader of the Peace and
Democracy Movement said, "I believe the first input the Cypriot Turk
would receive from a settlement would to eliminate uncertainty.We just
mentioned Guzelyurt.They were neglecting the maintenance of their houses
because there was uncertainty. On every map, discussion of their area was
included in the territory to be handed over to the Cypriot Greeks."
While territorial adjustments would allow most of Morphou's Greek Cypriot
residents to return, the vast majority of Cypriots, Greek and Turkish
alike want a viable, comprehensible and lasting settlement to the
division of Cyprus that will let them live together in a united Cyprus.
Territorial changes in the Turkish-occupied north that hand over the
Morphou region to the free areas of the Republic of Cyprus are not a real
and durable solution to the Cyprus problem.
The Steadfast Refugees of Morphou Fight to Return and Reunite Cyprus.
"We want to make it clear to all directions that the people of Morphou
and residents of the wider Morphou area will not, under no circumstances,
accept the fait accompli of the invasion.their vision is to be able to
live in a free island without any dividing lines or occupation troops and
enjoy the advantages of the EU together with our Turkish Cypriot
compatriots." Resolution by the Morphou Municipality on the anniversary
of the occupation of the town, August 2003.
Since the occupation of Morphou, its people have become an active part of
the Cypriot opposition to Turkish occupation and a vital focus of
international attention to the Cyprus struggle for justice through their
organizing of various actions including, protest marches, press
statements, resolutions, Friends of Morphou groups and the Annual Morphou
Rally in October each year. These efforts stress their continued
determination to seek peace, a just and viable settlement and the
reunification of Cyprus.
On the 29th anniversary of the occupation of the town Morphou refugees in
a resolution reiterated their call for a united Cyprus and a solution
that safeguards the three fundamental freedoms of movement, property and
settlement, establish the fate of all the missing persons and implements
the 3rd Vienna agreement concerning the rights of the enclaved Greek
Cypriots living in occupied Cyprus.
Morphou Mayor Charalambos Pittas who was accompanied by the town's
municipality and three M.P.'s handed the resolution to Cyprus President
Tassos Papadopoulos and the embassies of the five permanent members of
the UN security Council. Pittas told the Cyprus News Agency that in the
resolution "we express our position that 29 years of Turkish invasion and
occupation are unacceptable, just as the current situation in Cyprus is
unacceptable too."
The resolution asked the governments of the five permanent members of the
Security Council "to exert pressure on Turkey and to work towards a just
and viable solution to the Cyprus problem which should guarantee a single
sovereignty, territorial unity and the integrity of the Republic of
Cyprus, the withdrawal of all Turkish troops and settlers and the return
of all refugees to their homes and properties."
The Morphou Rally.
"I found one thing particularly touching. After the Morphou rally I went
to the UN open day at the Ledra Palace Hotel and while I was there I met
two people from Morphou who I had seen at the rally. They were friends.
At this bi-communal event I also met two Turkish Cypriots who were living
in their houses in Morphou. The process is obviously painful, but they
were able to discuss the matter in a sensible way and to recognize the
realities of both sides. One of the Turkish Cypriots was herself a
refugee from Limassol. She would like to return to her home, should a
settlement permit that." Andrew Dismore, Labour MP.
Each year hundreds of Morphou refugees, joined by Cypriot, Greek,
British, Euro MP's, leaders of The Friends of Morphou and Friends of
Cyprus and other political and religious delegates from around the world
hold an annual rally at the Green Line in early October to show
solidarity with the people of Morphou, to protest the continuing Turkish
occupation of northern Cyprus and demand a solution to the division of
Cyprus. Many politicians attend the rally to express their support for
Morphou, including Andrew Dismore, Labour MP, Theresa Villiers,
Conservative MEP, Eric Clarke, Labour MP, the Mayor of Barnet, Cllr Joan,
and Barnet Cllr Victor Lyon among others. The Barnett Council of London
became a twin town to Morphou in 1995 to further goodwill between the
communities and show support for those Greek Cypriots who have been
forced to live in exile.
Speaking at the rally, Theresa Villiers- Conservative MEP for London
said, "It is always a great pleasure to visit Cyprus and meet the Cypriot
people, I am always especially pleased to be invited to go to the Morphou
Rally.It is an honor to have been asked by the displaced residents of
Morphou.It is unacceptable that these people were driven from their homes
and still cannot return after thirty years. Morphou's twinning with
Barnett- part of my own European constituency-gives me special concern on
this issue. I will continue to campaign for a just solution to the Cyprus
problem, creating a free and united Cyprus. I will also campaign for the
residents of Morphou to be able to return to their homes."
Addressing politicians and hundreds of Morphou refugees at the Green
Line, Councillor Lyon said, "It is a moving experience to be so close to
the border and see the line dividing a nation. We must hope that the way
is now clear for an end to the problem for the benefit of all the people
of Cyprus."
The Search for a Brighter Future in a Reunified Cyprus.
"The Cypriot struggle, the struggle conducted by the people of Morphou,
is a struggle for the rights of all nations around the world for
safeguarding the principles of international law and human rights which
are so severely violated in my country by the Turkish army and Turkish
leadership.Through all I have said I wish to underline my love for the
land I was born in, our love for our occupied town of Morphou and our
determination to continue our fight." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor of
Morphou, speech at the Mayors for Peace Forum, January 16, 2003.
Despite the obstacles, strenuous efforts are continuing to find a
solution to the division of Cyprus and progress is being made. The 2003
opening of barriers on the Green Line has led to increased cracks in the
wall of division and greater trust between the two communities and raised
hopes of a settlement of the conflict. Morphou refugees felt excited and
overjoyed about the prospect of going home after 30 years of exile if the
Turkish-occupied town was returned to the Republic of Cyprus'
administration as proposed in the various UN peace plans, including the
Annan Plan. But they also expressed their disapproval of any plan that
ignored the right of all the refugees to return to their homes and
reunification of the island.
Expressing the popular sentiment of most Cypriots Morphou Mayor
Charalambos Pittas said he firmly believed that all the refugees must be
allowed to return to their homes, regardless of which side ultimately
controlled each town. Like most of Morphou's refugees Pittas is
enthusiastic to return to the families' house they left in 1974, but he
doesn't want to visit his birthplace as a tourist. He wants to return to
his home for good and is prepared to wait a little longer to achieve that
aim. While the talks go on among the leaders, the bi-communal contacts
between the two communities continue to develop.
When relatives of Charalambos Pittas visited his home for him, they were
given an old photo album and other personal items that the Turkish
Cypriot occupants of his property had saved for his family. There have
been many similar examples of acts of genuine goodwill and friendliness
between the ordinary people from both communities. While Mayor Pittas has
never met or spoken to retired Turkish Cypriot geography teacher Aktan
Imamzade, he says that he feels no anger towards him. "I'm sure the same
as when I was moved from my house.He has told my relatives that he is
looking after the house. He does not regard himself as the owner. I have
a good feeling about him. And he has given my relatives the opportunity
to go inside the house and take photos."
"We have to put behind us the past that separates us and look into the
future that unites us. The people of Cyprus, Greek-Cypriots and
Turkish-Cypriots, must live together in a state that respects and secures
all human rights and basic freedoms. Freedom of movement, freedom of
residence and property need to occur.Our children have the right and we
have the obligation to offer our children a reunited and prosperous
Cyprus. Our strong belief is that the communities in Cyprus, Greek
Cypriots.Turkish Cypriots, Maronites, Armenians and Latins should live in
condition of security, prosperity, respect and mutual understanding in a
reunited Cyprus.We seek a state of law for all Cypriot people
irrespective of language, religion, colour or nationality." Charalambos
Pittas, Mayor of Morphou.
One day the displaced people of Morphou will return home permanently, to
live once again in the midst of the fragrant orange blossom atmosphere of
Morphou. Things will never be the same, but in time a new generation will
rebuild the broken lives, communities and buildings that conflict and
division shattered. And may we always remember the dead-end disaster that
extremist nationalism and partition brought to the people and island, as
we continue to strive for a common future in a renewed, reunified and
free Cyprus. So that the Cypriot people can live together in peace and
create a place of harmony and trust between the communities, in the
idyllic paradise that Cyprus ought to be. In time, this dream will become
an inevitable reality.
* I dedicate this article to the refugees of Morphou, living and
departed, who have hoped, struggled and dreamt of the day of return.
http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2006%20Opinion%20Editorials/October/9%20o/The%20Tenacious%20Exiles%20The%20Struggle%20of%20the%20People%20of%20Morphou%20to%20Return%20By%20Steven%20Katsineris.htm
ﻡжiЯפ Я ©®@ρ
2006-10-10 10:34:51 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his village
in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed in his own
house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my father's
name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Your fathers house was burned down by the Turkish state sponsored TMT
terrorists organisation so how can he go back to a ruin or are you lying
again as usual ?
Post by choro-nik
Now what have you got to say to THAT?!
You have only Turkey to blame.
Following *that* rationale, you bleating gweek Cypwiot "victims" have
only Gweece to blame then, cuts both ways doesn't it, ARSEHOLE !
Post by Agamemnon
Why don't you demand that all Turkish troops and colonists are removed from
Cyprus soil so that all the Greek Cypriot refugees can return to their homes
including over 150,000 who are still being housed in refugee camps in
I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT WHAT YOU FALSELY CALL "REFUGEE CAMPS" ARE
TURKISH CYPRIOT VILLAGES WHO'S PROPERTIES WERE STOLEN BY GREEKS AND
WHOS TURKISH INHABITANTS WERE MURDERED BY GREEK CYPRIOT EOKA TERRORISTS
! cuts both ways doesn't it, ARSEHOLE !
Post by Agamemnon
abandoned Turkish Cypriot villages
"Abandoned" ? "Abandoned" only after you had MURDERED every unarmed
Turkish man woman & child in them, and hurriedly buried their corpses
in mass graves
Post by Agamemnon
sea like you did with over 300,000 Greeks who you exterminated in Smyrna ?
I think you'll find it is the genocidal Greek coastguard that abandons
large groups of human beings at sea in order to sadistically watch them
drown

SPIEGEL ONLINE - September 28, 2006, 03:37 PM
URL: http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,439761,00.html

Drowning in the Aegean
Greece Denies Dumping Illegal Immigrants into the Sea
Illegal migrants rescued by the Turkish Coast Guard in the Aegean Sea
claimed Greek officials had thrown them overboard. If their story is
true, it's an international scandal. It also calls attention to another
hotspot for immigrants trying to reach Europe.


A group of illegal migrants were rescued off the Turkish coast on
Tuesday morning.
Greek authorities have denied knowledge of an alleged incident in which
Greek officials threw illegal immigrants into the Aegean Sea off the
coast of Turkey. On Tuesday morning, some 31 illegals were plucked out
of the sea near the Turkish coastal city of Izmir. They claimed that
the Greek Coast Guard had thrown them into the water. They did so, said
one survivor, "without even asking if we could swim," according to
Turkey's state-owned Anatolia news agency. Six people have reportedly
drowned; three are missing.

Greek officials denied the charges in general terms. "We never throw
people into the sea," said Haris Bournias, a Greek Coast Guard
commander on the island of Chios. Turkey's coastline is a major transit
area for illegal immigrants trying to reach Europe, and Bournias said
smugglers regularly set immigrants adrift in little boats without
lights. "Many people drown that way in the straits," said Bournias, and
in fact early reports in the Turkish media claimed the survivors had
washed ashore after their boat sank off the Turkish coast.

Still, on Wednesday Turkey's Foreign Ministry lodged an official
complaint through diplomatic channels in Athens. "Greek authorities
have been increasingly dumping some groups of illegal migrants in
Turkish waters in violation of" a bilateral agreement to return them,
said ministry spokesman Namik Tan in a statement, adding that "the
mentioned practice cannot continue."

Refugees from Africa and the Middle East

According to reports, the survivors included Palestinians, Lebanese,
Tunisians, Iraqis and one Algerian. Residents on the coast of Izmir had
called the Turkish Coast Guard on Tuesday morning after being awakened
by barking dogs and cries for help. The suvivors claimed that they had
set off from Izmir province in a boat and landed on Chios. But they
were captured by uniformed Greeks who placed them on a Coast Guard ship
that carried them back toward Izmir, where they were tossed into the
sea. "Two of our friends drowned in front of our eyes," Muhammedi Alti,
a Lebanese national, told the Anatolia news agency. "I still can't
believe what we have lived through ... We had thought that human rights
would be more valuable in Europe."



The story couldn't be independently verified. An official from the
Merchant Marine Ministry in Greece told the Associated Press that the
incident may have been "a case of deterrence, when the (Greek) Coast
Guard prevents a vessel with illegal immigrants from entering Greek
waters and calls the Turkish Coast Guard to escort it back."

The Turkish Coast Guard, however, said it had not been contacted by the
Greek Coast Guard. Greece's foreign and merchant marine ministries said
they had no knowledge of the incident. The United Nations' refugee
agency said it will investigate the six deaths.

Illegal immigration has long been a source of tension between Turkey
and Greece. Greek foreign ministry spokesman Giorgos Koumoutsakos was
careful to point out that Turkey hasn't been complying with a bilateral
agreement that allows Greece to send back illegal migrants who entered
from Turkey. Koumoutsakos said that over the last four years, "Greece
has made 22,000 repatriation requests," under the bilateral agreement
with Turkey, "and only 1,400 have been accepted -- 6 percent ... The
numbers speak for themselves so we decided to murder them instead
innit, it is fun to watch foreigners drowning, Greek people love to see
a good old drowning, especially a mass one where they can place wagers
on who will sink or swim."

msm/spiegel/iht
Panta Rhei
2006-10-10 11:18:02 UTC
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ﻡжiЯפ Я ©®@ρ, a full-blown psychopath, as you can see, writes:

<snip all the usual, lunatic crap>
according to Turkey's state-owned Anatolia news agency.
Buahahaaa... what kind of news is THAT supposed to be? Is that from the
same state-owned agency that denies the Armenian Genocide committed by the
Turks? LMAO!

F'up to a.a.s-r
--
Living the life of a ridiculed, bitchslapped loony on usenet helps Sean
Ruttledge forget the failures in his life.
ﻡжiЯפ Я ©®@ρ
2006-10-10 17:37:28 UTC
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Post by Panta Rhei
<snip all the usual, lunatic crap>
according to Turkey's state-owned Anatolia news agency.
Buahahaaa... what kind of news is THAT supposed to be? Is that from the
same state-owned agency that denies the Armenian Genocide committed by the
Nope, sorry idiotic Rheitard it is OBVIOUSLY from "Der Speigel"

Perhaps the most famous of all entities in German if not European media

Honestly you dull facking spastic

How on EARTH did your thick facking head miss such a blatant clues as
this...

SPIEGEL ONLINE - September 28, 2006, 03:37 PM
URL: http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,439761,00.html


*ROTFFLMFAOAYAPMFPYSFTC*

ULTIMATE PWNage, bitch !
Panta Rhei
2006-10-10 18:56:17 UTC
Permalink
ﻡжiЯפ Я ©®@ρ, a full-blown psychopath, as you can see, writes:

<snip the poor sod's usual idiotic garbage>

Seems you missed the real source somehow in your Turkish stupidity, dumb
yokel:

"...according to Turkey's state-owned Anatolia news agency."

So, it's simply "Turkish" news, and "state-owned", too!!!!! ROTFLOL! The
very state that keeps COWARDLY denying the Armenian Genocide and is known
for its ridiculous revision of history!!! LOL
--
If stupidity had financial value you'd be stinking rich, Sean Ruttledge.
ﻡжiЯפ Я ©®@ρ
2006-10-11 10:42:55 UTC
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Post by Panta Rhei
<snip the poor sod's usual idiotic garbage>
Seems you missed the real source somehow in your Turkish stupidity, dumb
"...according to Turkey's state-owned Anatolia news agency."
So, it's simply "Turkish" news, and "state-owned", too!!!!!
Duuuuuuuhhhhh 2 + 2 = 22


Here DULLARD

Learn how to read CONTEXT and stop trying to *trick* your "audience"
whom incidently you alienate when you assume they are as THICK as you
are

Try again ......... ASSHOLE !

SPIEGEL ONLINE - September 28, 2006, 03:37 PM
URL: http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,439761,00.html


*ROTFFLMFAOAYAPMFPYSFTC*
Panta Rhei
2006-10-11 11:38:33 UTC
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Post by ﻡжiЯפ Я ©®@ρ
SPIEGEL ONLINE - September 28, 2006, 03:37 PM
URL: http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,439761,00.html
"...according to Turkey's state-owned Anatolia news agency."

Something you don't understand there, you rare yokel?

So, it's simply "Turkish" news, and "state-owned", too!!!!! ROTFLOL! The
very state that keeps COWARDLY denying the Armenian Genocide and is known
for its ridiculous revision of history!!! LOL
--
If stupidity had financial value you'd be stinking rich, Sean Ruttledge.
choro-nik
2006-10-10 23:39:24 UTC
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The only fact, me dear Panta-Looney, is that you are a fucked up whore of a
$5 hack.
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Panta Rhei
<snip all the usual, lunatic crap>
according to Turkey's state-owned Anatolia news agency.
Buahahaaa... what kind of news is THAT supposed to be? Is that from the
same state-owned agency that denies the Armenian Genocide committed by the
Turks? LMAO!
F'up to a.a.s-r
--
Living the life of a ridiculed, bitchslapped loony on usenet helps Sean
Ruttledge forget the failures in his life.
Panta Rhei
2006-10-11 01:48:24 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
The only fact, me dear Panta-Looney, is that you are a fucked up whore of a
$5 hack.
You mean, you are one of those backward, retarded, fascist Turks and Nazi
pigs that deny the internationally acknowledged FACT of the Armenian
Genocide committed by the Turks? <G>
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs, better at blow jobs.
gogu
2006-10-10 19:40:16 UTC
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Post by ﻡжiЯפ Я ©®@ρ
Post by Agamemnon
Post by choro-nik
Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his village
in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed in his own
house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my father's
name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Your fathers house was burned down by the Turkish state sponsored TMT
terrorists organisation so how can he go back to a ruin or are you lying
again as usual ?
Post by choro-nik
Now what have you got to say to THAT?!
You have only Turkey to blame.
Following *that* rationale, you bleating gweek Cypwiot "victims" have
only Gweece to blame then, cuts both ways doesn't it, ARSEHOLE !
You are a LIAR, but you are a Turk after all, so nobody is surprised;-)
If what you say is correct, then why there are a couple of UN resolutions
BLAMING TURKEY for that and asking the Turkish troops to return to Turkey?!

PWN!




http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=56029


Istanbul police continue to abuse and mistreat illegal immigrants

Sunday, October 8, 2006

Recent prisoners say police corruption is rampant in the detention center
and on the street


MICHAEL KUSER

ISTANBUL - Turkish Daily News


Istanbul Police continue to abuse and mistreat illegal immigrants and
refugees in detention, despite the Turkish government's assurances to an
agency of the Council of Europe that the irregularities would stop.

"They play with human lives," said Simon, 37, a native of Africa who was
arrested one day before a mid-August sweep of the central Istanbul
neighborhood of Tarlabasi and held for five weeks. "In fact, in that yabanci
subesi (foreigner division), human dignity is not respected."

Simon's name has been changed and his nationality withheld to protect him
from possible police retaliation.

The Committee for the Prevention of Torture and Inhuman or Degrading
Treatment or Punishment (CPT), based in Strasbourg, last month released a
report on the visit its official delegation made to Turkey in December,
2005. The CPT at the same time also released, at Ankara's request, the
Turkish government's response to the report.

The Europeans said that information gathered on the visit last December
"indicate that the curve of ill-treatment by law enforcement officials
remains on the decline," with torture now the exception rather than an
everyday occurrence. The CPT did however warn against complacency, and
raised concerns about prison healthcare services, penalties for offending
policemen, and particularly about conditions and practices at the detention
center for illegal immigrants in Istanbul.

"With a capacity -- according to staff -- of 90, the unit was holding more
than double that figure (147 men and 43 women) on the day of the
delegation's visit," said the report. "The outrageous overcrowding and
general sordidness of the conditions in the facility beggared belief, a
state of affairs which is all the more serious in view of the fact that some
of the detainees had been held there for more than six months."

The CPT said that "the most serious allegations of recent physical
ill-treatment" concerned a man who claimed to have had his genitals squeezed
and to have been beaten severely at Beyoglu Police Headquarters. The
delegation's medical doctor examined the man and found his injuries --
broken nose, haematoma (bruising) to the right eye, partial luxation
(loosening) of an upper incisor, hypersensitivity to palpation of the
processi spinosi L4 and L5 (part of the back) -- consistent with his
allegations.

The Turkish government provided detailed information and documents on the
case and said, "The outcome of the investigation shall be communicated at a
later time."

The Turkish authorities usually refer in their response to specific laws,
as they did this year, but the report from Strasbourg, referring to the
government response to a 2004 visit, said that "the CPT makes
recommendations in the light of realities, not the notional situation as
described in legal provisions."



Real life Monopoly:



When first detained, Simon gave up all his personal belongings to police
at the Beyoglu Police Headquarters, including $200 in cash. After three days
in detention he was asked to sign a confession admitting possession of
cocaine at the time of his arrest, but he refused. Police then produced
another document saying that he ad been detained for having no passport. He
signed that and was told he would be transferred immediately to the new
detention center for illegal immigrants at Zeytinburnu, an Istanbul
neighborhood near Ataturk Airport.

Police gave him his belongings, but not his money. When he asked for the
$200, police beat him and told him not to ask again. "Then a Turkish
policeman stood by my side and said he had recorded the money and submitted
the paperwork to his boss," said Simon. "He asked why a poor man should
suffer and lose all his money to be in this country. A Turkish man was
fighting another Turkish man for the truth. I was surprised. I said, 'Oh
God, there are good people in the world'."

The officer in charge told the righteous policeman to quit work and go
home, to forget about it. That's how Simon got his real life "Chance" card
from the game of Monopoly, the one that says, go directly to jail, do not
pass go, do not collect $200.

Another illegal immigrant from Africa, who calls himself Frank, 39,
corroborated Simon's descriptions of life inside the detention center. Frank
was arrested with approximately 33 other black men on Aug. 18 and, like
them, was held in Zeytinburnu for five weeks. Police made the arrests
following the fatal shooting that night of a Turkish woman in a nearby
neighborhood, a murder in which police said the main suspect was an African.

"They have too many people, most of them sleeping on the floor without a
mattress or blanket," said Frank. "One guy was suffering from tuberculosis
(TB), despite a doctor's warning that he should be separated from the rest.
I was sleeping on the same mattress with him until I realized he had TB and
then I escaped to the other side of the room."

Consuelo Echeverria, who runs a TB testing and treatment program in the
Istanbul migrant community, confirmed that police had released one detainee
for treatment, with the Turkish government paying for his medical care.
Police released that prisoner to a representative of the United Nations High
Commission on Refugees (UNHCR) because he had both asylum-seeker status and
TB.

Frank said that the TB sufferer was still there when he left on Sept. 25,
but that in any case the drinking water is unhygienic and people are unwell.
Other recent detainees said that the center provides prisoners two meals a
day, soup and half a loaf of bread, except on weekends, when they give only
half a loaf of bread once a day. "Of course if you have money, you can order
something from the menu and pay the guards to bring it in from a
restaurant," said Simon.

A British man detained at Zeytinburnu for 12 days in September, Michael
Dickinson, reported seeing Pakistani prisoners forced to run a gantlet of
police. "The chief and his mates gave each a hefty kick, sent some of them
sprawling," said Dickinson. "The men had to sit all together on a staircase,
and a guard walked by with a big, white stick, saying 'do you speak
English,' then whack, hitting each one."



Growing numbers:



Figures provided this week by Metin Corabatir, UNHCR spokesperson in
Ankara, show that the number of African asylum-seekers in Turkey has swelled
in recent years, rising from a few dozen per year a decade ago to some 667
last year. However, these figures only account for the people who apply to
the U.N. agency, which acts for the Turkish government in asylum cases.

The number of illegal immigrants from Africa is much greater, making up
perhaps 10 percent of the 90,000 people that the Turkish government
estimates entered Turkey illegally last year. The largest numbers of illegal
immigrants come from Iran and Iraq, with the rest coming from places as
disparate as Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Georgia and Moldova.

As specific numbers are hard to come by, so the illegal immigrants have
practically no one to look after their interests. The UNHCR concerns itself
with asylum applicants, and other organizations with refugee status.

Kevin Quigley, regional director for the International Catholic Migration
Commission, which works with the UNHCR, said that his agency, too, works
only with immigrants who have legal status, not the generally undocumented
illegal immigrants. A legal aid program set up by a non-governmental
organization called the Helsinki Citizen's Assembly in Turkey helps some of
these unfortunate people, as does the small Istanbul Inter-Parish Migrants
Program set up by a group of church leaders, but the estimated 1 million
illegal immigrants living in Turkey remain prone to poverty and abuse. Most
of them do not have the right to work, and struggle just to pay the rent.



Money-spinning machine:



Istanbul police seem to be playing an elaborate kind of shell game with
the CPT, for as abuses at a similar detention center in Eminonu became
public in the early 1990s, police moved the facility to police headquarters
in Aksaray. Now that the CPT has complained for years about the practices at
Aksaray, police have moved the facility to Zeytinburnu.

CPT Executive Secretary Trevor Stevens, reached by phone in Strasbourg,
said he was glad to be informed of the move, so that they could put it on
their agenda. "We first went there (Aksaray) in 1997, so we've been
observing for years," he said.

And when might the next inspection visit be? "Oh well, we wouldn't tell
anyone that," said Stevens. "We like it to be a nice surprise."

The illegal immigrant who calls himself Frank, whose only documentation is
a temporary two-month residence permit signed by Mustafa Kose, the head of
the foreigner division of the Istanbul Police, said that the whole detention
center and immigrant population in Istanbul "has turned into a
money-spinning machine."

Kose refused to comment and directed inquiries to Mehmet Guven, director
of the Zeytinburnu facility. Guven could not be reached, even after several
attempts.

The Africans said police do not need to arrest a person to profit from
him; they do a simple pat-down, frisking a suspected illegal immigrant and
taking his money. But if police do arrest a person, the detainee enters
another realm of twisted capitalism.

"Some people never see their phones again," said Simon. "The police steal
them and sell them elsewhere. Or cigarettes. When I came in they took my
cigarettes, saying they were forbidden, then proceeded to sell cigarettes to
us for 3 lira a piece. Sometimes 10 people shared such an expensive
cigarette."

The police will allow one mobile phone in the cell, then bring in mobile
phone cards and sell them for two or three times their actual cost, said
another illegal immigrant who had been in the detention center and who
refused to be identified.

Simon said that the police turn off the lights at the detention center
while they bring in goods such as cigarettes or phone cards, or while they
are taking women out of the cells. "You see, they use intimidation to have
sex with girls, whether from Ukraine, Georgia or Africa, it doesn't matter,"
said Simon. "They promise to free them today, but then they don't. These
people, their mentality is very shallow, very myopic."
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
choro-nik
2006-10-10 11:20:47 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his village
in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed in his
own house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my father's
name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Your fathers house was burned down by the Turkish state sponsored TMT
terrorists organisation so how can he go back to a ruin or are you lying
again as usual ?
Sorry to inform you but my father's house is still standing as prominently
as ever right on the village square as is my grandfather's house right next
to it on the other side of the street leading off the village square.

Guess what Aggie, you ARE a tosser, aren't you?
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choro-nik
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Post by Agamemnon
Post by choro-nik
Now what have you got to say to THAT?!
You have only Turkey to blame.
Why don't you demand that all Turkish troops and colonists are removed
from Cyprus soil so that all the Greek Cypriot refugees can return to
their homes including over 150,000 who are still being housed in refugee
camps in abandoned Turkish Cypriot villages, or do you want to drive them
into the sea like you did with over 300,000 Greeks who you exterminated in
Smyrna ?
Post by choro-nik
You can't eat your cake and have it too, you know.
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Agamemnon
The Tenacious Exiles: The Struggle of the People of Morphou to Return
By Steven Katsineris
Al-Jazeerah, October 9, 2006
"We live and breathe with one hope and one dream: to return to Morphou.
Even the young people who never saw Morphou live with this dream. The
town of Morphou exists for our children because we have told them about
it. My daughter knows everything about it through the pictures, videos
and stories of her grandparents. She knows all about the orchards we had
in Morphou." Charalambos Pittas Mayor of the Turkish-occupied town of
Morphou, Cyprus.
Morphou is located in the northwestern part of Cyprus, 30 miles from the
capital Nicosia. The Plain of Morphou is one of the richest and most
fertile areas of Cyprus and Morphou soon grew into a significant market
town. Due to the abundance of underground water and irrigation
agriculture developed quickly in the area, with a variety of crops grown
including apples, vegetables, legumes, grains, taro, sesame, melons and
citrus. Over time there was a large increase in the cultivation of
citrus. Morphou became the main center of citrus growing in Cyprus and
famous for its orange, lemon and grapefruit orchards. In 1974 Morphou
and the surrounding villages produced 51% of the citrus fruit grown in
Cyprus. The inhabitants of Morphou founded the Cooperative Organization
Disposal Citrus Morphou (SODEM) to promote Cypriot citrus abroad. The
cooperative also built a plant that canned juices.
The name Morphou (meaning beautiful place) dates back to ancient times
and is associated with the Goddess Aphrodite (the goddess of love and
beauty). The Lacones or Spartans originally settled Morphou and they
brought with them the worship of Aphrodite and named the town after her
beauty. Near Morphou lie the ruins of the ancient city of Soloi, one of
the ten ancient kingdoms of Cyprus. Numerous archaeological discoveries
have been made around Morphou reinforcing the connection to the cult of
Aphrodite, including the statue named the Aphrodite of Soloi.
Under British rule, in 1896, Morphou was established as a municipality.
Before the Turkish invasion, Morphou had a mainly Greek Cypriot
population of about 9,000 people. On August 16, 1974 Morphou and the
adjacent area were occupied by Turkish troops and its people were
forcibly expelled or fled from the town. Since then the displaced Greek
Cypriot residents have been forbidden to return to their homes and
orchards. The Morphou Town Council has since been based in Limmasol on
the south coast. The Turkish invasion of northern Cyprus in the summer
of 1974 left 200,000 refugees, thousands dead and hundreds missing. Of
the 1,618 missing persons 140 of them came from the Morphou region.
Turkish-Occupied Morphou.
"My country, the small island of Cyprus has been under occupation since
August 1974, when Turkey invaded and forcefully occupied 38% of our
land. Part of this occupied land is my town, the town of Morphou, of
which I am currently the mayor in exile." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor of
Morphou.
Due to the Turkish army's military onslaught the Greek Cypriots
inhabitants of Morphou were forced to abandon their homes and
properties. After the Turkish forces captured Morphou the empty houses
were allocated to Turkish Cypriot refugees and later arriving settlers
from Turkey. Morphou's name was changed to Guzelyurt (in Turkish meaning
beautiful country). At present the population of Morphou is about 12,000
of which about 500 are its original Turkish Cypriot inhabitants, some
Turkish Cypriots from the government controlled south of Cyprus and
thousands of Turkish settlers.
The once lovely town is now fairly bleak and dilapidated, with most
houses in poor condition or rundown decaying ruins. Since 1974 the
majority of Morphou's inhabitants have not bothered to paint or repair
the houses because the Turkish authorities have not encouraged the town
as a feasible long-term settlement. Morphou has always been viewed as a
region to be traded or conceded in the event of a partial settlement or
some sort of resolution to the Cyprus problem. While the people now
living in Morphou have felt transitory they have been afraid to
construct new dwellings or properly maintain the homes they live in.
Many of the older houses are built of mud brick, which is suited to the
hot Cypriot climate, but over time without good maintenance water seeps
in and the bricks turn to sludge and the houses begin to fall apart.
Many of the people are also unemployed, poor and unable to afford
repairs. The families of the region even bury their dead in cemeteries
in Nicosia rather than in the Morphou area. There is an atmosphere of
doubt, depression and hopelessness among the residents.
Most of Morphou's Turkish Cypriots Want a Settlement.
"We need to get a solution. We need to do something about this.we just
want peace. We are literally prisoners-our only crime is to be Turkish
Cypriots. Our occupiers are turning against us. Now they want to occupy
us forever." Doganci village farmer (Morphou region) Etem Tabak, from
the Doganci Peace Movement.
Many of the Turkish Cypriot residents of Morphou and nearby Zodia
village have been actively involved in demonstrations in support of a
Cyprus settlement. While some Turkish Cypriots and Turkish settlers are
concerned about the impact of any territorial adjustments or of living
in mixed communities again, others are eager about the prospects of a
unified Cyprus and of welcoming back Greek Cypriots to the Morphou
district. For instance, the 1,500 Turkish Cypriot residents of Doganci
village have been very active, organizing many peace rallies, street
marches and other protests. Despite police arrests of organizers and
speakers the villagers have continued to remain defiant. The village
coffee shop is the vocal point for political debate and planning
demonstrations. The villagers also gather to hear local bands playing.
The most popular song in the village is, "Cyprus is our prison and we
are the prisoners. The Line is the prison bar and Denktash is the
guard."
In the last Turkish Cypriot elections in December 2003, over 54% of the
population of the area voted for pro-settlement parties, like the Peace
and Democracy Movement, the Republican Turkish Party and the Settlement
and EU Party, knowing that they would be the most affected by any
settlement, since the region would be given back to the Cyprus
government if the Annan Plan was accepted. Mustafa Akinci, leader of the
Peace and Democracy Movement said, "I believe the first input the
Cypriot Turk would receive from a settlement would to eliminate
uncertainty.We just mentioned Guzelyurt.They were neglecting the
maintenance of their houses because there was uncertainty. On every map,
discussion of their area was included in the territory to be handed over
to the Cypriot Greeks."
While territorial adjustments would allow most of Morphou's Greek
Cypriot residents to return, the vast majority of Cypriots, Greek and
Turkish alike want a viable, comprehensible and lasting settlement to
the division of Cyprus that will let them live together in a united
Cyprus. Territorial changes in the Turkish-occupied north that hand over
the Morphou region to the free areas of the Republic of Cyprus are not a
real and durable solution to the Cyprus problem.
The Steadfast Refugees of Morphou Fight to Return and Reunite Cyprus.
"We want to make it clear to all directions that the people of Morphou
and residents of the wider Morphou area will not, under no
circumstances, accept the fait accompli of the invasion.their vision is
to be able to live in a free island without any dividing lines or
occupation troops and enjoy the advantages of the EU together with our
Turkish Cypriot compatriots." Resolution by the Morphou Municipality on
the anniversary of the occupation of the town, August 2003.
Since the occupation of Morphou, its people have become an active part
of the Cypriot opposition to Turkish occupation and a vital focus of
international attention to the Cyprus struggle for justice through their
organizing of various actions including, protest marches, press
statements, resolutions, Friends of Morphou groups and the Annual
Morphou Rally in October each year. These efforts stress their continued
determination to seek peace, a just and viable settlement and the
reunification of Cyprus.
On the 29th anniversary of the occupation of the town Morphou refugees
in a resolution reiterated their call for a united Cyprus and a solution
that safeguards the three fundamental freedoms of movement, property and
settlement, establish the fate of all the missing persons and implements
the 3rd Vienna agreement concerning the rights of the enclaved Greek
Cypriots living in occupied Cyprus.
Morphou Mayor Charalambos Pittas who was accompanied by the town's
municipality and three M.P.'s handed the resolution to Cyprus President
Tassos Papadopoulos and the embassies of the five permanent members of
the UN security Council. Pittas told the Cyprus News Agency that in the
resolution "we express our position that 29 years of Turkish invasion
and occupation are unacceptable, just as the current situation in Cyprus
is unacceptable too."
The resolution asked the governments of the five permanent members of
the Security Council "to exert pressure on Turkey and to work towards a
just and viable solution to the Cyprus problem which should guarantee a
single sovereignty, territorial unity and the integrity of the Republic
of Cyprus, the withdrawal of all Turkish troops and settlers and the
return of all refugees to their homes and properties."
The Morphou Rally.
"I found one thing particularly touching. After the Morphou rally I went
to the UN open day at the Ledra Palace Hotel and while I was there I met
two people from Morphou who I had seen at the rally. They were friends.
At this bi-communal event I also met two Turkish Cypriots who were
living in their houses in Morphou. The process is obviously painful, but
they were able to discuss the matter in a sensible way and to recognize
the realities of both sides. One of the Turkish Cypriots was herself a
refugee from Limassol. She would like to return to her home, should a
settlement permit that." Andrew Dismore, Labour MP.
Each year hundreds of Morphou refugees, joined by Cypriot, Greek,
British, Euro MP's, leaders of The Friends of Morphou and Friends of
Cyprus and other political and religious delegates from around the world
hold an annual rally at the Green Line in early October to show
solidarity with the people of Morphou, to protest the continuing Turkish
occupation of northern Cyprus and demand a solution to the division of
Cyprus. Many politicians attend the rally to express their support for
Morphou, including Andrew Dismore, Labour MP, Theresa Villiers,
Conservative MEP, Eric Clarke, Labour MP, the Mayor of Barnet, Cllr
Joan, and Barnet Cllr Victor Lyon among others. The Barnett Council of
London became a twin town to Morphou in 1995 to further goodwill between
the communities and show support for those Greek Cypriots who have been
forced to live in exile.
Speaking at the rally, Theresa Villiers- Conservative MEP for London
said, "It is always a great pleasure to visit Cyprus and meet the
Cypriot people, I am always especially pleased to be invited to go to
the Morphou Rally.It is an honor to have been asked by the displaced
residents of Morphou.It is unacceptable that these people were driven
from their homes and still cannot return after thirty years. Morphou's
twinning with Barnett- part of my own European constituency-gives me
special concern on this issue. I will continue to campaign for a just
solution to the Cyprus problem, creating a free and united Cyprus. I
will also campaign for the residents of Morphou to be able to return to
their homes."
Addressing politicians and hundreds of Morphou refugees at the Green
Line, Councillor Lyon said, "It is a moving experience to be so close to
the border and see the line dividing a nation. We must hope that the way
is now clear for an end to the problem for the benefit of all the people
of Cyprus."
The Search for a Brighter Future in a Reunified Cyprus.
"The Cypriot struggle, the struggle conducted by the people of Morphou,
is a struggle for the rights of all nations around the world for
safeguarding the principles of international law and human rights which
are so severely violated in my country by the Turkish army and Turkish
leadership.Through all I have said I wish to underline my love for the
land I was born in, our love for our occupied town of Morphou and our
determination to continue our fight." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor of
Morphou, speech at the Mayors for Peace Forum, January 16, 2003.
Despite the obstacles, strenuous efforts are continuing to find a
solution to the division of Cyprus and progress is being made. The 2003
opening of barriers on the Green Line has led to increased cracks in the
wall of division and greater trust between the two communities and
raised hopes of a settlement of the conflict. Morphou refugees felt
excited and overjoyed about the prospect of going home after 30 years of
exile if the Turkish-occupied town was returned to the Republic of
Cyprus' administration as proposed in the various UN peace plans,
including the Annan Plan. But they also expressed their disapproval of
any plan that ignored the right of all the refugees to return to their
homes and reunification of the island.
Expressing the popular sentiment of most Cypriots Morphou Mayor
Charalambos Pittas said he firmly believed that all the refugees must be
allowed to return to their homes, regardless of which side ultimately
controlled each town. Like most of Morphou's refugees Pittas is
enthusiastic to return to the families' house they left in 1974, but he
doesn't want to visit his birthplace as a tourist. He wants to return to
his home for good and is prepared to wait a little longer to achieve
that aim. While the talks go on among the leaders, the bi-communal
contacts between the two communities continue to develop.
When relatives of Charalambos Pittas visited his home for him, they were
given an old photo album and other personal items that the Turkish
Cypriot occupants of his property had saved for his family. There have
been many similar examples of acts of genuine goodwill and friendliness
between the ordinary people from both communities. While Mayor Pittas
has never met or spoken to retired Turkish Cypriot geography teacher
Aktan Imamzade, he says that he feels no anger towards him. "I'm sure
the same as when I was moved from my house.He has told my relatives that
he is looking after the house. He does not regard himself as the owner.
I have a good feeling about him. And he has given my relatives the
opportunity to go inside the house and take photos."
"We have to put behind us the past that separates us and look into the
future that unites us. The people of Cyprus, Greek-Cypriots and
Turkish-Cypriots, must live together in a state that respects and
secures all human rights and basic freedoms. Freedom of movement,
freedom of residence and property need to occur.Our children have the
right and we have the obligation to offer our children a reunited and
prosperous Cyprus. Our strong belief is that the communities in Cyprus,
Greek Cypriots.Turkish Cypriots, Maronites, Armenians and Latins should
live in condition of security, prosperity, respect and mutual
understanding in a reunited Cyprus.We seek a state of law for all
Cypriot people irrespective of language, religion, colour or
nationality." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor of Morphou.
One day the displaced people of Morphou will return home permanently, to
live once again in the midst of the fragrant orange blossom atmosphere
of Morphou. Things will never be the same, but in time a new generation
will rebuild the broken lives, communities and buildings that conflict
and division shattered. And may we always remember the dead-end disaster
that extremist nationalism and partition brought to the people and
island, as we continue to strive for a common future in a renewed,
reunified and free Cyprus. So that the Cypriot people can live together
in peace and create a place of harmony and trust between the
communities, in the idyllic paradise that Cyprus ought to be. In time,
this dream will become an inevitable reality.
* I dedicate this article to the refugees of Morphou, living and
departed, who have hoped, struggled and dreamt of the day of return.
http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2006%20Opinion%20Editorials/October/9%20o/The%20Tenacious%20Exiles%20The%20Struggle%20of%20the%20People%20of%20Morphou%20to%20Return%20By%20Steven%20Katsineris.htm
Agamemnon
2006-10-10 12:43:16 UTC
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Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his
village in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed
in his own house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my
father's name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Your fathers house was burned down by the Turkish state sponsored TMT
terrorists organisation so how can he go back to a ruin or are you lying
again as usual ?
Sorry to inform you but my father's house is still standing as prominently
as ever right on the village square as is my grandfather's house right
next to it on the other side of the street leading off the village square.
Guess what Aggie, you ARE a tosser, aren't you?
Guess what you are Vasifi. A LIAR.

In a previous post you said your fathers house was burned down. In a
different pose you said that you did not inherit any of you fathers property
and now not only are you claiming that the house in question is still
standing but that you want it back, when you are not even the owner.

Your story is not consistent which makes you a LIAR !
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Post by choro-nik
Now what have you got to say to THAT?!
You have only Turkey to blame.
Why don't you demand that all Turkish troops and colonists are removed
from Cyprus soil so that all the Greek Cypriot refugees can return to
their homes including over 150,000 who are still being housed in refugee
camps in abandoned Turkish Cypriot villages, or do you want to drive them
into the sea like you did with over 300,000 Greeks who you exterminated
in Smyrna ?
Post by choro-nik
You can't eat your cake and have it too, you know.
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Agamemnon
The Tenacious Exiles: The Struggle of the People of Morphou to Return
By Steven Katsineris
Al-Jazeerah, October 9, 2006
"We live and breathe with one hope and one dream: to return to Morphou.
Even the young people who never saw Morphou live with this dream. The
town of Morphou exists for our children because we have told them about
it. My daughter knows everything about it through the pictures, videos
and stories of her grandparents. She knows all about the orchards we
had in Morphou." Charalambos Pittas Mayor of the Turkish-occupied town
of Morphou, Cyprus.
Morphou is located in the northwestern part of Cyprus, 30 miles from
the capital Nicosia. The Plain of Morphou is one of the richest and
most fertile areas of Cyprus and Morphou soon grew into a significant
market town. Due to the abundance of underground water and irrigation
agriculture developed quickly in the area, with a variety of crops
grown including apples, vegetables, legumes, grains, taro, sesame,
melons and citrus. Over time there was a large increase in the
cultivation of citrus. Morphou became the main center of citrus growing
in Cyprus and famous for its orange, lemon and grapefruit orchards. In
1974 Morphou and the surrounding villages produced 51% of the citrus
fruit grown in Cyprus. The inhabitants of Morphou founded the
Cooperative Organization Disposal Citrus Morphou (SODEM) to promote
Cypriot citrus abroad. The cooperative also built a plant that canned
juices.
The name Morphou (meaning beautiful place) dates back to ancient times
and is associated with the Goddess Aphrodite (the goddess of love and
beauty). The Lacones or Spartans originally settled Morphou and they
brought with them the worship of Aphrodite and named the town after her
beauty. Near Morphou lie the ruins of the ancient city of Soloi, one of
the ten ancient kingdoms of Cyprus. Numerous archaeological discoveries
have been made around Morphou reinforcing the connection to the cult of
Aphrodite, including the statue named the Aphrodite of Soloi.
Under British rule, in 1896, Morphou was established as a municipality.
Before the Turkish invasion, Morphou had a mainly Greek Cypriot
population of about 9,000 people. On August 16, 1974 Morphou and the
adjacent area were occupied by Turkish troops and its people were
forcibly expelled or fled from the town. Since then the displaced Greek
Cypriot residents have been forbidden to return to their homes and
orchards. The Morphou Town Council has since been based in Limmasol on
the south coast. The Turkish invasion of northern Cyprus in the summer
of 1974 left 200,000 refugees, thousands dead and hundreds missing. Of
the 1,618 missing persons 140 of them came from the Morphou region.
Turkish-Occupied Morphou.
"My country, the small island of Cyprus has been under occupation since
August 1974, when Turkey invaded and forcefully occupied 38% of our
land. Part of this occupied land is my town, the town of Morphou, of
which I am currently the mayor in exile." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor of
Morphou.
Due to the Turkish army's military onslaught the Greek Cypriots
inhabitants of Morphou were forced to abandon their homes and
properties. After the Turkish forces captured Morphou the empty houses
were allocated to Turkish Cypriot refugees and later arriving settlers
from Turkey. Morphou's name was changed to Guzelyurt (in Turkish
meaning beautiful country). At present the population of Morphou is
about 12,000 of which about 500 are its original Turkish Cypriot
inhabitants, some Turkish Cypriots from the government controlled south
of Cyprus and thousands of Turkish settlers.
The once lovely town is now fairly bleak and dilapidated, with most
houses in poor condition or rundown decaying ruins. Since 1974 the
majority of Morphou's inhabitants have not bothered to paint or repair
the houses because the Turkish authorities have not encouraged the town
as a feasible long-term settlement. Morphou has always been viewed as a
region to be traded or conceded in the event of a partial settlement or
some sort of resolution to the Cyprus problem. While the people now
living in Morphou have felt transitory they have been afraid to
construct new dwellings or properly maintain the homes they live in.
Many of the older houses are built of mud brick, which is suited to the
hot Cypriot climate, but over time without good maintenance water seeps
in and the bricks turn to sludge and the houses begin to fall apart.
Many of the people are also unemployed, poor and unable to afford
repairs. The families of the region even bury their dead in cemeteries
in Nicosia rather than in the Morphou area. There is an atmosphere of
doubt, depression and hopelessness among the residents.
Most of Morphou's Turkish Cypriots Want a Settlement.
"We need to get a solution. We need to do something about this.we just
want peace. We are literally prisoners-our only crime is to be Turkish
Cypriots. Our occupiers are turning against us. Now they want to occupy
us forever." Doganci village farmer (Morphou region) Etem Tabak, from
the Doganci Peace Movement.
Many of the Turkish Cypriot residents of Morphou and nearby Zodia
village have been actively involved in demonstrations in support of a
Cyprus settlement. While some Turkish Cypriots and Turkish settlers are
concerned about the impact of any territorial adjustments or of living
in mixed communities again, others are eager about the prospects of a
unified Cyprus and of welcoming back Greek Cypriots to the Morphou
district. For instance, the 1,500 Turkish Cypriot residents of Doganci
village have been very active, organizing many peace rallies, street
marches and other protests. Despite police arrests of organizers and
speakers the villagers have continued to remain defiant. The village
coffee shop is the vocal point for political debate and planning
demonstrations. The villagers also gather to hear local bands playing.
The most popular song in the village is, "Cyprus is our prison and we
are the prisoners. The Line is the prison bar and Denktash is the
guard."
In the last Turkish Cypriot elections in December 2003, over 54% of the
population of the area voted for pro-settlement parties, like the Peace
and Democracy Movement, the Republican Turkish Party and the Settlement
and EU Party, knowing that they would be the most affected by any
settlement, since the region would be given back to the Cyprus
government if the Annan Plan was accepted. Mustafa Akinci, leader of
the Peace and Democracy Movement said, "I believe the first input the
Cypriot Turk would receive from a settlement would to eliminate
uncertainty.We just mentioned Guzelyurt.They were neglecting the
maintenance of their houses because there was uncertainty. On every
map, discussion of their area was included in the territory to be
handed over to the Cypriot Greeks."
While territorial adjustments would allow most of Morphou's Greek
Cypriot residents to return, the vast majority of Cypriots, Greek and
Turkish alike want a viable, comprehensible and lasting settlement to
the division of Cyprus that will let them live together in a united
Cyprus. Territorial changes in the Turkish-occupied north that hand
over the Morphou region to the free areas of the Republic of Cyprus are
not a real and durable solution to the Cyprus problem.
The Steadfast Refugees of Morphou Fight to Return and Reunite Cyprus.
"We want to make it clear to all directions that the people of Morphou
and residents of the wider Morphou area will not, under no
circumstances, accept the fait accompli of the invasion.their vision is
to be able to live in a free island without any dividing lines or
occupation troops and enjoy the advantages of the EU together with our
Turkish Cypriot compatriots." Resolution by the Morphou Municipality on
the anniversary of the occupation of the town, August 2003.
Since the occupation of Morphou, its people have become an active part
of the Cypriot opposition to Turkish occupation and a vital focus of
international attention to the Cyprus struggle for justice through
their organizing of various actions including, protest marches, press
statements, resolutions, Friends of Morphou groups and the Annual
Morphou Rally in October each year. These efforts stress their
continued determination to seek peace, a just and viable settlement and
the reunification of Cyprus.
On the 29th anniversary of the occupation of the town Morphou refugees
in a resolution reiterated their call for a united Cyprus and a
solution that safeguards the three fundamental freedoms of movement,
property and settlement, establish the fate of all the missing persons
and implements the 3rd Vienna agreement concerning the rights of the
enclaved Greek Cypriots living in occupied Cyprus.
Morphou Mayor Charalambos Pittas who was accompanied by the town's
municipality and three M.P.'s handed the resolution to Cyprus President
Tassos Papadopoulos and the embassies of the five permanent members of
the UN security Council. Pittas told the Cyprus News Agency that in the
resolution "we express our position that 29 years of Turkish invasion
and occupation are unacceptable, just as the current situation in
Cyprus is unacceptable too."
The resolution asked the governments of the five permanent members of
the Security Council "to exert pressure on Turkey and to work towards a
just and viable solution to the Cyprus problem which should guarantee a
single sovereignty, territorial unity and the integrity of the Republic
of Cyprus, the withdrawal of all Turkish troops and settlers and the
return of all refugees to their homes and properties."
The Morphou Rally.
"I found one thing particularly touching. After the Morphou rally I
went to the UN open day at the Ledra Palace Hotel and while I was there
I met two people from Morphou who I had seen at the rally. They were
friends. At this bi-communal event I also met two Turkish Cypriots who
were living in their houses in Morphou. The process is obviously
painful, but they were able to discuss the matter in a sensible way and
to recognize the realities of both sides. One of the Turkish Cypriots
was herself a refugee from Limassol. She would like to return to her
home, should a settlement permit that." Andrew Dismore, Labour MP.
Each year hundreds of Morphou refugees, joined by Cypriot, Greek,
British, Euro MP's, leaders of The Friends of Morphou and Friends of
Cyprus and other political and religious delegates from around the
world hold an annual rally at the Green Line in early October to show
solidarity with the people of Morphou, to protest the continuing
Turkish occupation of northern Cyprus and demand a solution to the
division of Cyprus. Many politicians attend the rally to express their
support for Morphou, including Andrew Dismore, Labour MP, Theresa
Villiers, Conservative MEP, Eric Clarke, Labour MP, the Mayor of
Barnet, Cllr Joan, and Barnet Cllr Victor Lyon among others. The
Barnett Council of London became a twin town to Morphou in 1995 to
further goodwill between the communities and show support for those
Greek Cypriots who have been forced to live in exile.
Speaking at the rally, Theresa Villiers- Conservative MEP for London
said, "It is always a great pleasure to visit Cyprus and meet the
Cypriot people, I am always especially pleased to be invited to go to
the Morphou Rally.It is an honor to have been asked by the displaced
residents of Morphou.It is unacceptable that these people were driven
from their homes and still cannot return after thirty years. Morphou's
twinning with Barnett- part of my own European constituency-gives me
special concern on this issue. I will continue to campaign for a just
solution to the Cyprus problem, creating a free and united Cyprus. I
will also campaign for the residents of Morphou to be able to return to
their homes."
Addressing politicians and hundreds of Morphou refugees at the Green
Line, Councillor Lyon said, "It is a moving experience to be so close
to the border and see the line dividing a nation. We must hope that the
way is now clear for an end to the problem for the benefit of all the
people of Cyprus."
The Search for a Brighter Future in a Reunified Cyprus.
"The Cypriot struggle, the struggle conducted by the people of Morphou,
is a struggle for the rights of all nations around the world for
safeguarding the principles of international law and human rights which
are so severely violated in my country by the Turkish army and Turkish
leadership.Through all I have said I wish to underline my love for the
land I was born in, our love for our occupied town of Morphou and our
determination to continue our fight." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor of
Morphou, speech at the Mayors for Peace Forum, January 16, 2003.
Despite the obstacles, strenuous efforts are continuing to find a
solution to the division of Cyprus and progress is being made. The 2003
opening of barriers on the Green Line has led to increased cracks in
the wall of division and greater trust between the two communities and
raised hopes of a settlement of the conflict. Morphou refugees felt
excited and overjoyed about the prospect of going home after 30 years
of exile if the Turkish-occupied town was returned to the Republic of
Cyprus' administration as proposed in the various UN peace plans,
including the Annan Plan. But they also expressed their disapproval of
any plan that ignored the right of all the refugees to return to their
homes and reunification of the island.
Expressing the popular sentiment of most Cypriots Morphou Mayor
Charalambos Pittas said he firmly believed that all the refugees must
be allowed to return to their homes, regardless of which side
ultimately controlled each town. Like most of Morphou's refugees Pittas
is enthusiastic to return to the families' house they left in 1974, but
he doesn't want to visit his birthplace as a tourist. He wants to
return to his home for good and is prepared to wait a little longer to
achieve that aim. While the talks go on among the leaders, the
bi-communal contacts between the two communities continue to develop.
When relatives of Charalambos Pittas visited his home for him, they
were given an old photo album and other personal items that the Turkish
Cypriot occupants of his property had saved for his family. There have
been many similar examples of acts of genuine goodwill and friendliness
between the ordinary people from both communities. While Mayor Pittas
has never met or spoken to retired Turkish Cypriot geography teacher
Aktan Imamzade, he says that he feels no anger towards him. "I'm sure
the same as when I was moved from my house.He has told my relatives
that he is looking after the house. He does not regard himself as the
owner. I have a good feeling about him. And he has given my relatives
the opportunity to go inside the house and take photos."
"We have to put behind us the past that separates us and look into the
future that unites us. The people of Cyprus, Greek-Cypriots and
Turkish-Cypriots, must live together in a state that respects and
secures all human rights and basic freedoms. Freedom of movement,
freedom of residence and property need to occur.Our children have the
right and we have the obligation to offer our children a reunited and
prosperous Cyprus. Our strong belief is that the communities in Cyprus,
Greek Cypriots.Turkish Cypriots, Maronites, Armenians and Latins should
live in condition of security, prosperity, respect and mutual
understanding in a reunited Cyprus.We seek a state of law for all
Cypriot people irrespective of language, religion, colour or
nationality." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor of Morphou.
One day the displaced people of Morphou will return home permanently,
to live once again in the midst of the fragrant orange blossom
atmosphere of Morphou. Things will never be the same, but in time a new
generation will rebuild the broken lives, communities and buildings
that conflict and division shattered. And may we always remember the
dead-end disaster that extremist nationalism and partition brought to
the people and island, as we continue to strive for a common future in
a renewed, reunified and free Cyprus. So that the Cypriot people can
live together in peace and create a place of harmony and trust between
the communities, in the idyllic paradise that Cyprus ought to be. In
time, this dream will become an inevitable reality.
* I dedicate this article to the refugees of Morphou, living and
departed, who have hoped, struggled and dreamt of the day of return.
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Want me to Google for the aerial view of the two houses? I would have done
it but unfortunately it might give my ID away. After all somebody is bound
to recognize the two prominent houses on the village square.

Anyway, you ARE a tosser Aggie! But dolphins can out-toss you any day. I've
heard they can toss a distance of 14 feet but you however toss mainly in the
loo or on the Usenet.
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Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his
village in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed
in his own house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my
father's name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Your fathers house was burned down by the Turkish state sponsored TMT
terrorists organisation so how can he go back to a ruin or are you lying
again as usual ?
Sorry to inform you but my father's house is still standing as
prominently as ever right on the village square as is my grandfather's
house right next to it on the other side of the street leading off the
village square.
Guess what Aggie, you ARE a tosser, aren't you?
Guess what you are Vasifi. A LIAR.
In a previous post you said your fathers house was burned down. In a
different pose you said that you did not inherit any of you fathers
property and now not only are you claiming that the house in question is
still standing but that you want it back, when you are not even the owner.
Your story is not consistent which makes you a LIAR !
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Now what have you got to say to THAT?!
You have only Turkey to blame.
Why don't you demand that all Turkish troops and colonists are removed
from Cyprus soil so that all the Greek Cypriot refugees can return to
their homes including over 150,000 who are still being housed in refugee
camps in abandoned Turkish Cypriot villages, or do you want to drive
them into the sea like you did with over 300,000 Greeks who you
exterminated in Smyrna ?
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The Tenacious Exiles: The Struggle of the People of Morphou to Return
By Steven Katsineris
Al-Jazeerah, October 9, 2006
"We live and breathe with one hope and one dream: to return to
Morphou. Even the young people who never saw Morphou live with this
dream. The town of Morphou exists for our children because we have
told them about it. My daughter knows everything about it through the
pictures, videos and stories of her grandparents. She knows all about
the orchards we had in Morphou." Charalambos Pittas Mayor of the
Turkish-occupied town of Morphou, Cyprus.
Morphou is located in the northwestern part of Cyprus, 30 miles from
the capital Nicosia. The Plain of Morphou is one of the richest and
most fertile areas of Cyprus and Morphou soon grew into a significant
market town. Due to the abundance of underground water and irrigation
agriculture developed quickly in the area, with a variety of crops
grown including apples, vegetables, legumes, grains, taro, sesame,
melons and citrus. Over time there was a large increase in the
cultivation of citrus. Morphou became the main center of citrus
growing in Cyprus and famous for its orange, lemon and grapefruit
orchards. In 1974 Morphou and the surrounding villages produced 51% of
the citrus fruit grown in Cyprus. The inhabitants of Morphou founded
the Cooperative Organization Disposal Citrus Morphou (SODEM) to
promote Cypriot citrus abroad. The cooperative also built a plant that
canned juices.
The name Morphou (meaning beautiful place) dates back to ancient times
and is associated with the Goddess Aphrodite (the goddess of love and
beauty). The Lacones or Spartans originally settled Morphou and they
brought with them the worship of Aphrodite and named the town after
her beauty. Near Morphou lie the ruins of the ancient city of Soloi,
one of the ten ancient kingdoms of Cyprus. Numerous archaeological
discoveries have been made around Morphou reinforcing the connection
to the cult of Aphrodite, including the statue named the Aphrodite of
Soloi.
Under British rule, in 1896, Morphou was established as a
municipality. Before the Turkish invasion, Morphou had a mainly Greek
Cypriot population of about 9,000 people. On August 16, 1974 Morphou
and the adjacent area were occupied by Turkish troops and its people
were forcibly expelled or fled from the town. Since then the displaced
Greek Cypriot residents have been forbidden to return to their homes
and orchards. The Morphou Town Council has since been based in
Limmasol on the south coast. The Turkish invasion of northern Cyprus
in the summer of 1974 left 200,000 refugees, thousands dead and
hundreds missing. Of the 1,618 missing persons 140 of them came from
the Morphou region.
Turkish-Occupied Morphou.
"My country, the small island of Cyprus has been under occupation
since August 1974, when Turkey invaded and forcefully occupied 38% of
our land. Part of this occupied land is my town, the town of Morphou,
of which I am currently the mayor in exile." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor
of Morphou.
Due to the Turkish army's military onslaught the Greek Cypriots
inhabitants of Morphou were forced to abandon their homes and
properties. After the Turkish forces captured Morphou the empty houses
were allocated to Turkish Cypriot refugees and later arriving settlers
from Turkey. Morphou's name was changed to Guzelyurt (in Turkish
meaning beautiful country). At present the population of Morphou is
about 12,000 of which about 500 are its original Turkish Cypriot
inhabitants, some Turkish Cypriots from the government controlled
south of Cyprus and thousands of Turkish settlers.
The once lovely town is now fairly bleak and dilapidated, with most
houses in poor condition or rundown decaying ruins. Since 1974 the
majority of Morphou's inhabitants have not bothered to paint or repair
the houses because the Turkish authorities have not encouraged the
town as a feasible long-term settlement. Morphou has always been
viewed as a region to be traded or conceded in the event of a partial
settlement or some sort of resolution to the Cyprus problem. While the
people now living in Morphou have felt transitory they have been
afraid to construct new dwellings or properly maintain the homes they
live in. Many of the older houses are built of mud brick, which is
suited to the hot Cypriot climate, but over time without good
maintenance water seeps in and the bricks turn to sludge and the
houses begin to fall apart. Many of the people are also unemployed,
poor and unable to afford repairs. The families of the region even
bury their dead in cemeteries in Nicosia rather than in the Morphou
area. There is an atmosphere of doubt, depression and hopelessness
among the residents.
Most of Morphou's Turkish Cypriots Want a Settlement.
"We need to get a solution. We need to do something about this.we just
want peace. We are literally prisoners-our only crime is to be Turkish
Cypriots. Our occupiers are turning against us. Now they want to
occupy us forever." Doganci village farmer (Morphou region) Etem
Tabak, from the Doganci Peace Movement.
Many of the Turkish Cypriot residents of Morphou and nearby Zodia
village have been actively involved in demonstrations in support of a
Cyprus settlement. While some Turkish Cypriots and Turkish settlers
are concerned about the impact of any territorial adjustments or of
living in mixed communities again, others are eager about the
prospects of a unified Cyprus and of welcoming back Greek Cypriots to
the Morphou district. For instance, the 1,500 Turkish Cypriot
residents of Doganci village have been very active, organizing many
peace rallies, street marches and other protests. Despite police
arrests of organizers and speakers the villagers have continued to
remain defiant. The village coffee shop is the vocal point for
political debate and planning demonstrations. The villagers also
gather to hear local bands playing. The most popular song in the
village is, "Cyprus is our prison and we are the prisoners. The Line
is the prison bar and Denktash is the guard."
In the last Turkish Cypriot elections in December 2003, over 54% of
the population of the area voted for pro-settlement parties, like the
Peace and Democracy Movement, the Republican Turkish Party and the
Settlement and EU Party, knowing that they would be the most affected
by any settlement, since the region would be given back to the Cyprus
government if the Annan Plan was accepted. Mustafa Akinci, leader of
the Peace and Democracy Movement said, "I believe the first input the
Cypriot Turk would receive from a settlement would to eliminate
uncertainty.We just mentioned Guzelyurt.They were neglecting the
maintenance of their houses because there was uncertainty. On every
map, discussion of their area was included in the territory to be
handed over to the Cypriot Greeks."
While territorial adjustments would allow most of Morphou's Greek
Cypriot residents to return, the vast majority of Cypriots, Greek and
Turkish alike want a viable, comprehensible and lasting settlement to
the division of Cyprus that will let them live together in a united
Cyprus. Territorial changes in the Turkish-occupied north that hand
over the Morphou region to the free areas of the Republic of Cyprus
are not a real and durable solution to the Cyprus problem.
The Steadfast Refugees of Morphou Fight to Return and Reunite Cyprus.
"We want to make it clear to all directions that the people of Morphou
and residents of the wider Morphou area will not, under no
circumstances, accept the fait accompli of the invasion.their vision
is to be able to live in a free island without any dividing lines or
occupation troops and enjoy the advantages of the EU together with our
Turkish Cypriot compatriots." Resolution by the Morphou Municipality
on the anniversary of the occupation of the town, August 2003.
Since the occupation of Morphou, its people have become an active part
of the Cypriot opposition to Turkish occupation and a vital focus of
international attention to the Cyprus struggle for justice through
their organizing of various actions including, protest marches, press
statements, resolutions, Friends of Morphou groups and the Annual
Morphou Rally in October each year. These efforts stress their
continued determination to seek peace, a just and viable settlement
and the reunification of Cyprus.
On the 29th anniversary of the occupation of the town Morphou refugees
in a resolution reiterated their call for a united Cyprus and a
solution that safeguards the three fundamental freedoms of movement,
property and settlement, establish the fate of all the missing persons
and implements the 3rd Vienna agreement concerning the rights of the
enclaved Greek Cypriots living in occupied Cyprus.
Morphou Mayor Charalambos Pittas who was accompanied by the town's
municipality and three M.P.'s handed the resolution to Cyprus
President Tassos Papadopoulos and the embassies of the five permanent
members of the UN security Council. Pittas told the Cyprus News Agency
that in the resolution "we express our position that 29 years of
Turkish invasion and occupation are unacceptable, just as the current
situation in Cyprus is unacceptable too."
The resolution asked the governments of the five permanent members of
the Security Council "to exert pressure on Turkey and to work towards
a just and viable solution to the Cyprus problem which should
guarantee a single sovereignty, territorial unity and the integrity of
the Republic of Cyprus, the withdrawal of all Turkish troops and
settlers and the return of all refugees to their homes and
properties."
The Morphou Rally.
"I found one thing particularly touching. After the Morphou rally I
went to the UN open day at the Ledra Palace Hotel and while I was
there I met two people from Morphou who I had seen at the rally. They
were friends. At this bi-communal event I also met two Turkish
Cypriots who were living in their houses in Morphou. The process is
obviously painful, but they were able to discuss the matter in a
sensible way and to recognize the realities of both sides. One of the
Turkish Cypriots was herself a refugee from Limassol. She would like
to return to her home, should a settlement permit that." Andrew
Dismore, Labour MP.
Each year hundreds of Morphou refugees, joined by Cypriot, Greek,
British, Euro MP's, leaders of The Friends of Morphou and Friends of
Cyprus and other political and religious delegates from around the
world hold an annual rally at the Green Line in early October to show
solidarity with the people of Morphou, to protest the continuing
Turkish occupation of northern Cyprus and demand a solution to the
division of Cyprus. Many politicians attend the rally to express their
support for Morphou, including Andrew Dismore, Labour MP, Theresa
Villiers, Conservative MEP, Eric Clarke, Labour MP, the Mayor of
Barnet, Cllr Joan, and Barnet Cllr Victor Lyon among others. The
Barnett Council of London became a twin town to Morphou in 1995 to
further goodwill between the communities and show support for those
Greek Cypriots who have been forced to live in exile.
Speaking at the rally, Theresa Villiers- Conservative MEP for London
said, "It is always a great pleasure to visit Cyprus and meet the
Cypriot people, I am always especially pleased to be invited to go to
the Morphou Rally.It is an honor to have been asked by the displaced
residents of Morphou.It is unacceptable that these people were driven
from their homes and still cannot return after thirty years. Morphou's
twinning with Barnett- part of my own European constituency-gives me
special concern on this issue. I will continue to campaign for a just
solution to the Cyprus problem, creating a free and united Cyprus. I
will also campaign for the residents of Morphou to be able to return
to their homes."
Addressing politicians and hundreds of Morphou refugees at the Green
Line, Councillor Lyon said, "It is a moving experience to be so close
to the border and see the line dividing a nation. We must hope that
the way is now clear for an end to the problem for the benefit of all
the people of Cyprus."
The Search for a Brighter Future in a Reunified Cyprus.
"The Cypriot struggle, the struggle conducted by the people of
Morphou, is a struggle for the rights of all nations around the world
for safeguarding the principles of international law and human rights
which are so severely violated in my country by the Turkish army and
Turkish leadership.Through all I have said I wish to underline my love
for the land I was born in, our love for our occupied town of Morphou
and our determination to continue our fight." Charalambos Pittas,
Mayor of Morphou, speech at the Mayors for Peace Forum, January 16,
2003.
Despite the obstacles, strenuous efforts are continuing to find a
solution to the division of Cyprus and progress is being made. The
2003 opening of barriers on the Green Line has led to increased cracks
in the wall of division and greater trust between the two communities
and raised hopes of a settlement of the conflict. Morphou refugees
felt excited and overjoyed about the prospect of going home after 30
years of exile if the Turkish-occupied town was returned to the
Republic of Cyprus' administration as proposed in the various UN peace
plans, including the Annan Plan. But they also expressed their
disapproval of any plan that ignored the right of all the refugees to
return to their homes and reunification of the island.
Expressing the popular sentiment of most Cypriots Morphou Mayor
Charalambos Pittas said he firmly believed that all the refugees must
be allowed to return to their homes, regardless of which side
ultimately controlled each town. Like most of Morphou's refugees
Pittas is enthusiastic to return to the families' house they left in
1974, but he doesn't want to visit his birthplace as a tourist. He
wants to return to his home for good and is prepared to wait a little
longer to achieve that aim. While the talks go on among the leaders,
the bi-communal contacts between the two communities continue to
develop.
When relatives of Charalambos Pittas visited his home for him, they
were given an old photo album and other personal items that the
Turkish Cypriot occupants of his property had saved for his family.
There have been many similar examples of acts of genuine goodwill and
friendliness between the ordinary people from both communities. While
Mayor Pittas has never met or spoken to retired Turkish Cypriot
geography teacher Aktan Imamzade, he says that he feels no anger
towards him. "I'm sure the same as when I was moved from my house.He
has told my relatives that he is looking after the house. He does not
regard himself as the owner. I have a good feeling about him. And he
has given my relatives the opportunity to go inside the house and take
photos."
"We have to put behind us the past that separates us and look into the
future that unites us. The people of Cyprus, Greek-Cypriots and
Turkish-Cypriots, must live together in a state that respects and
secures all human rights and basic freedoms. Freedom of movement,
freedom of residence and property need to occur.Our children have the
right and we have the obligation to offer our children a reunited and
prosperous Cyprus. Our strong belief is that the communities in
Cyprus, Greek Cypriots.Turkish Cypriots, Maronites, Armenians and
Latins should live in condition of security, prosperity, respect and
mutual understanding in a reunited Cyprus.We seek a state of law for
all Cypriot people irrespective of language, religion, colour or
nationality." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor of Morphou.
One day the displaced people of Morphou will return home permanently,
to live once again in the midst of the fragrant orange blossom
atmosphere of Morphou. Things will never be the same, but in time a
new generation will rebuild the broken lives, communities and
buildings that conflict and division shattered. And may we always
remember the dead-end disaster that extremist nationalism and
partition brought to the people and island, as we continue to strive
for a common future in a renewed, reunified and free Cyprus. So that
the Cypriot people can live together in peace and create a place of
harmony and trust between the communities, in the idyllic paradise
that Cyprus ought to be. In time, this dream will become an inevitable
reality.
* I dedicate this article to the refugees of Morphou, living and
departed, who have hoped, struggled and dreamt of the day of return.
http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2006%20Opinion%20Editorials/October/9%20o/The%20Tenacious%20Exiles%20The%20Struggle%20of%20the%20People%20of%20Morphou%20to%20Return%20By%20Steven%20Katsineris.htm
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I said MY house was looted and set on fire on 1 Jan 1964. That's what I
said. I never said my father's house was burned down. What I said was that
my father was not allowed in his own house when he returned to Cyprus in the
late 70s.

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Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his
village in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed
in his own house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my
father's name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Your fathers house was burned down by the Turkish state sponsored TMT
terrorists organisation so how can he go back to a ruin or are you lying
again as usual ?
Sorry to inform you but my father's house is still standing as
prominently as ever right on the village square as is my grandfather's
house right next to it on the other side of the street leading off the
village square.
Guess what Aggie, you ARE a tosser, aren't you?
Guess what you are Vasifi. A LIAR.
In a previous post you said your fathers house was burned down. In a
different pose you said that you did not inherit any of you fathers
property and now not only are you claiming that the house in question is
still standing but that you want it back, when you are not even the owner.
Your story is not consistent which makes you a LIAR !
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Now what have you got to say to THAT?!
You have only Turkey to blame.
Why don't you demand that all Turkish troops and colonists are removed
from Cyprus soil so that all the Greek Cypriot refugees can return to
their homes including over 150,000 who are still being housed in refugee
camps in abandoned Turkish Cypriot villages, or do you want to drive
them into the sea like you did with over 300,000 Greeks who you
exterminated in Smyrna ?
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The Tenacious Exiles: The Struggle of the People of Morphou to Return
By Steven Katsineris
Al-Jazeerah, October 9, 2006
"We live and breathe with one hope and one dream: to return to
Morphou. Even the young people who never saw Morphou live with this
dream. The town of Morphou exists for our children because we have
told them about it. My daughter knows everything about it through the
pictures, videos and stories of her grandparents. She knows all about
the orchards we had in Morphou." Charalambos Pittas Mayor of the
Turkish-occupied town of Morphou, Cyprus.
Morphou is located in the northwestern part of Cyprus, 30 miles from
the capital Nicosia. The Plain of Morphou is one of the richest and
most fertile areas of Cyprus and Morphou soon grew into a significant
market town. Due to the abundance of underground water and irrigation
agriculture developed quickly in the area, with a variety of crops
grown including apples, vegetables, legumes, grains, taro, sesame,
melons and citrus. Over time there was a large increase in the
cultivation of citrus. Morphou became the main center of citrus
growing in Cyprus and famous for its orange, lemon and grapefruit
orchards. In 1974 Morphou and the surrounding villages produced 51% of
the citrus fruit grown in Cyprus. The inhabitants of Morphou founded
the Cooperative Organization Disposal Citrus Morphou (SODEM) to
promote Cypriot citrus abroad. The cooperative also built a plant that
canned juices.
The name Morphou (meaning beautiful place) dates back to ancient times
and is associated with the Goddess Aphrodite (the goddess of love and
beauty). The Lacones or Spartans originally settled Morphou and they
brought with them the worship of Aphrodite and named the town after
her beauty. Near Morphou lie the ruins of the ancient city of Soloi,
one of the ten ancient kingdoms of Cyprus. Numerous archaeological
discoveries have been made around Morphou reinforcing the connection
to the cult of Aphrodite, including the statue named the Aphrodite of
Soloi.
Under British rule, in 1896, Morphou was established as a
municipality. Before the Turkish invasion, Morphou had a mainly Greek
Cypriot population of about 9,000 people. On August 16, 1974 Morphou
and the adjacent area were occupied by Turkish troops and its people
were forcibly expelled or fled from the town. Since then the displaced
Greek Cypriot residents have been forbidden to return to their homes
and orchards. The Morphou Town Council has since been based in
Limmasol on the south coast. The Turkish invasion of northern Cyprus
in the summer of 1974 left 200,000 refugees, thousands dead and
hundreds missing. Of the 1,618 missing persons 140 of them came from
the Morphou region.
Turkish-Occupied Morphou.
"My country, the small island of Cyprus has been under occupation
since August 1974, when Turkey invaded and forcefully occupied 38% of
our land. Part of this occupied land is my town, the town of Morphou,
of which I am currently the mayor in exile." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor
of Morphou.
Due to the Turkish army's military onslaught the Greek Cypriots
inhabitants of Morphou were forced to abandon their homes and
properties. After the Turkish forces captured Morphou the empty houses
were allocated to Turkish Cypriot refugees and later arriving settlers
from Turkey. Morphou's name was changed to Guzelyurt (in Turkish
meaning beautiful country). At present the population of Morphou is
about 12,000 of which about 500 are its original Turkish Cypriot
inhabitants, some Turkish Cypriots from the government controlled
south of Cyprus and thousands of Turkish settlers.
The once lovely town is now fairly bleak and dilapidated, with most
houses in poor condition or rundown decaying ruins. Since 1974 the
majority of Morphou's inhabitants have not bothered to paint or repair
the houses because the Turkish authorities have not encouraged the
town as a feasible long-term settlement. Morphou has always been
viewed as a region to be traded or conceded in the event of a partial
settlement or some sort of resolution to the Cyprus problem. While the
people now living in Morphou have felt transitory they have been
afraid to construct new dwellings or properly maintain the homes they
live in. Many of the older houses are built of mud brick, which is
suited to the hot Cypriot climate, but over time without good
maintenance water seeps in and the bricks turn to sludge and the
houses begin to fall apart. Many of the people are also unemployed,
poor and unable to afford repairs. The families of the region even
bury their dead in cemeteries in Nicosia rather than in the Morphou
area. There is an atmosphere of doubt, depression and hopelessness
among the residents.
Most of Morphou's Turkish Cypriots Want a Settlement.
"We need to get a solution. We need to do something about this.we just
want peace. We are literally prisoners-our only crime is to be Turkish
Cypriots. Our occupiers are turning against us. Now they want to
occupy us forever." Doganci village farmer (Morphou region) Etem
Tabak, from the Doganci Peace Movement.
Many of the Turkish Cypriot residents of Morphou and nearby Zodia
village have been actively involved in demonstrations in support of a
Cyprus settlement. While some Turkish Cypriots and Turkish settlers
are concerned about the impact of any territorial adjustments or of
living in mixed communities again, others are eager about the
prospects of a unified Cyprus and of welcoming back Greek Cypriots to
the Morphou district. For instance, the 1,500 Turkish Cypriot
residents of Doganci village have been very active, organizing many
peace rallies, street marches and other protests. Despite police
arrests of organizers and speakers the villagers have continued to
remain defiant. The village coffee shop is the vocal point for
political debate and planning demonstrations. The villagers also
gather to hear local bands playing. The most popular song in the
village is, "Cyprus is our prison and we are the prisoners. The Line
is the prison bar and Denktash is the guard."
In the last Turkish Cypriot elections in December 2003, over 54% of
the population of the area voted for pro-settlement parties, like the
Peace and Democracy Movement, the Republican Turkish Party and the
Settlement and EU Party, knowing that they would be the most affected
by any settlement, since the region would be given back to the Cyprus
government if the Annan Plan was accepted. Mustafa Akinci, leader of
the Peace and Democracy Movement said, "I believe the first input the
Cypriot Turk would receive from a settlement would to eliminate
uncertainty.We just mentioned Guzelyurt.They were neglecting the
maintenance of their houses because there was uncertainty. On every
map, discussion of their area was included in the territory to be
handed over to the Cypriot Greeks."
While territorial adjustments would allow most of Morphou's Greek
Cypriot residents to return, the vast majority of Cypriots, Greek and
Turkish alike want a viable, comprehensible and lasting settlement to
the division of Cyprus that will let them live together in a united
Cyprus. Territorial changes in the Turkish-occupied north that hand
over the Morphou region to the free areas of the Republic of Cyprus
are not a real and durable solution to the Cyprus problem.
The Steadfast Refugees of Morphou Fight to Return and Reunite Cyprus.
"We want to make it clear to all directions that the people of Morphou
and residents of the wider Morphou area will not, under no
circumstances, accept the fait accompli of the invasion.their vision
is to be able to live in a free island without any dividing lines or
occupation troops and enjoy the advantages of the EU together with our
Turkish Cypriot compatriots." Resolution by the Morphou Municipality
on the anniversary of the occupation of the town, August 2003.
Since the occupation of Morphou, its people have become an active part
of the Cypriot opposition to Turkish occupation and a vital focus of
international attention to the Cyprus struggle for justice through
their organizing of various actions including, protest marches, press
statements, resolutions, Friends of Morphou groups and the Annual
Morphou Rally in October each year. These efforts stress their
continued determination to seek peace, a just and viable settlement
and the reunification of Cyprus.
On the 29th anniversary of the occupation of the town Morphou refugees
in a resolution reiterated their call for a united Cyprus and a
solution that safeguards the three fundamental freedoms of movement,
property and settlement, establish the fate of all the missing persons
and implements the 3rd Vienna agreement concerning the rights of the
enclaved Greek Cypriots living in occupied Cyprus.
Morphou Mayor Charalambos Pittas who was accompanied by the town's
municipality and three M.P.'s handed the resolution to Cyprus
President Tassos Papadopoulos and the embassies of the five permanent
members of the UN security Council. Pittas told the Cyprus News Agency
that in the resolution "we express our position that 29 years of
Turkish invasion and occupation are unacceptable, just as the current
situation in Cyprus is unacceptable too."
The resolution asked the governments of the five permanent members of
the Security Council "to exert pressure on Turkey and to work towards
a just and viable solution to the Cyprus problem which should
guarantee a single sovereignty, territorial unity and the integrity of
the Republic of Cyprus, the withdrawal of all Turkish troops and
settlers and the return of all refugees to their homes and
properties."
The Morphou Rally.
"I found one thing particularly touching. After the Morphou rally I
went to the UN open day at the Ledra Palace Hotel and while I was
there I met two people from Morphou who I had seen at the rally. They
were friends. At this bi-communal event I also met two Turkish
Cypriots who were living in their houses in Morphou. The process is
obviously painful, but they were able to discuss the matter in a
sensible way and to recognize the realities of both sides. One of the
Turkish Cypriots was herself a refugee from Limassol. She would like
to return to her home, should a settlement permit that." Andrew
Dismore, Labour MP.
Each year hundreds of Morphou refugees, joined by Cypriot, Greek,
British, Euro MP's, leaders of The Friends of Morphou and Friends of
Cyprus and other political and religious delegates from around the
world hold an annual rally at the Green Line in early October to show
solidarity with the people of Morphou, to protest the continuing
Turkish occupation of northern Cyprus and demand a solution to the
division of Cyprus. Many politicians attend the rally to express their
support for Morphou, including Andrew Dismore, Labour MP, Theresa
Villiers, Conservative MEP, Eric Clarke, Labour MP, the Mayor of
Barnet, Cllr Joan, and Barnet Cllr Victor Lyon among others. The
Barnett Council of London became a twin town to Morphou in 1995 to
further goodwill between the communities and show support for those
Greek Cypriots who have been forced to live in exile.
Speaking at the rally, Theresa Villiers- Conservative MEP for London
said, "It is always a great pleasure to visit Cyprus and meet the
Cypriot people, I am always especially pleased to be invited to go to
the Morphou Rally.It is an honor to have been asked by the displaced
residents of Morphou.It is unacceptable that these people were driven
from their homes and still cannot return after thirty years. Morphou's
twinning with Barnett- part of my own European constituency-gives me
special concern on this issue. I will continue to campaign for a just
solution to the Cyprus problem, creating a free and united Cyprus. I
will also campaign for the residents of Morphou to be able to return
to their homes."
Addressing politicians and hundreds of Morphou refugees at the Green
Line, Councillor Lyon said, "It is a moving experience to be so close
to the border and see the line dividing a nation. We must hope that
the way is now clear for an end to the problem for the benefit of all
the people of Cyprus."
The Search for a Brighter Future in a Reunified Cyprus.
"The Cypriot struggle, the struggle conducted by the people of
Morphou, is a struggle for the rights of all nations around the world
for safeguarding the principles of international law and human rights
which are so severely violated in my country by the Turkish army and
Turkish leadership.Through all I have said I wish to underline my love
for the land I was born in, our love for our occupied town of Morphou
and our determination to continue our fight." Charalambos Pittas,
Mayor of Morphou, speech at the Mayors for Peace Forum, January 16,
2003.
Despite the obstacles, strenuous efforts are continuing to find a
solution to the division of Cyprus and progress is being made. The
2003 opening of barriers on the Green Line has led to increased cracks
in the wall of division and greater trust between the two communities
and raised hopes of a settlement of the conflict. Morphou refugees
felt excited and overjoyed about the prospect of going home after 30
years of exile if the Turkish-occupied town was returned to the
Republic of Cyprus' administration as proposed in the various UN peace
plans, including the Annan Plan. But they also expressed their
disapproval of any plan that ignored the right of all the refugees to
return to their homes and reunification of the island.
Expressing the popular sentiment of most Cypriots Morphou Mayor
Charalambos Pittas said he firmly believed that all the refugees must
be allowed to return to their homes, regardless of which side
ultimately controlled each town. Like most of Morphou's refugees
Pittas is enthusiastic to return to the families' house they left in
1974, but he doesn't want to visit his birthplace as a tourist. He
wants to return to his home for good and is prepared to wait a little
longer to achieve that aim. While the talks go on among the leaders,
the bi-communal contacts between the two communities continue to
develop.
When relatives of Charalambos Pittas visited his home for him, they
were given an old photo album and other personal items that the
Turkish Cypriot occupants of his property had saved for his family.
There have been many similar examples of acts of genuine goodwill and
friendliness between the ordinary people from both communities. While
Mayor Pittas has never met or spoken to retired Turkish Cypriot
geography teacher Aktan Imamzade, he says that he feels no anger
towards him. "I'm sure the same as when I was moved from my house.He
has told my relatives that he is looking after the house. He does not
regard himself as the owner. I have a good feeling about him. And he
has given my relatives the opportunity to go inside the house and take
photos."
"We have to put behind us the past that separates us and look into the
future that unites us. The people of Cyprus, Greek-Cypriots and
Turkish-Cypriots, must live together in a state that respects and
secures all human rights and basic freedoms. Freedom of movement,
freedom of residence and property need to occur.Our children have the
right and we have the obligation to offer our children a reunited and
prosperous Cyprus. Our strong belief is that the communities in
Cyprus, Greek Cypriots.Turkish Cypriots, Maronites, Armenians and
Latins should live in condition of security, prosperity, respect and
mutual understanding in a reunited Cyprus.We seek a state of law for
all Cypriot people irrespective of language, religion, colour or
nationality." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor of Morphou.
One day the displaced people of Morphou will return home permanently,
to live once again in the midst of the fragrant orange blossom
atmosphere of Morphou. Things will never be the same, but in time a
new generation will rebuild the broken lives, communities and
buildings that conflict and division shattered. And may we always
remember the dead-end disaster that extremist nationalism and
partition brought to the people and island, as we continue to strive
for a common future in a renewed, reunified and free Cyprus. So that
the Cypriot people can live together in peace and create a place of
harmony and trust between the communities, in the idyllic paradise
that Cyprus ought to be. In time, this dream will become an inevitable
reality.
* I dedicate this article to the refugees of Morphou, living and
departed, who have hoped, struggled and dreamt of the day of return.
http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2006%20Opinion%20Editorials/October/9%20o/The%20Tenacious%20Exiles%20The%20Struggle%20of%20the%20People%20of%20Morphou%20to%20Return%20By%20Steven%20Katsineris.htm
Panta Rhei
2006-10-10 17:07:51 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
I said MY house was looted and set on fire on 1 Jan 1964. That's what I
said. I never said my father's house was burned down. What I said was that
my father was not allowed in his own house when he returned to Cyprus in the
late 70s.
Get your facts straight and stop getting all your facts fucked up.
You can say a lot of things, slimy Turk! But who will believe a talking
piece of shit such as you are? Another rotten, lying Turk like you
probably. <BG>
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gogu
2006-10-10 20:12:21 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
I said MY house was looted and set on fire on 1 Jan 1964. That's what I
said. I never said my father's house was burned down.
You are drowning in your own lies and you are resorting in word plays...
Sad old man (?...)...
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Post by choro-nik
What I said was that my father was not allowed in his own house when he
returned to Cyprus in the late 70s.
Get your facts straight and stop getting all your facts fucked up.
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Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his
village in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not
allowed in his own house. A house that he owned. A house with title
deeds in my father's name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Your fathers house was burned down by the Turkish state sponsored TMT
terrorists organisation so how can he go back to a ruin or are you
lying again as usual ?
Sorry to inform you but my father's house is still standing as
prominently as ever right on the village square as is my grandfather's
house right next to it on the other side of the street leading off the
village square.
Guess what Aggie, you ARE a tosser, aren't you?
Guess what you are Vasifi. A LIAR.
In a previous post you said your fathers house was burned down. In a
different pose you said that you did not inherit any of you fathers
property and now not only are you claiming that the house in question is
still standing but that you want it back, when you are not even the owner.
Your story is not consistent which makes you a LIAR !
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Now what have you got to say to THAT?!
You have only Turkey to blame.
Why don't you demand that all Turkish troops and colonists are removed
from Cyprus soil so that all the Greek Cypriot refugees can return to
their homes including over 150,000 who are still being housed in
refugee camps in abandoned Turkish Cypriot villages, or do you want to
drive them into the sea like you did with over 300,000 Greeks who you
exterminated in Smyrna ?
Post by choro-nik
You can't eat your cake and have it too, you know.
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Post by Agamemnon
The Tenacious Exiles: The Struggle of the People of Morphou to Return
By Steven Katsineris
Al-Jazeerah, October 9, 2006
"We live and breathe with one hope and one dream: to return to
Morphou. Even the young people who never saw Morphou live with this
dream. The town of Morphou exists for our children because we have
told them about it. My daughter knows everything about it through the
pictures, videos and stories of her grandparents. She knows all about
the orchards we had in Morphou." Charalambos Pittas Mayor of the
Turkish-occupied town of Morphou, Cyprus.
Morphou is located in the northwestern part of Cyprus, 30 miles from
the capital Nicosia. The Plain of Morphou is one of the richest and
most fertile areas of Cyprus and Morphou soon grew into a significant
market town. Due to the abundance of underground water and irrigation
agriculture developed quickly in the area, with a variety of crops
grown including apples, vegetables, legumes, grains, taro, sesame,
melons and citrus. Over time there was a large increase in the
cultivation of citrus. Morphou became the main center of citrus
growing in Cyprus and famous for its orange, lemon and grapefruit
orchards. In 1974 Morphou and the surrounding villages produced 51%
of the citrus fruit grown in Cyprus. The inhabitants of Morphou
founded the Cooperative Organization Disposal Citrus Morphou (SODEM)
to promote Cypriot citrus abroad. The cooperative also built a plant
that canned juices.
The name Morphou (meaning beautiful place) dates back to ancient
times and is associated with the Goddess Aphrodite (the goddess of
love and beauty). The Lacones or Spartans originally settled Morphou
and they brought with them the worship of Aphrodite and named the
town after her beauty. Near Morphou lie the ruins of the ancient city
of Soloi, one of the ten ancient kingdoms of Cyprus. Numerous
archaeological discoveries have been made around Morphou reinforcing
the connection to the cult of Aphrodite, including the statue named
the Aphrodite of Soloi.
Under British rule, in 1896, Morphou was established as a
municipality. Before the Turkish invasion, Morphou had a mainly Greek
Cypriot population of about 9,000 people. On August 16, 1974 Morphou
and the adjacent area were occupied by Turkish troops and its people
were forcibly expelled or fled from the town. Since then the
displaced Greek Cypriot residents have been forbidden to return to
their homes and orchards. The Morphou Town Council has since been
based in Limmasol on the south coast. The Turkish invasion of
northern Cyprus in the summer of 1974 left 200,000 refugees,
thousands dead and hundreds missing. Of the 1,618 missing persons 140
of them came from the Morphou region.
Turkish-Occupied Morphou.
"My country, the small island of Cyprus has been under occupation
since August 1974, when Turkey invaded and forcefully occupied 38% of
our land. Part of this occupied land is my town, the town of Morphou,
of which I am currently the mayor in exile." Charalambos Pittas,
Mayor of Morphou.
Due to the Turkish army's military onslaught the Greek Cypriots
inhabitants of Morphou were forced to abandon their homes and
properties. After the Turkish forces captured Morphou the empty
houses were allocated to Turkish Cypriot refugees and later arriving
settlers from Turkey. Morphou's name was changed to Guzelyurt (in
Turkish meaning beautiful country). At present the population of
Morphou is about 12,000 of which about 500 are its original Turkish
Cypriot inhabitants, some Turkish Cypriots from the government
controlled south of Cyprus and thousands of Turkish settlers.
The once lovely town is now fairly bleak and dilapidated, with most
houses in poor condition or rundown decaying ruins. Since 1974 the
majority of Morphou's inhabitants have not bothered to paint or
repair the houses because the Turkish authorities have not encouraged
the town as a feasible long-term settlement. Morphou has always been
viewed as a region to be traded or conceded in the event of a partial
settlement or some sort of resolution to the Cyprus problem. While
the people now living in Morphou have felt transitory they have been
afraid to construct new dwellings or properly maintain the homes they
live in. Many of the older houses are built of mud brick, which is
suited to the hot Cypriot climate, but over time without good
maintenance water seeps in and the bricks turn to sludge and the
houses begin to fall apart. Many of the people are also unemployed,
poor and unable to afford repairs. The families of the region even
bury their dead in cemeteries in Nicosia rather than in the Morphou
area. There is an atmosphere of doubt, depression and hopelessness
among the residents.
Most of Morphou's Turkish Cypriots Want a Settlement.
"We need to get a solution. We need to do something about this.we
just want peace. We are literally prisoners-our only crime is to be
Turkish Cypriots. Our occupiers are turning against us. Now they want
to occupy us forever." Doganci village farmer (Morphou region) Etem
Tabak, from the Doganci Peace Movement.
Many of the Turkish Cypriot residents of Morphou and nearby Zodia
village have been actively involved in demonstrations in support of a
Cyprus settlement. While some Turkish Cypriots and Turkish settlers
are concerned about the impact of any territorial adjustments or of
living in mixed communities again, others are eager about the
prospects of a unified Cyprus and of welcoming back Greek Cypriots to
the Morphou district. For instance, the 1,500 Turkish Cypriot
residents of Doganci village have been very active, organizing many
peace rallies, street marches and other protests. Despite police
arrests of organizers and speakers the villagers have continued to
remain defiant. The village coffee shop is the vocal point for
political debate and planning demonstrations. The villagers also
gather to hear local bands playing. The most popular song in the
village is, "Cyprus is our prison and we are the prisoners. The Line
is the prison bar and Denktash is the guard."
In the last Turkish Cypriot elections in December 2003, over 54% of
the population of the area voted for pro-settlement parties, like the
Peace and Democracy Movement, the Republican Turkish Party and the
Settlement and EU Party, knowing that they would be the most affected
by any settlement, since the region would be given back to the Cyprus
government if the Annan Plan was accepted. Mustafa Akinci, leader of
the Peace and Democracy Movement said, "I believe the first input the
Cypriot Turk would receive from a settlement would to eliminate
uncertainty.We just mentioned Guzelyurt.They were neglecting the
maintenance of their houses because there was uncertainty. On every
map, discussion of their area was included in the territory to be
handed over to the Cypriot Greeks."
While territorial adjustments would allow most of Morphou's Greek
Cypriot residents to return, the vast majority of Cypriots, Greek and
Turkish alike want a viable, comprehensible and lasting settlement to
the division of Cyprus that will let them live together in a united
Cyprus. Territorial changes in the Turkish-occupied north that hand
over the Morphou region to the free areas of the Republic of Cyprus
are not a real and durable solution to the Cyprus problem.
The Steadfast Refugees of Morphou Fight to Return and Reunite Cyprus.
"We want to make it clear to all directions that the people of
Morphou and residents of the wider Morphou area will not, under no
circumstances, accept the fait accompli of the invasion.their vision
is to be able to live in a free island without any dividing lines or
occupation troops and enjoy the advantages of the EU together with
our Turkish Cypriot compatriots." Resolution by the Morphou
Municipality on the anniversary of the occupation of the town, August
2003.
Since the occupation of Morphou, its people have become an active
part of the Cypriot opposition to Turkish occupation and a vital
focus of international attention to the Cyprus struggle for justice
through their organizing of various actions including, protest
marches, press statements, resolutions, Friends of Morphou groups and
the Annual Morphou Rally in October each year. These efforts stress
their continued determination to seek peace, a just and viable
settlement and the reunification of Cyprus.
On the 29th anniversary of the occupation of the town Morphou
refugees in a resolution reiterated their call for a united Cyprus
and a solution that safeguards the three fundamental freedoms of
movement, property and settlement, establish the fate of all the
missing persons and implements the 3rd Vienna agreement concerning
the rights of the enclaved Greek Cypriots living in occupied Cyprus.
Morphou Mayor Charalambos Pittas who was accompanied by the town's
municipality and three M.P.'s handed the resolution to Cyprus
President Tassos Papadopoulos and the embassies of the five permanent
members of the UN security Council. Pittas told the Cyprus News
Agency that in the resolution "we express our position that 29 years
of Turkish invasion and occupation are unacceptable, just as the
current situation in Cyprus is unacceptable too."
The resolution asked the governments of the five permanent members of
the Security Council "to exert pressure on Turkey and to work towards
a just and viable solution to the Cyprus problem which should
guarantee a single sovereignty, territorial unity and the integrity
of the Republic of Cyprus, the withdrawal of all Turkish troops and
settlers and the return of all refugees to their homes and
properties."
The Morphou Rally.
"I found one thing particularly touching. After the Morphou rally I
went to the UN open day at the Ledra Palace Hotel and while I was
there I met two people from Morphou who I had seen at the rally. They
were friends. At this bi-communal event I also met two Turkish
Cypriots who were living in their houses in Morphou. The process is
obviously painful, but they were able to discuss the matter in a
sensible way and to recognize the realities of both sides. One of the
Turkish Cypriots was herself a refugee from Limassol. She would like
to return to her home, should a settlement permit that." Andrew
Dismore, Labour MP.
Each year hundreds of Morphou refugees, joined by Cypriot, Greek,
British, Euro MP's, leaders of The Friends of Morphou and Friends of
Cyprus and other political and religious delegates from around the
world hold an annual rally at the Green Line in early October to show
solidarity with the people of Morphou, to protest the continuing
Turkish occupation of northern Cyprus and demand a solution to the
division of Cyprus. Many politicians attend the rally to express
their support for Morphou, including Andrew Dismore, Labour MP,
Theresa Villiers, Conservative MEP, Eric Clarke, Labour MP, the Mayor
of Barnet, Cllr Joan, and Barnet Cllr Victor Lyon among others. The
Barnett Council of London became a twin town to Morphou in 1995 to
further goodwill between the communities and show support for those
Greek Cypriots who have been forced to live in exile.
Speaking at the rally, Theresa Villiers- Conservative MEP for London
said, "It is always a great pleasure to visit Cyprus and meet the
Cypriot people, I am always especially pleased to be invited to go to
the Morphou Rally.It is an honor to have been asked by the displaced
residents of Morphou.It is unacceptable that these people were driven
from their homes and still cannot return after thirty years.
Morphou's twinning with Barnett- part of my own European
constituency-gives me special concern on this issue. I will continue
to campaign for a just solution to the Cyprus problem, creating a
free and united Cyprus. I will also campaign for the residents of
Morphou to be able to return to their homes."
Addressing politicians and hundreds of Morphou refugees at the Green
Line, Councillor Lyon said, "It is a moving experience to be so close
to the border and see the line dividing a nation. We must hope that
the way is now clear for an end to the problem for the benefit of all
the people of Cyprus."
The Search for a Brighter Future in a Reunified Cyprus.
"The Cypriot struggle, the struggle conducted by the people of
Morphou, is a struggle for the rights of all nations around the world
for safeguarding the principles of international law and human rights
which are so severely violated in my country by the Turkish army and
Turkish leadership.Through all I have said I wish to underline my
love for the land I was born in, our love for our occupied town of
Morphou and our determination to continue our fight." Charalambos
Pittas, Mayor of Morphou, speech at the Mayors for Peace Forum,
January 16, 2003.
Despite the obstacles, strenuous efforts are continuing to find a
solution to the division of Cyprus and progress is being made. The
2003 opening of barriers on the Green Line has led to increased
cracks in the wall of division and greater trust between the two
communities and raised hopes of a settlement of the conflict. Morphou
refugees felt excited and overjoyed about the prospect of going home
after 30 years of exile if the Turkish-occupied town was returned to
the Republic of Cyprus' administration as proposed in the various UN
peace plans, including the Annan Plan. But they also expressed their
disapproval of any plan that ignored the right of all the refugees to
return to their homes and reunification of the island.
Expressing the popular sentiment of most Cypriots Morphou Mayor
Charalambos Pittas said he firmly believed that all the refugees must
be allowed to return to their homes, regardless of which side
ultimately controlled each town. Like most of Morphou's refugees
Pittas is enthusiastic to return to the families' house they left in
1974, but he doesn't want to visit his birthplace as a tourist. He
wants to return to his home for good and is prepared to wait a little
longer to achieve that aim. While the talks go on among the leaders,
the bi-communal contacts between the two communities continue to
develop.
When relatives of Charalambos Pittas visited his home for him, they
were given an old photo album and other personal items that the
Turkish Cypriot occupants of his property had saved for his family.
There have been many similar examples of acts of genuine goodwill and
friendliness between the ordinary people from both communities. While
Mayor Pittas has never met or spoken to retired Turkish Cypriot
geography teacher Aktan Imamzade, he says that he feels no anger
towards him. "I'm sure the same as when I was moved from my house.He
has told my relatives that he is looking after the house. He does not
regard himself as the owner. I have a good feeling about him. And he
has given my relatives the opportunity to go inside the house and
take photos."
"We have to put behind us the past that separates us and look into
the future that unites us. The people of Cyprus, Greek-Cypriots and
Turkish-Cypriots, must live together in a state that respects and
secures all human rights and basic freedoms. Freedom of movement,
freedom of residence and property need to occur.Our children have the
right and we have the obligation to offer our children a reunited and
prosperous Cyprus. Our strong belief is that the communities in
Cyprus, Greek Cypriots.Turkish Cypriots, Maronites, Armenians and
Latins should live in condition of security, prosperity, respect and
mutual understanding in a reunited Cyprus.We seek a state of law for
all Cypriot people irrespective of language, religion, colour or
nationality." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor of Morphou.
One day the displaced people of Morphou will return home permanently,
to live once again in the midst of the fragrant orange blossom
atmosphere of Morphou. Things will never be the same, but in time a
new generation will rebuild the broken lives, communities and
buildings that conflict and division shattered. And may we always
remember the dead-end disaster that extremist nationalism and
partition brought to the people and island, as we continue to strive
for a common future in a renewed, reunified and free Cyprus. So that
the Cypriot people can live together in peace and create a place of
harmony and trust between the communities, in the idyllic paradise
that Cyprus ought to be. In time, this dream will become an
inevitable reality.
* I dedicate this article to the refugees of Morphou, living and
departed, who have hoped, struggled and dreamt of the day of return.
http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2006%20Opinion%20Editorials/October/9%20o/The%20Tenacious%20Exiles%20The%20Struggle%20of%20the%20People%20of%20Morphou%20to%20Return%20By%20Steven%20Katsineris.htm
choro-nik
2006-10-10 23:39:25 UTC
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BBC film archives do not lie. My burnt out house was shown on BBC TV on New
Year's Day 1964. It made the news on the same day because it was set on fire
in the morning.

You obviously do not like facts that prove your evil intentions. But facts
are facts and they keep on haunting you.

You reap what you sow. The chickens always come home to roost.
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Post by choro-nik
I said MY house was looted and set on fire on 1 Jan 1964. That's what I
said. I never said my father's house was burned down.
You are drowning in your own lies and you are resorting in word plays...
Sad old man (?...)...
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Post by choro-nik
What I said was that my father was not allowed in his own house when he
returned to Cyprus in the late 70s.
Get your facts straight and stop getting all your facts fucked up.
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Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his
village in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not
allowed in his own house. A house that he owned. A house with title
deeds in my father's name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Your fathers house was burned down by the Turkish state sponsored TMT
terrorists organisation so how can he go back to a ruin or are you
lying again as usual ?
Sorry to inform you but my father's house is still standing as
prominently as ever right on the village square as is my grandfather's
house right next to it on the other side of the street leading off the
village square.
Guess what Aggie, you ARE a tosser, aren't you?
Guess what you are Vasifi. A LIAR.
In a previous post you said your fathers house was burned down. In a
different pose you said that you did not inherit any of you fathers
property and now not only are you claiming that the house in question is
still standing but that you want it back, when you are not even the owner.
Your story is not consistent which makes you a LIAR !
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Now what have you got to say to THAT?!
You have only Turkey to blame.
Why don't you demand that all Turkish troops and colonists are removed
from Cyprus soil so that all the Greek Cypriot refugees can return to
their homes including over 150,000 who are still being housed in
refugee camps in abandoned Turkish Cypriot villages, or do you want to
drive them into the sea like you did with over 300,000 Greeks who you
exterminated in Smyrna ?
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You can't eat your cake and have it too, you know.
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The Tenacious Exiles: The Struggle of the People of Morphou to Return
By Steven Katsineris
Al-Jazeerah, October 9, 2006
"We live and breathe with one hope and one dream: to return to
Morphou. Even the young people who never saw Morphou live with this
dream. The town of Morphou exists for our children because we have
told them about it. My daughter knows everything about it through the
pictures, videos and stories of her grandparents. She knows all about
the orchards we had in Morphou." Charalambos Pittas Mayor of the
Turkish-occupied town of Morphou, Cyprus.
Morphou is located in the northwestern part of Cyprus, 30 miles from
the capital Nicosia. The Plain of Morphou is one of the richest and
most fertile areas of Cyprus and Morphou soon grew into a significant
market town. Due to the abundance of underground water and irrigation
agriculture developed quickly in the area, with a variety of crops
grown including apples, vegetables, legumes, grains, taro, sesame,
melons and citrus. Over time there was a large increase in the
cultivation of citrus. Morphou became the main center of citrus
growing in Cyprus and famous for its orange, lemon and grapefruit
orchards. In 1974 Morphou and the surrounding villages produced 51%
of the citrus fruit grown in Cyprus. The inhabitants of Morphou
founded the Cooperative Organization Disposal Citrus Morphou (SODEM)
to promote Cypriot citrus abroad. The cooperative also built a plant
that canned juices.
The name Morphou (meaning beautiful place) dates back to ancient
times and is associated with the Goddess Aphrodite (the goddess of
love and beauty). The Lacones or Spartans originally settled Morphou
and they brought with them the worship of Aphrodite and named the
town after her beauty. Near Morphou lie the ruins of the ancient city
of Soloi, one of the ten ancient kingdoms of Cyprus. Numerous
archaeological discoveries have been made around Morphou reinforcing
the connection to the cult of Aphrodite, including the statue named
the Aphrodite of Soloi.
Under British rule, in 1896, Morphou was established as a
municipality. Before the Turkish invasion, Morphou had a mainly Greek
Cypriot population of about 9,000 people. On August 16, 1974 Morphou
and the adjacent area were occupied by Turkish troops and its people
were forcibly expelled or fled from the town. Since then the
displaced Greek Cypriot residents have been forbidden to return to
their homes and orchards. The Morphou Town Council has since been
based in Limmasol on the south coast. The Turkish invasion of
northern Cyprus in the summer of 1974 left 200,000 refugees,
thousands dead and hundreds missing. Of the 1,618 missing persons 140
of them came from the Morphou region.
Turkish-Occupied Morphou.
"My country, the small island of Cyprus has been under occupation
since August 1974, when Turkey invaded and forcefully occupied 38% of
our land. Part of this occupied land is my town, the town of Morphou,
of which I am currently the mayor in exile." Charalambos Pittas,
Mayor of Morphou.
Due to the Turkish army's military onslaught the Greek Cypriots
inhabitants of Morphou were forced to abandon their homes and
properties. After the Turkish forces captured Morphou the empty
houses were allocated to Turkish Cypriot refugees and later arriving
settlers from Turkey. Morphou's name was changed to Guzelyurt (in
Turkish meaning beautiful country). At present the population of
Morphou is about 12,000 of which about 500 are its original Turkish
Cypriot inhabitants, some Turkish Cypriots from the government
controlled south of Cyprus and thousands of Turkish settlers.
The once lovely town is now fairly bleak and dilapidated, with most
houses in poor condition or rundown decaying ruins. Since 1974 the
majority of Morphou's inhabitants have not bothered to paint or
repair the houses because the Turkish authorities have not encouraged
the town as a feasible long-term settlement. Morphou has always been
viewed as a region to be traded or conceded in the event of a partial
settlement or some sort of resolution to the Cyprus problem. While
the people now living in Morphou have felt transitory they have been
afraid to construct new dwellings or properly maintain the homes they
live in. Many of the older houses are built of mud brick, which is
suited to the hot Cypriot climate, but over time without good
maintenance water seeps in and the bricks turn to sludge and the
houses begin to fall apart. Many of the people are also unemployed,
poor and unable to afford repairs. The families of the region even
bury their dead in cemeteries in Nicosia rather than in the Morphou
area. There is an atmosphere of doubt, depression and hopelessness
among the residents.
Most of Morphou's Turkish Cypriots Want a Settlement.
"We need to get a solution. We need to do something about this.we
just want peace. We are literally prisoners-our only crime is to be
Turkish Cypriots. Our occupiers are turning against us. Now they want
to occupy us forever." Doganci village farmer (Morphou region) Etem
Tabak, from the Doganci Peace Movement.
Many of the Turkish Cypriot residents of Morphou and nearby Zodia
village have been actively involved in demonstrations in support of a
Cyprus settlement. While some Turkish Cypriots and Turkish settlers
are concerned about the impact of any territorial adjustments or of
living in mixed communities again, others are eager about the
prospects of a unified Cyprus and of welcoming back Greek Cypriots to
the Morphou district. For instance, the 1,500 Turkish Cypriot
residents of Doganci village have been very active, organizing many
peace rallies, street marches and other protests. Despite police
arrests of organizers and speakers the villagers have continued to
remain defiant. The village coffee shop is the vocal point for
political debate and planning demonstrations. The villagers also
gather to hear local bands playing. The most popular song in the
village is, "Cyprus is our prison and we are the prisoners. The Line
is the prison bar and Denktash is the guard."
In the last Turkish Cypriot elections in December 2003, over 54% of
the population of the area voted for pro-settlement parties, like the
Peace and Democracy Movement, the Republican Turkish Party and the
Settlement and EU Party, knowing that they would be the most affected
by any settlement, since the region would be given back to the Cyprus
government if the Annan Plan was accepted. Mustafa Akinci, leader of
the Peace and Democracy Movement said, "I believe the first input the
Cypriot Turk would receive from a settlement would to eliminate
uncertainty.We just mentioned Guzelyurt.They were neglecting the
maintenance of their houses because there was uncertainty. On every
map, discussion of their area was included in the territory to be
handed over to the Cypriot Greeks."
While territorial adjustments would allow most of Morphou's Greek
Cypriot residents to return, the vast majority of Cypriots, Greek and
Turkish alike want a viable, comprehensible and lasting settlement to
the division of Cyprus that will let them live together in a united
Cyprus. Territorial changes in the Turkish-occupied north that hand
over the Morphou region to the free areas of the Republic of Cyprus
are not a real and durable solution to the Cyprus problem.
The Steadfast Refugees of Morphou Fight to Return and Reunite Cyprus.
"We want to make it clear to all directions that the people of
Morphou and residents of the wider Morphou area will not, under no
circumstances, accept the fait accompli of the invasion.their vision
is to be able to live in a free island without any dividing lines or
occupation troops and enjoy the advantages of the EU together with
our Turkish Cypriot compatriots." Resolution by the Morphou
Municipality on the anniversary of the occupation of the town, August
2003.
Since the occupation of Morphou, its people have become an active
part of the Cypriot opposition to Turkish occupation and a vital
focus of international attention to the Cyprus struggle for justice
through their organizing of various actions including, protest
marches, press statements, resolutions, Friends of Morphou groups and
the Annual Morphou Rally in October each year. These efforts stress
their continued determination to seek peace, a just and viable
settlement and the reunification of Cyprus.
On the 29th anniversary of the occupation of the town Morphou
refugees in a resolution reiterated their call for a united Cyprus
and a solution that safeguards the three fundamental freedoms of
movement, property and settlement, establish the fate of all the
missing persons and implements the 3rd Vienna agreement concerning
the rights of the enclaved Greek Cypriots living in occupied Cyprus.
Morphou Mayor Charalambos Pittas who was accompanied by the town's
municipality and three M.P.'s handed the resolution to Cyprus
President Tassos Papadopoulos and the embassies of the five permanent
members of the UN security Council. Pittas told the Cyprus News
Agency that in the resolution "we express our position that 29 years
of Turkish invasion and occupation are unacceptable, just as the
current situation in Cyprus is unacceptable too."
The resolution asked the governments of the five permanent members of
the Security Council "to exert pressure on Turkey and to work towards
a just and viable solution to the Cyprus problem which should
guarantee a single sovereignty, territorial unity and the integrity
of the Republic of Cyprus, the withdrawal of all Turkish troops and
settlers and the return of all refugees to their homes and
properties."
The Morphou Rally.
"I found one thing particularly touching. After the Morphou rally I
went to the UN open day at the Ledra Palace Hotel and while I was
there I met two people from Morphou who I had seen at the rally. They
were friends. At this bi-communal event I also met two Turkish
Cypriots who were living in their houses in Morphou. The process is
obviously painful, but they were able to discuss the matter in a
sensible way and to recognize the realities of both sides. One of the
Turkish Cypriots was herself a refugee from Limassol. She would like
to return to her home, should a settlement permit that." Andrew
Dismore, Labour MP.
Each year hundreds of Morphou refugees, joined by Cypriot, Greek,
British, Euro MP's, leaders of The Friends of Morphou and Friends of
Cyprus and other political and religious delegates from around the
world hold an annual rally at the Green Line in early October to show
solidarity with the people of Morphou, to protest the continuing
Turkish occupation of northern Cyprus and demand a solution to the
division of Cyprus. Many politicians attend the rally to express
their support for Morphou, including Andrew Dismore, Labour MP,
Theresa Villiers, Conservative MEP, Eric Clarke, Labour MP, the Mayor
of Barnet, Cllr Joan, and Barnet Cllr Victor Lyon among others. The
Barnett Council of London became a twin town to Morphou in 1995 to
further goodwill between the communities and show support for those
Greek Cypriots who have been forced to live in exile.
Speaking at the rally, Theresa Villiers- Conservative MEP for London
said, "It is always a great pleasure to visit Cyprus and meet the
Cypriot people, I am always especially pleased to be invited to go to
the Morphou Rally.It is an honor to have been asked by the displaced
residents of Morphou.It is unacceptable that these people were driven
from their homes and still cannot return after thirty years.
Morphou's twinning with Barnett- part of my own European
constituency-gives me special concern on this issue. I will continue
to campaign for a just solution to the Cyprus problem, creating a
free and united Cyprus. I will also campaign for the residents of
Morphou to be able to return to their homes."
Addressing politicians and hundreds of Morphou refugees at the Green
Line, Councillor Lyon said, "It is a moving experience to be so close
to the border and see the line dividing a nation. We must hope that
the way is now clear for an end to the problem for the benefit of all
the people of Cyprus."
The Search for a Brighter Future in a Reunified Cyprus.
"The Cypriot struggle, the struggle conducted by the people of
Morphou, is a struggle for the rights of all nations around the world
for safeguarding the principles of international law and human rights
which are so severely violated in my country by the Turkish army and
Turkish leadership.Through all I have said I wish to underline my
love for the land I was born in, our love for our occupied town of
Morphou and our determination to continue our fight." Charalambos
Pittas, Mayor of Morphou, speech at the Mayors for Peace Forum,
January 16, 2003.
Despite the obstacles, strenuous efforts are continuing to find a
solution to the division of Cyprus and progress is being made. The
2003 opening of barriers on the Green Line has led to increased
cracks in the wall of division and greater trust between the two
communities and raised hopes of a settlement of the conflict. Morphou
refugees felt excited and overjoyed about the prospect of going home
after 30 years of exile if the Turkish-occupied town was returned to
the Republic of Cyprus' administration as proposed in the various UN
peace plans, including the Annan Plan. But they also expressed their
disapproval of any plan that ignored the right of all the refugees to
return to their homes and reunification of the island.
Expressing the popular sentiment of most Cypriots Morphou Mayor
Charalambos Pittas said he firmly believed that all the refugees must
be allowed to return to their homes, regardless of which side
ultimately controlled each town. Like most of Morphou's refugees
Pittas is enthusiastic to return to the families' house they left in
1974, but he doesn't want to visit his birthplace as a tourist. He
wants to return to his home for good and is prepared to wait a little
longer to achieve that aim. While the talks go on among the leaders,
the bi-communal contacts between the two communities continue to
develop.
When relatives of Charalambos Pittas visited his home for him, they
were given an old photo album and other personal items that the
Turkish Cypriot occupants of his property had saved for his family.
There have been many similar examples of acts of genuine goodwill and
friendliness between the ordinary people from both communities. While
Mayor Pittas has never met or spoken to retired Turkish Cypriot
geography teacher Aktan Imamzade, he says that he feels no anger
towards him. "I'm sure the same as when I was moved from my house.He
has told my relatives that he is looking after the house. He does not
regard himself as the owner. I have a good feeling about him. And he
has given my relatives the opportunity to go inside the house and
take photos."
"We have to put behind us the past that separates us and look into
the future that unites us. The people of Cyprus, Greek-Cypriots and
Turkish-Cypriots, must live together in a state that respects and
secures all human rights and basic freedoms. Freedom of movement,
freedom of residence and property need to occur.Our children have the
right and we have the obligation to offer our children a reunited and
prosperous Cyprus. Our strong belief is that the communities in
Cyprus, Greek Cypriots.Turkish Cypriots, Maronites, Armenians and
Latins should live in condition of security, prosperity, respect and
mutual understanding in a reunited Cyprus.We seek a state of law for
all Cypriot people irrespective of language, religion, colour or
nationality." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor of Morphou.
One day the displaced people of Morphou will return home
permanently,
to live once again in the midst of the fragrant orange blossom
atmosphere of Morphou. Things will never be the same, but in time a
new generation will rebuild the broken lives, communities and
buildings that conflict and division shattered. And may we always
remember the dead-end disaster that extremist nationalism and
partition brought to the people and island, as we continue to strive
for a common future in a renewed, reunified and free Cyprus. So that
the Cypriot people can live together in peace and create a place of
harmony and trust between the communities, in the idyllic paradise
that Cyprus ought to be. In time, this dream will become an
inevitable reality.
* I dedicate this article to the refugees of Morphou, living and
departed, who have hoped, struggled and dreamt of the day of return.
http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2006%20Opinion%20Editorials/October/9%20o/The%20Tenacious%20Exiles%20The%20Struggle%20of%20the%20People%20of%20Morphou%20to%20Return%20By%20Steven%20Katsineris.htm
Panta Rhei
2006-10-11 01:59:18 UTC
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BBC film archives do not lie. My burnt out house was shown on BBC TV on New
Year's Day 1964. It made the news on the same day because it was set on fire
in the morning.
But you are a Turk! So, while people would tend to believe the BBC, they
wouldn't believe a rotten, perverted, slimy Turk such as you are, who once
watched a BBC documentary on TV and keeps telling folks on Usenet about it!
And you ARE a lying, backward, primitive Turk, as all your posts prove! So
there you are! <G>
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choro-nik
2006-10-11 02:28:58 UTC
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You are sooo stoopid Panta, as ever. You are Ever a Looney.

How on earth could I have watched the scene of the burning of my house in
Cyprus on BBC TV in the UK? I was in Cyprus at the time. In fact I remained
in Cyprus for another five years after that hoping against hope that things
would go back to normal.

Use your common sense girl, if you have any that is. I heard about it from
family relatives who lived in the UK at the time and who saw the news and
knew that we had been burned out by Greek Cypriots.

I heard that our burnt out house had made the BBC TV 6 pm news from them.
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Post by choro-nik
BBC film archives do not lie. My burnt out house was shown on BBC TV on New
Year's Day 1964. It made the news on the same day because it was set on fire
in the morning.
But you are a Turk! So, while people would tend to believe the BBC, they
wouldn't believe a rotten, perverted, slimy Turk such as you are, who once
watched a BBC documentary on TV and keeps telling folks on Usenet about it!
And you ARE a lying, backward, primitive Turk, as all your posts prove! So
there you are! <G>
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Agamemnon
2006-10-11 02:43:14 UTC
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You are sooo stoopid Panta, as ever. You are Ever a Looney.
How on earth could I have watched the scene of the burning of my house in
Cyprus on BBC TV in the UK? I was in Cyprus at the time. In fact I
remained in Cyprus for another five years after that hoping against hope
that things would go back to normal.
Use your common sense girl, if you have any that is. I heard about it from
family relatives who lived in the UK at the time and who saw the news and
knew that we had been burned out by Greek Cypriots.
How could they have known that Greek Cypriots burned down your house if they
were living in the UK. Did they have a telescope to see them do it ?

You are just making it up because of your irrational hatred of Greeks
brought about by the psychological harm that the TMT terrorist propaganda
that you have been fed has done to you.
Post by choro-nik
I heard that our burnt out house had made the BBC TV 6 pm news from them.
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Post by choro-nik
BBC film archives do not lie. My burnt out house was shown on BBC TV on New
Year's Day 1964. It made the news on the same day because it was set on fire
in the morning.
But you are a Turk! So, while people would tend to believe the BBC, they
wouldn't believe a rotten, perverted, slimy Turk such as you are, who once
watched a BBC documentary on TV and keeps telling folks on Usenet about it!
And you ARE a lying, backward, primitive Turk, as all your posts prove! So
there you are! <G>
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Panta Rhei
2006-10-11 03:15:52 UTC
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How could they have known that Greek Cypriots burned down your house if they
were living in the UK. Did they have a telescope to see them do it ?
You are just making it up because of your irrational hatred of Greeks
brought about by the psychological harm that the TMT terrorist propaganda
that you have been fed has done to you.
One can't simply believe ANYTHING these primitive, fascist Turkish creeps
keep recounting! But this idiot here is actually stupid enough to think he
can PROVE things with his snow jobs on Usenet! The primitivity of it! LOL
Remember, Aga, he also kept telling us that he was "smart", just another
one of his many snow jobs! LMAO! Well, he is a Turk!
choro-nik
2006-10-11 03:56:00 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
How could they have known that Greek Cypriots burned down your house if they
were living in the UK. Did they have a telescope to see them do it ?
You are just making it up because of your irrational hatred of Greeks
brought about by the psychological harm that the TMT terrorist propaganda
that you have been fed has done to you.
One can't simply believe ANYTHING these primitive, fascist Turkish creeps
keep recounting! But this idiot here is actually stupid enough to think he
can PROVE things with his snow jobs on Usenet! The primitivity of it! LOL
Remember, Aga, he also kept telling us that he was "smart", just another
one of his many snow jobs! LMAO! Well, he is a Turk!
....and you are?... let's see, 50 % Iraqi Kurd 50% Swedish stumpet.
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Panta Rhei
2006-10-11 04:10:03 UTC
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....and you are?... let's see, 50 % Iraqi Kurd 50% Swedish stumpet.
Prove ANYTHING of all the crap you've been posting over the years on Usenet
you ridiculous dimwit!!! You can't prove ONE of the hilarious things you
keep telling about yourself, or others! Well, except your low character and
your primitive "Turkishness"! THAT you can prove, and every day, with each
single post of yours! <BG>
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choro-nik
2006-10-11 03:56:00 UTC
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You are sooo stoopid Panta, as ever. You are Ever a Looney.
How on earth could I have watched the scene of the burning of my house in
Cyprus on BBC TV in the UK? I was in Cyprus at the time. In fact I
remained in Cyprus for another five years after that hoping against hope
that things would go back to normal.
Use your common sense girl, if you have any that is. I heard about it
from family relatives who lived in the UK at the time and who saw the
news and knew that we had been burned out by Greek Cypriots.
How could they have known that Greek Cypriots burned down your house if
they were living in the UK. Did they have a telescope to see them do it ?
Sorry AgamemnonASS, it was actually the Eskimos who burned down my house.
You know, anybody can make a mistake. I am human as well you know. And I too
can make a mistake.

Yes, it WAS the Eskimos from Tanganyika who burned down my house. I made a
silly mistake just because I knew that Nikos Sampson's Greek Cypriot militia
were holding that mixed area and stupid that I am I jumped to a conclusion
based only on that knowledge. You know, I am talking of the same Nikos
Sampson who later became the President of Cyprus.

You see I went to see the house once things quietened down after a couple
weeks or so and a British sergeant of the UN peace keeping force who was
serving in the area told me that they had tried to put out the fire the
Eskimos had started but that my garden hose had proved inadequate. And
honest to God he did tell me that the fire was started by the Eskimos from
Tanganyika.
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Post by Agamemnon
You are just making it up because of your irrational hatred of Greeks
brought about by the psychological harm that the TMT terrorist propaganda
that you have been fed has done to you.
Post by choro-nik
I heard that our burnt out house had made the BBC TV 6 pm news from them.
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Post by choro-nik
BBC film archives do not lie. My burnt out house was shown on BBC TV on New
Year's Day 1964. It made the news on the same day because it was set on fire
in the morning.
But you are a Turk! So, while people would tend to believe the BBC, they
wouldn't believe a rotten, perverted, slimy Turk such as you are, who once
watched a BBC documentary on TV and keeps telling folks on Usenet about it!
And you ARE a lying, backward, primitive Turk, as all your posts prove! So
there you are! <G>
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs, better at blow jobs.
Panta Rhei
2006-10-11 04:10:02 UTC
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it was actually the Eskimos who burned down my house.
That's more like it, sicko! Actually THAT can't be one of your many Turkish
propaganda lies! But you still lack the proof of it, ridiculous Turk! LMAO!
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Panta Rhei
2006-10-11 03:02:37 UTC
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How on earth could I have watched the scene of the burning of my house in
Cyprus on BBC TV in the UK? I was in Cyprus at the time. In fact I remained
in Cyprus for another five years after that hoping against hope that things
would go back to normal.
Use your common sense girl, if you have any that is. I heard about it from
family relatives who lived in the UK at the time and who saw the news and
knew that we had been burned out by Greek Cypriots.
I heard that our burnt out house had made the BBC TV 6 pm news from them.
ROTFLOL

Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs, better at blow jobs!
gogu
2006-10-10 19:42:23 UTC
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Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his village
in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed in his own
house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my father's
name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Nobody denies that people of both sides have suffered, Turk/Cypriots and
Greek/Cypriots...
Nasty things have happened from both sides...
But this is *NOT* an excuse for the invading Turkish army to still remain on
the island!
Today it's a different world, Cyprus is an EU member, such sad things can
not happen again today!
So there is no excuse for the invading Turkish army to still be there!
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E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

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Now what have you got to say to THAT?!
You can't eat your cake and have it too, you know.
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The Tenacious Exiles: The Struggle of the People of Morphou to Return
By Steven Katsineris
Al-Jazeerah, October 9, 2006
"We live and breathe with one hope and one dream: to return to Morphou.
Even the young people who never saw Morphou live with this dream. The
town of Morphou exists for our children because we have told them about
it. My daughter knows everything about it through the pictures, videos
and stories of her grandparents. She knows all about the orchards we had
in Morphou." Charalambos Pittas Mayor of the Turkish-occupied town of
Morphou, Cyprus.
Morphou is located in the northwestern part of Cyprus, 30 miles from the
capital Nicosia. The Plain of Morphou is one of the richest and most
fertile areas of Cyprus and Morphou soon grew into a significant market
town. Due to the abundance of underground water and irrigation
agriculture developed quickly in the area, with a variety of crops grown
including apples, vegetables, legumes, grains, taro, sesame, melons and
citrus. Over time there was a large increase in the cultivation of
citrus. Morphou became the main center of citrus growing in Cyprus and
famous for its orange, lemon and grapefruit orchards. In 1974 Morphou and
the surrounding villages produced 51% of the citrus fruit grown in
Cyprus. The inhabitants of Morphou founded the Cooperative Organization
Disposal Citrus Morphou (SODEM) to promote Cypriot citrus abroad. The
cooperative also built a plant that canned juices.
The name Morphou (meaning beautiful place) dates back to ancient times
and is associated with the Goddess Aphrodite (the goddess of love and
beauty). The Lacones or Spartans originally settled Morphou and they
brought with them the worship of Aphrodite and named the town after her
beauty. Near Morphou lie the ruins of the ancient city of Soloi, one of
the ten ancient kingdoms of Cyprus. Numerous archaeological discoveries
have been made around Morphou reinforcing the connection to the cult of
Aphrodite, including the statue named the Aphrodite of Soloi.
Under British rule, in 1896, Morphou was established as a municipality.
Before the Turkish invasion, Morphou had a mainly Greek Cypriot
population of about 9,000 people. On August 16, 1974 Morphou and the
adjacent area were occupied by Turkish troops and its people were
forcibly expelled or fled from the town. Since then the displaced Greek
Cypriot residents have been forbidden to return to their homes and
orchards. The Morphou Town Council has since been based in Limmasol on
the south coast. The Turkish invasion of northern Cyprus in the summer of
1974 left 200,000 refugees, thousands dead and hundreds missing. Of the
1,618 missing persons 140 of them came from the Morphou region.
Turkish-Occupied Morphou.
"My country, the small island of Cyprus has been under occupation since
August 1974, when Turkey invaded and forcefully occupied 38% of our land.
Part of this occupied land is my town, the town of Morphou, of which I am
currently the mayor in exile." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor of Morphou.
Due to the Turkish army's military onslaught the Greek Cypriots
inhabitants of Morphou were forced to abandon their homes and properties.
After the Turkish forces captured Morphou the empty houses were allocated
to Turkish Cypriot refugees and later arriving settlers from Turkey.
Morphou's name was changed to Guzelyurt (in Turkish meaning beautiful
country). At present the population of Morphou is about 12,000 of which
about 500 are its original Turkish Cypriot inhabitants, some Turkish
Cypriots from the government controlled south of Cyprus and thousands of
Turkish settlers.
The once lovely town is now fairly bleak and dilapidated, with most
houses in poor condition or rundown decaying ruins. Since 1974 the
majority of Morphou's inhabitants have not bothered to paint or repair
the houses because the Turkish authorities have not encouraged the town
as a feasible long-term settlement. Morphou has always been viewed as a
region to be traded or conceded in the event of a partial settlement or
some sort of resolution to the Cyprus problem. While the people now
living in Morphou have felt transitory they have been afraid to construct
new dwellings or properly maintain the homes they live in. Many of the
older houses are built of mud brick, which is suited to the hot Cypriot
climate, but over time without good maintenance water seeps in and the
bricks turn to sludge and the houses begin to fall apart. Many of the
people are also unemployed, poor and unable to afford repairs. The
families of the region even bury their dead in cemeteries in Nicosia
rather than in the Morphou area. There is an atmosphere of doubt,
depression and hopelessness among the residents.
Most of Morphou's Turkish Cypriots Want a Settlement.
"We need to get a solution. We need to do something about this.we just
want peace. We are literally prisoners-our only crime is to be Turkish
Cypriots. Our occupiers are turning against us. Now they want to occupy
us forever." Doganci village farmer (Morphou region) Etem Tabak, from the
Doganci Peace Movement.
Many of the Turkish Cypriot residents of Morphou and nearby Zodia village
have been actively involved in demonstrations in support of a Cyprus
settlement. While some Turkish Cypriots and Turkish settlers are
concerned about the impact of any territorial adjustments or of living in
mixed communities again, others are eager about the prospects of a
unified Cyprus and of welcoming back Greek Cypriots to the Morphou
district. For instance, the 1,500 Turkish Cypriot residents of Doganci
village have been very active, organizing many peace rallies, street
marches and other protests. Despite police arrests of organizers and
speakers the villagers have continued to remain defiant. The village
coffee shop is the vocal point for political debate and planning
demonstrations. The villagers also gather to hear local bands playing.
The most popular song in the village is, "Cyprus is our prison and we are
the prisoners. The Line is the prison bar and Denktash is the guard."
In the last Turkish Cypriot elections in December 2003, over 54% of the
population of the area voted for pro-settlement parties, like the Peace
and Democracy Movement, the Republican Turkish Party and the Settlement
and EU Party, knowing that they would be the most affected by any
settlement, since the region would be given back to the Cyprus government
if the Annan Plan was accepted. Mustafa Akinci, leader of the Peace and
Democracy Movement said, "I believe the first input the Cypriot Turk
would receive from a settlement would to eliminate uncertainty.We just
mentioned Guzelyurt.They were neglecting the maintenance of their houses
because there was uncertainty. On every map, discussion of their area was
included in the territory to be handed over to the Cypriot Greeks."
While territorial adjustments would allow most of Morphou's Greek Cypriot
residents to return, the vast majority of Cypriots, Greek and Turkish
alike want a viable, comprehensible and lasting settlement to the
division of Cyprus that will let them live together in a united Cyprus.
Territorial changes in the Turkish-occupied north that hand over the
Morphou region to the free areas of the Republic of Cyprus are not a real
and durable solution to the Cyprus problem.
The Steadfast Refugees of Morphou Fight to Return and Reunite Cyprus.
"We want to make it clear to all directions that the people of Morphou
and residents of the wider Morphou area will not, under no circumstances,
accept the fait accompli of the invasion.their vision is to be able to
live in a free island without any dividing lines or occupation troops and
enjoy the advantages of the EU together with our Turkish Cypriot
compatriots." Resolution by the Morphou Municipality on the anniversary
of the occupation of the town, August 2003.
Since the occupation of Morphou, its people have become an active part of
the Cypriot opposition to Turkish occupation and a vital focus of
international attention to the Cyprus struggle for justice through their
organizing of various actions including, protest marches, press
statements, resolutions, Friends of Morphou groups and the Annual Morphou
Rally in October each year. These efforts stress their continued
determination to seek peace, a just and viable settlement and the
reunification of Cyprus.
On the 29th anniversary of the occupation of the town Morphou refugees in
a resolution reiterated their call for a united Cyprus and a solution
that safeguards the three fundamental freedoms of movement, property and
settlement, establish the fate of all the missing persons and implements
the 3rd Vienna agreement concerning the rights of the enclaved Greek
Cypriots living in occupied Cyprus.
Morphou Mayor Charalambos Pittas who was accompanied by the town's
municipality and three M.P.'s handed the resolution to Cyprus President
Tassos Papadopoulos and the embassies of the five permanent members of
the UN security Council. Pittas told the Cyprus News Agency that in the
resolution "we express our position that 29 years of Turkish invasion and
occupation are unacceptable, just as the current situation in Cyprus is
unacceptable too."
The resolution asked the governments of the five permanent members of the
Security Council "to exert pressure on Turkey and to work towards a just
and viable solution to the Cyprus problem which should guarantee a single
sovereignty, territorial unity and the integrity of the Republic of
Cyprus, the withdrawal of all Turkish troops and settlers and the return
of all refugees to their homes and properties."
The Morphou Rally.
"I found one thing particularly touching. After the Morphou rally I went
to the UN open day at the Ledra Palace Hotel and while I was there I met
two people from Morphou who I had seen at the rally. They were friends.
At this bi-communal event I also met two Turkish Cypriots who were living
in their houses in Morphou. The process is obviously painful, but they
were able to discuss the matter in a sensible way and to recognize the
realities of both sides. One of the Turkish Cypriots was herself a
refugee from Limassol. She would like to return to her home, should a
settlement permit that." Andrew Dismore, Labour MP.
Each year hundreds of Morphou refugees, joined by Cypriot, Greek,
British, Euro MP's, leaders of The Friends of Morphou and Friends of
Cyprus and other political and religious delegates from around the world
hold an annual rally at the Green Line in early October to show
solidarity with the people of Morphou, to protest the continuing Turkish
occupation of northern Cyprus and demand a solution to the division of
Cyprus. Many politicians attend the rally to express their support for
Morphou, including Andrew Dismore, Labour MP, Theresa Villiers,
Conservative MEP, Eric Clarke, Labour MP, the Mayor of Barnet, Cllr Joan,
and Barnet Cllr Victor Lyon among others. The Barnett Council of London
became a twin town to Morphou in 1995 to further goodwill between the
communities and show support for those Greek Cypriots who have been
forced to live in exile.
Speaking at the rally, Theresa Villiers- Conservative MEP for London
said, "It is always a great pleasure to visit Cyprus and meet the Cypriot
people, I am always especially pleased to be invited to go to the Morphou
Rally.It is an honor to have been asked by the displaced residents of
Morphou.It is unacceptable that these people were driven from their homes
and still cannot return after thirty years. Morphou's twinning with
Barnett- part of my own European constituency-gives me special concern on
this issue. I will continue to campaign for a just solution to the Cyprus
problem, creating a free and united Cyprus. I will also campaign for the
residents of Morphou to be able to return to their homes."
Addressing politicians and hundreds of Morphou refugees at the Green
Line, Councillor Lyon said, "It is a moving experience to be so close to
the border and see the line dividing a nation. We must hope that the way
is now clear for an end to the problem for the benefit of all the people
of Cyprus."
The Search for a Brighter Future in a Reunified Cyprus.
"The Cypriot struggle, the struggle conducted by the people of Morphou,
is a struggle for the rights of all nations around the world for
safeguarding the principles of international law and human rights which
are so severely violated in my country by the Turkish army and Turkish
leadership.Through all I have said I wish to underline my love for the
land I was born in, our love for our occupied town of Morphou and our
determination to continue our fight." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor of
Morphou, speech at the Mayors for Peace Forum, January 16, 2003.
Despite the obstacles, strenuous efforts are continuing to find a
solution to the division of Cyprus and progress is being made. The 2003
opening of barriers on the Green Line has led to increased cracks in the
wall of division and greater trust between the two communities and raised
hopes of a settlement of the conflict. Morphou refugees felt excited and
overjoyed about the prospect of going home after 30 years of exile if the
Turkish-occupied town was returned to the Republic of Cyprus'
administration as proposed in the various UN peace plans, including the
Annan Plan. But they also expressed their disapproval of any plan that
ignored the right of all the refugees to return to their homes and
reunification of the island.
Expressing the popular sentiment of most Cypriots Morphou Mayor
Charalambos Pittas said he firmly believed that all the refugees must be
allowed to return to their homes, regardless of which side ultimately
controlled each town. Like most of Morphou's refugees Pittas is
enthusiastic to return to the families' house they left in 1974, but he
doesn't want to visit his birthplace as a tourist. He wants to return to
his home for good and is prepared to wait a little longer to achieve that
aim. While the talks go on among the leaders, the bi-communal contacts
between the two communities continue to develop.
When relatives of Charalambos Pittas visited his home for him, they were
given an old photo album and other personal items that the Turkish
Cypriot occupants of his property had saved for his family. There have
been many similar examples of acts of genuine goodwill and friendliness
between the ordinary people from both communities. While Mayor Pittas has
never met or spoken to retired Turkish Cypriot geography teacher Aktan
Imamzade, he says that he feels no anger towards him. "I'm sure the same
as when I was moved from my house.He has told my relatives that he is
looking after the house. He does not regard himself as the owner. I have
a good feeling about him. And he has given my relatives the opportunity
to go inside the house and take photos."
"We have to put behind us the past that separates us and look into the
future that unites us. The people of Cyprus, Greek-Cypriots and
Turkish-Cypriots, must live together in a state that respects and secures
all human rights and basic freedoms. Freedom of movement, freedom of
residence and property need to occur.Our children have the right and we
have the obligation to offer our children a reunited and prosperous
Cyprus. Our strong belief is that the communities in Cyprus, Greek
Cypriots.Turkish Cypriots, Maronites, Armenians and Latins should live in
condition of security, prosperity, respect and mutual understanding in a
reunited Cyprus.We seek a state of law for all Cypriot people
irrespective of language, religion, colour or nationality." Charalambos
Pittas, Mayor of Morphou.
One day the displaced people of Morphou will return home permanently, to
live once again in the midst of the fragrant orange blossom atmosphere of
Morphou. Things will never be the same, but in time a new generation will
rebuild the broken lives, communities and buildings that conflict and
division shattered. And may we always remember the dead-end disaster that
extremist nationalism and partition brought to the people and island, as
we continue to strive for a common future in a renewed, reunified and
free Cyprus. So that the Cypriot people can live together in peace and
create a place of harmony and trust between the communities, in the
idyllic paradise that Cyprus ought to be. In time, this dream will become
an inevitable reality.
* I dedicate this article to the refugees of Morphou, living and
departed, who have hoped, struggled and dreamt of the day of return.
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Post by choro-nik
Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his village
in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed in his own
house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my father's
name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Nobody denies that people of both sides have suffered, Turk/Cypriots and
Greek/Cypriots...
Nasty things have happened from both sides...
Oh so sometimes you CAN talk sense...
Post by gogu
But this is *NOT* an excuse for the invading Turkish army to still remain on
the island!
Today it's a different world, Cyprus is an EU member, such sad things can
not happen again today!
But is it? Greeks spreading their anti-Turkish venom on these groups
indicate otherwise. I wish that we could have made a go of the Republic of
Cyprus set up in 1960. But it was the Greek side that ripped up the
Agreements by 1963 and had several private armies ready to kill Turks, loot
and set their homes on fire. And what does that say to the Turkish
community? Have you ever thought that?

I tell you your side looted and burned down my house. It is after all
recorded in TV news footage. I give you the exact date. I have now even told
you that it was set on fire in the morning on New Year's Day 1964 and what
do you do? You accuse me of lying. Others say that I never had a house.

What sort of confidence building is that? And you have been doing this for
the past 40 odd years. And you expect the Turks to believe that you have
changed just because the EU wanted an unsinkable aircraft carrier and
quickly admitted Greek Cyprus into the EU.

You expect me to trust your good will when in every message you kept posting
you talked of FASCIST TURKS, NAZI TURKS etc etc.

I am afraid with your stupid actions you have burned your bridges. You can
forget about Cyprus going back to as it was before your beloved underground
EOKA poisoned the atmosphere.

Yeah, I would like the old Cyprus of my childhood days back but I know too
much has happened in the meantime for that ever to happen. Learn to live
with it because this state of affairs has been brought about by the
stupidities and the excesses of the Greek side.

Sorry but these are the facts as I see them.
Post by gogu
So there is no excuse for the invading Turkish army to still be there!
The Turkish Army action brought to an end the suffering of Turkish Cypriots
and led to freeing Greece from the clutches of your Kolonellos. Be thankful
that it cost you so little and you gained your freedom from the Kolonellos
as a direct result of the Turkish action. The Turkish Army will remain in
Cyprus for as long as Turkish Cypriots want them to. For as long as Turkish
Cypriots can feel secure without the Turkish Army there to protect them.

The only way the question can stop being a thorn in the side of Turkey and
Greece is when Turkey together with North Cyprus also join the EU. Things
cannot and will not fundamentally change until then.

Just learn to be realistic. Stop dreaming of blonde Aryan armies capturing
Istanbul for you. They will NOT!!!

Get it now? Entaksi? ENTAKSI!!!

Stop dreaming. The light of day is here. Wakey, wake-up!!!
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choro-nik
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E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
Post by choro-nik
Now what have you got to say to THAT?!
You can't eat your cake and have it too, you know.
--
choro-nik
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Post by Agamemnon
The Tenacious Exiles: The Struggle of the People of Morphou to Return
By Steven Katsineris
Al-Jazeerah, October 9, 2006
"We live and breathe with one hope and one dream: to return to Morphou.
Even the young people who never saw Morphou live with this dream. The
town of Morphou exists for our children because we have told them about
it. My daughter knows everything about it through the pictures, videos
and stories of her grandparents. She knows all about the orchards we had
in Morphou." Charalambos Pittas Mayor of the Turkish-occupied town of
Morphou, Cyprus.
Morphou is located in the northwestern part of Cyprus, 30 miles from the
capital Nicosia. The Plain of Morphou is one of the richest and most
fertile areas of Cyprus and Morphou soon grew into a significant market
town. Due to the abundance of underground water and irrigation
agriculture developed quickly in the area, with a variety of crops grown
including apples, vegetables, legumes, grains, taro, sesame, melons and
citrus. Over time there was a large increase in the cultivation of
citrus. Morphou became the main center of citrus growing in Cyprus and
famous for its orange, lemon and grapefruit orchards. In 1974 Morphou and
the surrounding villages produced 51% of the citrus fruit grown in
Cyprus. The inhabitants of Morphou founded the Cooperative Organization
Disposal Citrus Morphou (SODEM) to promote Cypriot citrus abroad. The
cooperative also built a plant that canned juices.
The name Morphou (meaning beautiful place) dates back to ancient times
and is associated with the Goddess Aphrodite (the goddess of love and
beauty). The Lacones or Spartans originally settled Morphou and they
brought with them the worship of Aphrodite and named the town after her
beauty. Near Morphou lie the ruins of the ancient city of Soloi, one of
the ten ancient kingdoms of Cyprus. Numerous archaeological discoveries
have been made around Morphou reinforcing the connection to the cult of
Aphrodite, including the statue named the Aphrodite of Soloi.
Under British rule, in 1896, Morphou was established as a municipality.
Before the Turkish invasion, Morphou had a mainly Greek Cypriot
population of about 9,000 people. On August 16, 1974 Morphou and the
adjacent area were occupied by Turkish troops and its people were
forcibly expelled or fled from the town. Since then the displaced Greek
Cypriot residents have been forbidden to return to their homes and
orchards. The Morphou Town Council has since been based in Limmasol on
the south coast. The Turkish invasion of northern Cyprus in the summer of
1974 left 200,000 refugees, thousands dead and hundreds missing. Of the
1,618 missing persons 140 of them came from the Morphou region.
Turkish-Occupied Morphou.
"My country, the small island of Cyprus has been under occupation since
August 1974, when Turkey invaded and forcefully occupied 38% of our land.
Part of this occupied land is my town, the town of Morphou, of which I am
currently the mayor in exile." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor of Morphou.
Due to the Turkish army's military onslaught the Greek Cypriots
inhabitants of Morphou were forced to abandon their homes and properties.
After the Turkish forces captured Morphou the empty houses were allocated
to Turkish Cypriot refugees and later arriving settlers from Turkey.
Morphou's name was changed to Guzelyurt (in Turkish meaning beautiful
country). At present the population of Morphou is about 12,000 of which
about 500 are its original Turkish Cypriot inhabitants, some Turkish
Cypriots from the government controlled south of Cyprus and thousands of
Turkish settlers.
The once lovely town is now fairly bleak and dilapidated, with most
houses in poor condition or rundown decaying ruins. Since 1974 the
majority of Morphou's inhabitants have not bothered to paint or repair
the houses because the Turkish authorities have not encouraged the town
as a feasible long-term settlement. Morphou has always been viewed as a
region to be traded or conceded in the event of a partial settlement or
some sort of resolution to the Cyprus problem. While the people now
living in Morphou have felt transitory they have been afraid to construct
new dwellings or properly maintain the homes they live in. Many of the
older houses are built of mud brick, which is suited to the hot Cypriot
climate, but over time without good maintenance water seeps in and the
bricks turn to sludge and the houses begin to fall apart. Many of the
people are also unemployed, poor and unable to afford repairs. The
families of the region even bury their dead in cemeteries in Nicosia
rather than in the Morphou area. There is an atmosphere of doubt,
depression and hopelessness among the residents.
Most of Morphou's Turkish Cypriots Want a Settlement.
"We need to get a solution. We need to do something about this.we just
want peace. We are literally prisoners-our only crime is to be Turkish
Cypriots. Our occupiers are turning against us. Now they want to occupy
us forever." Doganci village farmer (Morphou region) Etem Tabak, from the
Doganci Peace Movement.
Many of the Turkish Cypriot residents of Morphou and nearby Zodia village
have been actively involved in demonstrations in support of a Cyprus
settlement. While some Turkish Cypriots and Turkish settlers are
concerned about the impact of any territorial adjustments or of living in
mixed communities again, others are eager about the prospects of a
unified Cyprus and of welcoming back Greek Cypriots to the Morphou
district. For instance, the 1,500 Turkish Cypriot residents of Doganci
village have been very active, organizing many peace rallies, street
marches and other protests. Despite police arrests of organizers and
speakers the villagers have continued to remain defiant. The village
coffee shop is the vocal point for political debate and planning
demonstrations. The villagers also gather to hear local bands playing.
The most popular song in the village is, "Cyprus is our prison and we are
the prisoners. The Line is the prison bar and Denktash is the guard."
In the last Turkish Cypriot elections in December 2003, over 54% of the
population of the area voted for pro-settlement parties, like the Peace
and Democracy Movement, the Republican Turkish Party and the Settlement
and EU Party, knowing that they would be the most affected by any
settlement, since the region would be given back to the Cyprus government
if the Annan Plan was accepted. Mustafa Akinci, leader of the Peace and
Democracy Movement said, "I believe the first input the Cypriot Turk
would receive from a settlement would to eliminate uncertainty.We just
mentioned Guzelyurt.They were neglecting the maintenance of their houses
because there was uncertainty. On every map, discussion of their area was
included in the territory to be handed over to the Cypriot Greeks."
While territorial adjustments would allow most of Morphou's Greek Cypriot
residents to return, the vast majority of Cypriots, Greek and Turkish
alike want a viable, comprehensible and lasting settlement to the
division of Cyprus that will let them live together in a united Cyprus.
Territorial changes in the Turkish-occupied north that hand over the
Morphou region to the free areas of the Republic of Cyprus are not a real
and durable solution to the Cyprus problem.
The Steadfast Refugees of Morphou Fight to Return and Reunite Cyprus.
"We want to make it clear to all directions that the people of Morphou
and residents of the wider Morphou area will not, under no
circumstances,
accept the fait accompli of the invasion.their vision is to be able to
live in a free island without any dividing lines or occupation troops and
enjoy the advantages of the EU together with our Turkish Cypriot
compatriots." Resolution by the Morphou Municipality on the anniversary
of the occupation of the town, August 2003.
Since the occupation of Morphou, its people have become an active part of
the Cypriot opposition to Turkish occupation and a vital focus of
international attention to the Cyprus struggle for justice through their
organizing of various actions including, protest marches, press
statements, resolutions, Friends of Morphou groups and the Annual Morphou
Rally in October each year. These efforts stress their continued
determination to seek peace, a just and viable settlement and the
reunification of Cyprus.
On the 29th anniversary of the occupation of the town Morphou refugees in
a resolution reiterated their call for a united Cyprus and a solution
that safeguards the three fundamental freedoms of movement, property and
settlement, establish the fate of all the missing persons and implements
the 3rd Vienna agreement concerning the rights of the enclaved Greek
Cypriots living in occupied Cyprus.
Morphou Mayor Charalambos Pittas who was accompanied by the town's
municipality and three M.P.'s handed the resolution to Cyprus President
Tassos Papadopoulos and the embassies of the five permanent members of
the UN security Council. Pittas told the Cyprus News Agency that in the
resolution "we express our position that 29 years of Turkish invasion and
occupation are unacceptable, just as the current situation in Cyprus is
unacceptable too."
The resolution asked the governments of the five permanent members of the
Security Council "to exert pressure on Turkey and to work towards a just
and viable solution to the Cyprus problem which should guarantee a single
sovereignty, territorial unity and the integrity of the Republic of
Cyprus, the withdrawal of all Turkish troops and settlers and the return
of all refugees to their homes and properties."
The Morphou Rally.
"I found one thing particularly touching. After the Morphou rally I went
to the UN open day at the Ledra Palace Hotel and while I was there I met
two people from Morphou who I had seen at the rally. They were friends.
At this bi-communal event I also met two Turkish Cypriots who were living
in their houses in Morphou. The process is obviously painful, but they
were able to discuss the matter in a sensible way and to recognize the
realities of both sides. One of the Turkish Cypriots was herself a
refugee from Limassol. She would like to return to her home, should a
settlement permit that." Andrew Dismore, Labour MP.
Each year hundreds of Morphou refugees, joined by Cypriot, Greek,
British, Euro MP's, leaders of The Friends of Morphou and Friends of
Cyprus and other political and religious delegates from around the world
hold an annual rally at the Green Line in early October to show
solidarity with the people of Morphou, to protest the continuing Turkish
occupation of northern Cyprus and demand a solution to the division of
Cyprus. Many politicians attend the rally to express their support for
Morphou, including Andrew Dismore, Labour MP, Theresa Villiers,
Conservative MEP, Eric Clarke, Labour MP, the Mayor of Barnet, Cllr Joan,
and Barnet Cllr Victor Lyon among others. The Barnett Council of London
became a twin town to Morphou in 1995 to further goodwill between the
communities and show support for those Greek Cypriots who have been
forced to live in exile.
Speaking at the rally, Theresa Villiers- Conservative MEP for London
said, "It is always a great pleasure to visit Cyprus and meet the Cypriot
people, I am always especially pleased to be invited to go to the Morphou
Rally.It is an honor to have been asked by the displaced residents of
Morphou.It is unacceptable that these people were driven from their homes
and still cannot return after thirty years. Morphou's twinning with
Barnett- part of my own European constituency-gives me special concern on
this issue. I will continue to campaign for a just solution to the Cyprus
problem, creating a free and united Cyprus. I will also campaign for the
residents of Morphou to be able to return to their homes."
Addressing politicians and hundreds of Morphou refugees at the Green
Line, Councillor Lyon said, "It is a moving experience to be so close to
the border and see the line dividing a nation. We must hope that the way
is now clear for an end to the problem for the benefit of all the people
of Cyprus."
The Search for a Brighter Future in a Reunified Cyprus.
"The Cypriot struggle, the struggle conducted by the people of Morphou,
is a struggle for the rights of all nations around the world for
safeguarding the principles of international law and human rights which
are so severely violated in my country by the Turkish army and Turkish
leadership.Through all I have said I wish to underline my love for the
land I was born in, our love for our occupied town of Morphou and our
determination to continue our fight." Charalambos Pittas, Mayor of
Morphou, speech at the Mayors for Peace Forum, January 16, 2003.
Despite the obstacles, strenuous efforts are continuing to find a
solution to the division of Cyprus and progress is being made. The 2003
opening of barriers on the Green Line has led to increased cracks in the
wall of division and greater trust between the two communities and raised
hopes of a settlement of the conflict. Morphou refugees felt excited and
overjoyed about the prospect of going home after 30 years of exile if the
Turkish-occupied town was returned to the Republic of Cyprus'
administration as proposed in the various UN peace plans, including the
Annan Plan. But they also expressed their disapproval of any plan that
ignored the right of all the refugees to return to their homes and
reunification of the island.
Expressing the popular sentiment of most Cypriots Morphou Mayor
Charalambos Pittas said he firmly believed that all the refugees must be
allowed to return to their homes, regardless of which side ultimately
controlled each town. Like most of Morphou's refugees Pittas is
enthusiastic to return to the families' house they left in 1974, but he
doesn't want to visit his birthplace as a tourist. He wants to return to
his home for good and is prepared to wait a little longer to achieve that
aim. While the talks go on among the leaders, the bi-communal contacts
between the two communities continue to develop.
When relatives of Charalambos Pittas visited his home for him, they were
given an old photo album and other personal items that the Turkish
Cypriot occupants of his property had saved for his family. There have
been many similar examples of acts of genuine goodwill and friendliness
between the ordinary people from both communities. While Mayor Pittas has
never met or spoken to retired Turkish Cypriot geography teacher Aktan
Imamzade, he says that he feels no anger towards him. "I'm sure the same
as when I was moved from my house.He has told my relatives that he is
looking after the house. He does not regard himself as the owner. I have
a good feeling about him. And he has given my relatives the opportunity
to go inside the house and take photos."
"We have to put behind us the past that separates us and look into the
future that unites us. The people of Cyprus, Greek-Cypriots and
Turkish-Cypriots, must live together in a state that respects and secures
all human rights and basic freedoms. Freedom of movement, freedom of
residence and property need to occur.Our children have the right and we
have the obligation to offer our children a reunited and prosperous
Cyprus. Our strong belief is that the communities in Cyprus, Greek
Cypriots.Turkish Cypriots, Maronites, Armenians and Latins should live in
condition of security, prosperity, respect and mutual understanding in a
reunited Cyprus.We seek a state of law for all Cypriot people
irrespective of language, religion, colour or nationality." Charalambos
Pittas, Mayor of Morphou.
One day the displaced people of Morphou will return home permanently, to
live once again in the midst of the fragrant orange blossom atmosphere of
Morphou. Things will never be the same, but in time a new generation will
rebuild the broken lives, communities and buildings that conflict and
division shattered. And may we always remember the dead-end disaster that
extremist nationalism and partition brought to the people and island, as
we continue to strive for a common future in a renewed, reunified and
free Cyprus. So that the Cypriot people can live together in peace and
create a place of harmony and trust between the communities, in the
idyllic paradise that Cyprus ought to be. In time, this dream will become
an inevitable reality.
* I dedicate this article to the refugees of Morphou, living and
departed, who have hoped, struggled and dreamt of the day of return.
http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2006%20Opinion%20Editorials/October/9%20o/The%20Tenacious%20Exiles%20The%20Struggle%20of%20the%20People%20of%20Morphou%20to%20Return%20By%20Steven%20Katsineris.htm
gogu
2006-10-11 00:05:23 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
Post by gogu
Post by choro-nik
Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his village
in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed in his own
house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my father's
name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Nobody denies that people of both sides have suffered, Turk/Cypriots and
Greek/Cypriots...
Nasty things have happened from both sides...
Oh so sometimes you CAN talk sense...
I am always talking sense, it's just nazi Turks like you who can't
understand it!
Post by choro-nik
Post by gogu
But this is *NOT* an excuse for the invading Turkish army to still remain on
the island!
Today it's a different world, Cyprus is an EU member, such sad things can
not happen again today!
But is it? Greeks spreading their anti-Turkish venom on these groups
indicate otherwise.
You mean like *YOUR* anti-Greek venom, you fascist Turk?!

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The only thing original was the discovery or should I say the *invention* of
the "Greek Style" -- "a la Grec". And just think of it, it took mankind
until the 21st century to make that respectable with "Gay Marriages". We ARE
progressing and trying to catch up with ancient Greece. LOL.
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The 'homo' culture by far was the ancient Greek culture which your bastard
modern Greeks are maintaining. In fact it is the only ancient Greek
attribute that you are maintaining.

'Ere enjoy a Turkish Cock O'Turk!
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choro-nik
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Grik from the Grik word Grikko meaning Jack as in jacking up cars etc. Griks
jack one another up. It's their favorite pastime, innit? Just study the
depictions of Griks Grikking one another on ancient Grik pottery.

Get to know your Grik culture, bwoy!!! It is expected of you otherwise you
will be excommunicated by the Grik Orthodox Church.
--
choro-nik
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Subject: Barbaric Greek Act Defines INHUMANITY

"choro-nik" <choro-***@tvcom.net> wrote in message news:dbrSg.52483$***@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

Greek Coastal Security literally dumps Tunisian, Palestinian, Iraqi,
Lebanese migrant workers into the sea. Turkish Gendarme save 31 of them
after their cries for help are heard on the Turkish mainland but not before
6 of them (including 3 Tunisians, 1 Palestinian, 1 Algerian, and 1 Iraqi
migrant workers) drown and only their bodies are recovered while 3 Tunisians
are still missing.

Here is just a para from the report in the Turkish daily Hurriyet about
this inhumanity of man to man....
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choro-nik
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LOL
You are indeed a...peaceful and Greek-loving Turk;-)))))))
Post by choro-nik
What sort of confidence building is that?
What short of confidence building is...THAT?!

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The only thing original was the discovery or should I say the *invention* of
the "Greek Style" -- "a la Grec". And just think of it, it took mankind
until the 21st century to make that respectable with "Gay Marriages". We ARE
progressing and trying to catch up with ancient Greece. LOL.
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Message-ID: <ynAWg.32392$***@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>

The 'homo' culture by far was the ancient Greek culture which your bastard
modern Greeks are maintaining. In fact it is the only ancient Greek
attribute that you are maintaining.

'Ere enjoy a Turkish Cock O'Turk!
--
choro-nik
*******
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Message-ID: <s1OWg.121927$***@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>

Grik from the Grik word Grikko meaning Jack as in jacking up cars etc. Griks
jack one another up. It's their favorite pastime, innit? Just study the
depictions of Griks Grikking one another on ancient Grik pottery.

Get to know your Grik culture, bwoy!!! It is expected of you otherwise you
will be excommunicated by the Grik Orthodox Church.
--
choro-nik
*******
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Subject: Barbaric Greek Act Defines INHUMANITY

"choro-nik" <choro-***@tvcom.net> wrote in message news:dbrSg.52483$***@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

Greek Coastal Security literally dumps Tunisian, Palestinian, Iraqi,
Lebanese migrant workers into the sea. Turkish Gendarme save 31 of them
after their cries for help are heard on the Turkish mainland but not before
6 of them (including 3 Tunisians, 1 Palestinian, 1 Algerian, and 1 Iraqi
migrant workers) drown and only their bodies are recovered while 3 Tunisians
are still missing.

Here is just a para from the report in the Turkish daily Hurriyet about
this inhumanity of man to man....
--
choro-nik
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LOL
You are indeed a...peaceful and Greek-loving Turk;-)))))))
Post by choro-nik
You expect me to trust your good will when in every message you kept
posting you talked of FASCIST TURKS, NAZI TURKS etc etc.
Sure, people like *YOU* and your company of dogs, not *ALL* the Turks!
Just read my reply to Ali asker if you are slowminded and you can't
understand!
Post by choro-nik
I am afraid with your stupid actions you have burned your bridges.
You, too!
You really think that you have any credibility among us, Greeks?!
You are nothing but a HYPOCRITE, extremist, fascist Turk who was unmasked
after he let me think for years that he is decent!
Yes, I was fooled by you but no more!
Now we all know kind of a fascist human trash you are!
Post by choro-nik
You can forget about Cyprus going back to as it was before your beloved
underground EOKA poisoned the atmosphere.
That's what *YOU* nazi Turks think, but the world is not made after your
will, thank G-d!
Post by choro-nik
Just learn to be realistic. Stop dreaming of blonde Aryan armies capturing
Istanbul for you. They will NOT!!!
I said that I am not "dreaming" about them and I also said that I don't even
believe in prophecies, but *YOU* as a typical nazi Turk are continuing to
LIE with any decency!
Oh well, we all are used to your filthy character dear, you were unmasked
and we've all seen your ugly, racist' anti-Hellenic face;-)
Post by choro-nik
Get it now? Entaksi? ENTAKSI!!!
Did you?!
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in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

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http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
Agamemnon
2006-10-11 02:37:25 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
Post by gogu
Post by choro-nik
Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his village
in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed in his own
house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my father's
name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Nobody denies that people of both sides have suffered, Turk/Cypriots and
Greek/Cypriots...
Nasty things have happened from both sides...
Oh so sometimes you CAN talk sense...
Post by gogu
But this is *NOT* an excuse for the invading Turkish army to still remain on
the island!
Today it's a different world, Cyprus is an EU member, such sad things can
not happen again today!
But is it? Greeks spreading their anti-Turkish venom on these groups
indicate otherwise. I wish that we could have made a go of the Republic of
Cyprus set up in 1960. But it was the Greek side that ripped up the
Agreements by 1963 and had several private armies ready to kill Turks,
loot and set their homes on fire. And what does that say to the Turkish
community? Have you ever thought that?
LIES AND BULLSHIT

It was the Turkish Cypriots (who were being controlled by Turkey) that
destroyed the 1960 constitution by repeatedly vetoing every single piece of
legislation and then pulling out of the government and trying to make
themselves kings of Cyprus by abusing the discriminatory privileges given to
them by the 1960 constitution. It was a repeat of the same tactics that
destroyed the Roman republic, in the time of Tiberius Graecus, as can be
seen in last weeks episode of the BBC series ancient Rome.

And the Republic of Cyprus had not have any private armies. In fact it had
no army at all whereas it was being attacked by Turkish and British state
sponsored TMT terrorists who out armed it and who were murdering both Greek
and Turkish Cypriots left, right and centre the moment the Turkish Cypriot
pulled out of the government and began a reblellion. After this the United
Nation Security Council gave Cyprus a mandate to form a national guard and
to use all necessary means to put an end to the bloodshed that the Turks
were inflicting. So stop trying to equate peoples right to defend themselves
against state sponsored terrorists by killing these terrorist scum with acts
of terrorism.
Post by choro-nik
I tell you your side looted and burned down my house. It is after all
Your house (if it indeed was yours since your story keeps changing all the
time) was looted and burned down by the Turkish state sponsored TMT in order
to drive you into TMT terrorist strongholds and training camps. Your own
terrorist leader Rouf Denktash has confessed to this himself twice on
British TV.
Post by choro-nik
recorded in TV news footage. I give you the exact date. I have now even
told you that it was set on fire in the morning on New Year's Day 1964 and
what do you do? You accuse me of lying. Others say that I never had a
house.
What sort of confidence building is that? And you have been doing this for
the past 40 odd years. And you expect the Turks to believe that you have
changed just because the EU wanted an unsinkable aircraft carrier and
quickly admitted Greek Cyprus into the EU.
You expect me to trust your good will when in every message you kept
posting you talked of FASCIST TURKS, NAZI TURKS etc etc.
Just take a look at Turkeys campaign of mass genocide against Greeks and
Christians since the start of the 20th century and tell me what sort of
confidence building is that. 2 million Greeks exterminated from 1900 to 1923
and further 2 million Greeks ethnically cleansed, and that's not counting
over 1.5 million Armenians exterminated and 500,000 Assyrians exterminated
whereas not one single Turkish speaking Muslim was harmed in Greece in
anyway. A further 250,000 Greeks brutally ethnically cleansed from
Constantinople in state sponsored pogroms from 1955 through to 1964 whereas
the 80,000 Turkish speaking Muslims in Greece have grown to over 200,000.
FASCIST and NAZI is exactly what accurately describes the Turks. There are
still over 200,000 Greek Cypriots who the Turks ethnically cleanse in 1974
who are being prevented from retuning to their homes by these FASCIST NAZIS
who tried to inflict a plan of genocide on the Greek Cypriots in 2004 which
would have stopped them from having children instead of working to reunify
the island in compliance with UN resolutions and international law.

And this does not even mention the ongoing Turkish state organised genocide
against the Kurds who make up 1/3 of the populations and the Alevis.

What sort of confidence does that inspire ?

The fascist Turkish Nazi state is hell bent on the extermination of all
people who are different.
Post by choro-nik
I am afraid with your stupid actions you have burned your bridges. You can
forget about Cyprus going back to as it was before your beloved
underground EOKA poisoned the atmosphere.
EOKA was no different to the allied resistance in WW2 or the people in the
US who fought in the war of independence against the British in order to
free their country from British colonialist occupation. The EOKA heroes and
martyrs should be prised for their struggle for independence just like the
US heroes are celebrated on 4 July every year.
Post by choro-nik
Yeah, I would like the old Cyprus of my childhood days back but I know too
much has happened in the meantime for that ever to happen. Learn to live
with it because this state of affairs has been brought about by the
stupidities and the excesses of the Greek side.
You would like the reign of terror of the TMT and privileged Turkish Cypriot
kingship over the Greek Cypriot majority.
Post by choro-nik
Sorry but these are the facts as I see them.
Post by gogu
So there is no excuse for the invading Turkish army to still be there!
The Turkish Army action brought to an end the suffering of Turkish Cypriots
BULLSHIT. There was no Turkish Cypriot suffering when the Turkish army
invaded Cyprus. Whereas after the Turkish army invade over half the Turkish
Cypriot population have left the country and have been replaced by double
their number of illegal Turkish mainland colonists who were brought to
Cyprus by the occupiers in violation of article 49 of the Geneva Convention.
Post by choro-nik
and led to freeing Greece from the clutches of your Kolonellos. Be
thankful that it cost you so little and you gained your freedom from the
Kolonellos as a direct result of the Turkish action. The Turkish Army will
remain in Cyprus for as long as Turkish Cypriots want them to. For as long
as Turkish Cypriots can feel secure without the Turkish Army there to
protect them.
The only way the question can stop being a thorn in the side of Turkey and
Greece is when Turkey together with North Cyprus also join the EU. Things
cannot and will not fundamentally change until then.
YOU MUST BE CRAZY.

Turkey will NEVER be permitted to join the EU while it illegally occupies
Cyprus and the is no such state as "North Cyprus" recognised by the EU or
any member of the UN except Turkey.

The only solution is for the removal of all Turkish troops and Colonists
from Cyprus soil and the return of the Greek Cypriots to their homes in the
north under majority rule in a unitary state with minority rights (of the
10% Turkish Cypriot minority) protected like in any other democracy and for
Turkey to pay reparations. Tiny minorities have no right to be kings over
the majority. If you want minority rule then give the Kurds who form 1/3 of
the Turkish population control of Turkey first and then we'll see.
Post by choro-nik
Just learn to be realistic. Stop dreaming of blonde Aryan armies capturing
Istanbul for you. They will NOT!!!
Get it now? Entaksi? ENTAKSI!!!
Stop dreaming. The light of day is here. Wakey, wake-up!!!
YOU NAZI APOLOGIST.
Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
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Greeks Beg Freebies and Moan
2006-10-11 23:18:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by choro-nik
Post by gogu
Post by choro-nik
Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his village
in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed in his own
house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my father's
name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Nobody denies that people of both sides have suffered, Turk/Cypriots and
Greek/Cypriots...
Nasty things have happened from both sides...
Oh so sometimes you CAN talk sense...
Post by gogu
But this is *NOT* an excuse for the invading Turkish army to still remain on
the island!
Today it's a different world, Cyprus is an EU member, such sad things can
not happen again today!
But is it? Greeks spreading their anti-Turkish venom on these groups
indicate otherwise. I wish that we could have made a go of the Republic of
Cyprus set up in 1960. But it was the Greek side that ripped up the
Agreements by 1963 and had several private armies ready to kill Turks, loot
and set their homes on fire. And what does that say to the Turkish
community? Have you ever thought that?
I tell you your side looted and burned down my house. It is after all
recorded in TV news footage. I give you the exact date. I have now even told
you that it was set on fire in the morning on New Year's Day 1964 and what
do you do? You accuse me of lying. Others say that I never had a house.
What sort of confidence building is that? And you have been doing this for
the past 40 odd years. And you expect the Turks to believe that you have
changed just because the EU wanted an unsinkable aircraft carrier and
quickly admitted Greek Cyprus into the EU.
You expect me to trust your good will when in every message you kept posting
you talked of FASCIST TURKS, NAZI TURKS etc etc.
I am afraid with your stupid actions you have burned your bridges. You can
forget about Cyprus going back to as it was before your beloved underground
EOKA poisoned the atmosphere.
Yeah, I would like the old Cyprus of my childhood days back but I know too
much has happened in the meantime for that ever to happen. Learn to live
with it because this state of affairs has been brought about by the
stupidities and the excesses of the Greek side.
Sorry but these are the facts as I see them.
Post by gogu
So there is no excuse for the invading Turkish army to still be there!
The Turkish Army action brought to an end the suffering of Turkish Cypriots
and led to freeing Greece from the clutches of your Kolonellos. Be thankful
that it cost you so little and you gained your freedom from the Kolonellos
as a direct result of the Turkish action. The Turkish Army will remain in
Cyprus for as long as Turkish Cypriots want them to. For as long as Turkish
Cypriots can feel secure without the Turkish Army there to protect them.
The only way the question can stop being a thorn in the side of Turkey and
Greece is when Turkey together with North Cyprus also join the EU. Things
cannot and will not fundamentally change until then.
Just learn to be realistic. Stop dreaming of blonde Aryan armies capturing
Istanbul for you. They will NOT!!!
Get it now? Entaksi? ENTAKSI!!!
Stop dreaming. The light of day is here. Wakey, wake-up!!!
--
choro-nik
*******
AWESOME POST CHORO-NIK !

Well said my friend
Hector
2006-10-11 23:22:22 UTC
Permalink
Seanie Hui loves his mama
Post by Greeks Beg Freebies and Moan
Post by choro-nik
Post by gogu
Post by choro-nik
Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his village
in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed in his own
house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my father's
name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Nobody denies that people of both sides have suffered, Turk/Cypriots and
Greek/Cypriots...
Nasty things have happened from both sides...
Oh so sometimes you CAN talk sense...
Post by gogu
But this is *NOT* an excuse for the invading Turkish army to still remain on
the island!
Today it's a different world, Cyprus is an EU member, such sad things can
not happen again today!
But is it? Greeks spreading their anti-Turkish venom on these groups
indicate otherwise. I wish that we could have made a go of the Republic of
Cyprus set up in 1960. But it was the Greek side that ripped up the
Agreements by 1963 and had several private armies ready to kill Turks, loot
and set their homes on fire. And what does that say to the Turkish
community? Have you ever thought that?
I tell you your side looted and burned down my house. It is after all
recorded in TV news footage. I give you the exact date. I have now even told
you that it was set on fire in the morning on New Year's Day 1964 and what
do you do? You accuse me of lying. Others say that I never had a house.
What sort of confidence building is that? And you have been doing this for
the past 40 odd years. And you expect the Turks to believe that you have
changed just because the EU wanted an unsinkable aircraft carrier and
quickly admitted Greek Cyprus into the EU.
You expect me to trust your good will when in every message you kept posting
you talked of FASCIST TURKS, NAZI TURKS etc etc.
I am afraid with your stupid actions you have burned your bridges. You can
forget about Cyprus going back to as it was before your beloved underground
EOKA poisoned the atmosphere.
Yeah, I would like the old Cyprus of my childhood days back but I know too
much has happened in the meantime for that ever to happen. Learn to live
with it because this state of affairs has been brought about by the
stupidities and the excesses of the Greek side.
Sorry but these are the facts as I see them.
Post by gogu
So there is no excuse for the invading Turkish army to still be there!
The Turkish Army action brought to an end the suffering of Turkish Cypriots
and led to freeing Greece from the clutches of your Kolonellos. Be thankful
that it cost you so little and you gained your freedom from the Kolonellos
as a direct result of the Turkish action. The Turkish Army will remain in
Cyprus for as long as Turkish Cypriots want them to. For as long as Turkish
Cypriots can feel secure without the Turkish Army there to protect them.
The only way the question can stop being a thorn in the side of Turkey and
Greece is when Turkey together with North Cyprus also join the EU. Things
cannot and will not fundamentally change until then.
Just learn to be realistic. Stop dreaming of blonde Aryan armies capturing
Istanbul for you. They will NOT!!!
Get it now? Entaksi? ENTAKSI!!!
Stop dreaming. The light of day is here. Wakey, wake-up!!!
--
choro-nik
*******
AWESOME POST CHORO-NIK !
Well said my friend
Greeks Beg Freebies and Moan
2006-10-11 23:23:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by choro-nik
Post by gogu
Post by choro-nik
Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his village
in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed in his own
house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my father's
name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Nobody denies that people of both sides have suffered, Turk/Cypriots and
Greek/Cypriots...
Nasty things have happened from both sides...
Oh so sometimes you CAN talk sense...
Post by gogu
But this is *NOT* an excuse for the invading Turkish army to still remain on
the island!
Today it's a different world, Cyprus is an EU member, such sad things can
not happen again today!
But is it? Greeks spreading their anti-Turkish venom on these groups
indicate otherwise. I wish that we could have made a go of the Republic of
Cyprus set up in 1960. But it was the Greek side that ripped up the
Agreements by 1963 and had several private armies ready to kill Turks, loot
and set their homes on fire. And what does that say to the Turkish
community? Have you ever thought that?
I tell you your side looted and burned down my house. It is after all
recorded in TV news footage. I give you the exact date. I have now even told
you that it was set on fire in the morning on New Year's Day 1964 and what
do you do? You accuse me of lying. Others say that I never had a house.
What sort of confidence building is that? And you have been doing this for
the past 40 odd years. And you expect the Turks to believe that you have
changed just because the EU wanted an unsinkable aircraft carrier and
quickly admitted Greek Cyprus into the EU.
You expect me to trust your good will when in every message you kept posting
you talked of FASCIST TURKS, NAZI TURKS etc etc.
I am afraid with your stupid actions you have burned your bridges. You can
forget about Cyprus going back to as it was before your beloved underground
EOKA poisoned the atmosphere.
Yeah, I would like the old Cyprus of my childhood days back but I know too
much has happened in the meantime for that ever to happen. Learn to live
with it because this state of affairs has been brought about by the
stupidities and the excesses of the Greek side.
Sorry but these are the facts as I see them.
Post by gogu
So there is no excuse for the invading Turkish army to still be there!
The Turkish Army action brought to an end the suffering of Turkish Cypriots
and led to freeing Greece from the clutches of your Kolonellos. Be thankful
that it cost you so little and you gained your freedom from the Kolonellos
as a direct result of the Turkish action. The Turkish Army will remain in
Cyprus for as long as Turkish Cypriots want them to. For as long as Turkish
Cypriots can feel secure without the Turkish Army there to protect them.
The only way the question can stop being a thorn in the side of Turkey and
Greece is when Turkey together with North Cyprus also join the EU. Things
cannot and will not fundamentally change until then.
Just learn to be realistic. Stop dreaming of blonde Aryan armies capturing
Istanbul for you. They will NOT!!!
Get it now? Entaksi? ENTAKSI!!!
Stop dreaming. The light of day is here. Wakey, wake-up!!!
--
choro-nik
*******
AWESOME POST CHORO-NIK !

Well said my friend
Hector
2006-10-11 23:28:26 UTC
Permalink
Seanie I had sex with your mamma, but I must admit she told me you gave
her a better time
Greeks Beg Freebies and Moan wrote:I love sex with my mamma
Post by Greeks Beg Freebies and Moan
Post by choro-nik
Post by gogu
Post by choro-nik
Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his village
in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed in his own
house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my father's
name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Nobody denies that people of both sides have suffered, Turk/Cypriots and
Greek/Cypriots...
Nasty things have happened from both sides...
Oh so sometimes you CAN talk sense...
Post by gogu
But this is *NOT* an excuse for the invading Turkish army to still remain on
the island!
Today it's a different world, Cyprus is an EU member, such sad things can
not happen again today!
But is it? Greeks spreading their anti-Turkish venom on these groups
indicate otherwise. I wish that we could have made a go of the Republic of
Cyprus set up in 1960. But it was the Greek side that ripped up the
Agreements by 1963 and had several private armies ready to kill Turks, loot
and set their homes on fire. And what does that say to the Turkish
community? Have you ever thought that?
I tell you your side looted and burned down my house. It is after all
recorded in TV news footage. I give you the exact date. I have now even told
you that it was set on fire in the morning on New Year's Day 1964 and what
do you do? You accuse me of lying. Others say that I never had a house.
What sort of confidence building is that? And you have been doing this for
the past 40 odd years. And you expect the Turks to believe that you have
changed just because the EU wanted an unsinkable aircraft carrier and
quickly admitted Greek Cyprus into the EU.
You expect me to trust your good will when in every message you kept posting
you talked of FASCIST TURKS, NAZI TURKS etc etc.
I am afraid with your stupid actions you have burned your bridges. You can
forget about Cyprus going back to as it was before your beloved underground
EOKA poisoned the atmosphere.
Yeah, I would like the old Cyprus of my childhood days back but I know too
much has happened in the meantime for that ever to happen. Learn to live
with it because this state of affairs has been brought about by the
stupidities and the excesses of the Greek side.
Sorry but these are the facts as I see them.
Post by gogu
So there is no excuse for the invading Turkish army to still be there!
The Turkish Army action brought to an end the suffering of Turkish Cypriots
and led to freeing Greece from the clutches of your Kolonellos. Be thankful
that it cost you so little and you gained your freedom from the Kolonellos
as a direct result of the Turkish action. The Turkish Army will remain in
Cyprus for as long as Turkish Cypriots want them to. For as long as Turkish
Cypriots can feel secure without the Turkish Army there to protect them.
The only way the question can stop being a thorn in the side of Turkey and
Greece is when Turkey together with North Cyprus also join the EU. Things
cannot and will not fundamentally change until then.
Just learn to be realistic. Stop dreaming of blonde Aryan armies capturing
Istanbul for you. They will NOT!!!
Get it now? Entaksi? ENTAKSI!!!
Stop dreaming. The light of day is here. Wakey, wake-up!!!
--
choro-nik
*******
AWESOME POST CHORO-NIK !
Well said my friend
Da Hui
2006-10-12 01:06:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hector
Seanie I had sex with your mamma,
She's been dead for many years GAYson

How rotten was her cadaver ?

Sick Bastard Greeks ! always fucking with something !
Panta Rhei
2006-10-12 02:38:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Da Hui
Post by Hector
Seanie I had sex with your mamma,
She's been dead for many years GAYson
How rotten was her cadaver ?
Sick Bastard Greeks ! always fucking with something !
Yeah, the Greeks sure know how to fuck you relentlessly in these groups!
Just good for you that you are such a masochist! Remember: your wife's
"massive strap-on"! Buahahahaaaaaaa....
--
Living the life of a ridiculed, bitchslapped loony on usenet helps Sean
Ruttledge forget the failures in his life.
choro-nik
2006-10-12 01:53:19 UTC
Permalink
What you said is irrelevant to the discussion, Hector. Nor is it funny or
clever even.

Get lost Hector. Go and flip your burgers before they get burnt.

NB= Some people can never utter anything meaningful let alone satirical. And
Hector simply hasn't got it. It's as simple as that!!!
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Hector
Seanie I had sex with your mamma, but I must admit she told me you gave
her a better time
Greeks Beg Freebies and Moan wrote:I love sex with my mamma
Post by Greeks Beg Freebies and Moan
Post by choro-nik
Post by gogu
Post by choro-nik
Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his village
in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed in
his
own
house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my father's
name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Nobody denies that people of both sides have suffered, Turk/Cypriots and
Greek/Cypriots...
Nasty things have happened from both sides...
Oh so sometimes you CAN talk sense...
Post by gogu
But this is *NOT* an excuse for the invading Turkish army to still
remain
on
the island!
Today it's a different world, Cyprus is an EU member, such sad things can
not happen again today!
But is it? Greeks spreading their anti-Turkish venom on these groups
indicate otherwise. I wish that we could have made a go of the Republic of
Cyprus set up in 1960. But it was the Greek side that ripped up the
Agreements by 1963 and had several private armies ready to kill Turks, loot
and set their homes on fire. And what does that say to the Turkish
community? Have you ever thought that?
I tell you your side looted and burned down my house. It is after all
recorded in TV news footage. I give you the exact date. I have now even told
you that it was set on fire in the morning on New Year's Day 1964 and what
do you do? You accuse me of lying. Others say that I never had a house.
What sort of confidence building is that? And you have been doing this for
the past 40 odd years. And you expect the Turks to believe that you have
changed just because the EU wanted an unsinkable aircraft carrier and
quickly admitted Greek Cyprus into the EU.
You expect me to trust your good will when in every message you kept posting
you talked of FASCIST TURKS, NAZI TURKS etc etc.
I am afraid with your stupid actions you have burned your bridges. You can
forget about Cyprus going back to as it was before your beloved underground
EOKA poisoned the atmosphere.
Yeah, I would like the old Cyprus of my childhood days back but I know too
much has happened in the meantime for that ever to happen. Learn to live
with it because this state of affairs has been brought about by the
stupidities and the excesses of the Greek side.
Sorry but these are the facts as I see them.
Post by gogu
So there is no excuse for the invading Turkish army to still be there!
The Turkish Army action brought to an end the suffering of Turkish Cypriots
and led to freeing Greece from the clutches of your Kolonellos. Be thankful
that it cost you so little and you gained your freedom from the Kolonellos
as a direct result of the Turkish action. The Turkish Army will remain in
Cyprus for as long as Turkish Cypriots want them to. For as long as Turkish
Cypriots can feel secure without the Turkish Army there to protect them.
The only way the question can stop being a thorn in the side of Turkey and
Greece is when Turkey together with North Cyprus also join the EU. Things
cannot and will not fundamentally change until then.
Just learn to be realistic. Stop dreaming of blonde Aryan armies capturing
Istanbul for you. They will NOT!!!
Get it now? Entaksi? ENTAKSI!!!
Stop dreaming. The light of day is here. Wakey, wake-up!!!
--
choro-nik
*******
AWESOME POST CHORO-NIK !
Well said my friend
Panta Rhei
2006-10-12 03:29:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by choro-nik
What you said is irrelevant to the discussion
Boy, your entire sick, slimy self is irrelevant for any discussion!!
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gogu
2006-10-12 16:39:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by choro-nik
What you said is irrelevant to the discussion, Hector. Nor is it funny or
clever even.
Get lost Hector. Go and flip your burgers before they get burnt.
NB= Some people can never utter anything meaningful let alone satirical.
And Hector simply hasn't got it. It's as simple as that!!!
It is amazing how this NAZI Turk and his alike when caught red handed they
always try to hide their racism and barbarity behind excuses like "Some
people can never utter anything meaningful let alone satirical";-)
--
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in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

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http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Hector
Seanie I had sex with your mamma, but I must admit she told me you gave
her a better time
Greeks Beg Freebies and Moan wrote:I love sex with my mamma
Post by Greeks Beg Freebies and Moan
Post by choro-nik
Post by gogu
Post by choro-nik
Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his village
in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed in
his
own
house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my father's
name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Nobody denies that people of both sides have suffered, Turk/Cypriots and
Greek/Cypriots...
Nasty things have happened from both sides...
Oh so sometimes you CAN talk sense...
Post by gogu
But this is *NOT* an excuse for the invading Turkish army to still
remain
on
the island!
Today it's a different world, Cyprus is an EU member, such sad things can
not happen again today!
But is it? Greeks spreading their anti-Turkish venom on these groups
indicate otherwise. I wish that we could have made a go of the Republic of
Cyprus set up in 1960. But it was the Greek side that ripped up the
Agreements by 1963 and had several private armies ready to kill Turks, loot
and set their homes on fire. And what does that say to the Turkish
community? Have you ever thought that?
I tell you your side looted and burned down my house. It is after all
recorded in TV news footage. I give you the exact date. I have now even told
you that it was set on fire in the morning on New Year's Day 1964 and what
do you do? You accuse me of lying. Others say that I never had a house.
What sort of confidence building is that? And you have been doing this for
the past 40 odd years. And you expect the Turks to believe that you have
changed just because the EU wanted an unsinkable aircraft carrier and
quickly admitted Greek Cyprus into the EU.
You expect me to trust your good will when in every message you kept posting
you talked of FASCIST TURKS, NAZI TURKS etc etc.
I am afraid with your stupid actions you have burned your bridges. You can
forget about Cyprus going back to as it was before your beloved underground
EOKA poisoned the atmosphere.
Yeah, I would like the old Cyprus of my childhood days back but I know too
much has happened in the meantime for that ever to happen. Learn to live
with it because this state of affairs has been brought about by the
stupidities and the excesses of the Greek side.
Sorry but these are the facts as I see them.
Post by gogu
So there is no excuse for the invading Turkish army to still be there!
The Turkish Army action brought to an end the suffering of Turkish Cypriots
and led to freeing Greece from the clutches of your Kolonellos. Be thankful
that it cost you so little and you gained your freedom from the Kolonellos
as a direct result of the Turkish action. The Turkish Army will remain in
Cyprus for as long as Turkish Cypriots want them to. For as long as Turkish
Cypriots can feel secure without the Turkish Army there to protect them.
The only way the question can stop being a thorn in the side of Turkey and
Greece is when Turkey together with North Cyprus also join the EU. Things
cannot and will not fundamentally change until then.
Just learn to be realistic. Stop dreaming of blonde Aryan armies capturing
Istanbul for you. They will NOT!!!
Get it now? Entaksi? ENTAKSI!!!
Stop dreaming. The light of day is here. Wakey, wake-up!!!
--
choro-nik
*******
AWESOME POST CHORO-NIK !
Well said my friend
Da Hui
2006-10-11 01:53:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by gogu
Post by choro-nik
Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his village
in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed in his own
house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my father's
name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Nobody denies that people of both sides have suffered, Turk/Cypriots and
Greek/Cypriots...
Nasty things have happened from both sides...
But this is *NOT* an excuse for the invading Turkish army to still remain on
the island!
Today it's a different world, Cyprus is an EU member, such sad things can
not happen again today!
So there is no excuse for the invading Turkish army to still be there!
The Turkish army have kept the peace for over 30 years you dullard,
befor the Turkish army arrived grik Cypriots thought they could go
around slaughtering unarmed Turkish Cypriot civillians and stealing
their land

There is also an "excuse" for Dhekelia and Akrotiri too DIPSHIT The
Turkish army is not the only foreign army based on Cyprus

Cry more, defeated grik LOSERS
Panta Rhei
2006-10-11 02:50:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Da Hui
The Turkish army have kept the peace for over 30 years you dullard,
Did your fat and ugly Turkish wife tell you that, dumb Weenie Beanie? I
bet, she did! BTW, was she ready to get a bigger size of her already
"massive strap-on" for you? Buahahahaaaa...
--
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Ruttledge forget the failures in his life.
choro-nik
2006-10-11 03:23:01 UTC
Permalink
Hey Da Hui, did you know that Greek Cypriots were at one time demanding yes
demanding and with menaces the cool sum of £12 million pounds sterling
rental money a year from the Brits for the British Sovereign Areas in
Cyprus.

Apparently they couldn't comprehend the significance of the word "Sovereign"
in the International Agreements they had signed.

Heaven knows what £12 million a year in those days would be worth in today's
money.

Can you imagine the cheek of it; demanding rental with menaces for the
"Sovereign" Base Areas?
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Da Hui
Post by gogu
Post by choro-nik
Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his village
in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed in his own
house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my father's
name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Nobody denies that people of both sides have suffered, Turk/Cypriots and
Greek/Cypriots...
Nasty things have happened from both sides...
But this is *NOT* an excuse for the invading Turkish army to still remain on
the island!
Today it's a different world, Cyprus is an EU member, such sad things can
not happen again today!
So there is no excuse for the invading Turkish army to still be there!
The Turkish army have kept the peace for over 30 years you dullard,
befor the Turkish army arrived grik Cypriots thought they could go
around slaughtering unarmed Turkish Cypriot civillians and stealing
their land
There is also an "excuse" for Dhekelia and Akrotiri too DIPSHIT The
Turkish army is not the only foreign army based on Cyprus
Cry more, defeated grik LOSERS
Panta Rhei
2006-10-11 03:45:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by choro-nik
Hey Da Hui, did you know that Greek Cypriots were at one time demanding yes
demanding and with menaces the cool sum of £12 million pounds sterling
rental money a year from the Brits for the British Sovereign Areas in
Cyprus.
Did they only want a few million? Now this article here is about BILLIONS
of $!!! Read and learn something about the Turkish character and about
yourself, slimy Turk!


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,78890,00.html

Turkey Wants Money In Exchange for Basing Troops
Tuesday, February 18, 2003

ISTANBUL, Turkey — Turkey asked the United States to nearly double its
multibillion dollar aid package as a condition for allowing U.S. troops on
its soil in a war against neighboring Iraq, diplomats said Tuesday.

The Turkish parliament had been expected to vote Tuesday on whether to
allow tens of thousands of U.S. combat troops in Turkey, which would be
necessary for a northern front in any war against Iraq.

Instead, officials gave U.S. Ambassador Robert Pearson a new proposal late
Monday for a beefed-up economic aid package that would provide compensation
for any losses in an Iraq war.

Top politician Recep Tayyip Erdogan said authorization for U.S. combat
troops to be deployed in Turkey depended on Washington meeting Turkish
demands.

"The other side must meet our demands, and if they do, we shall see. After
this is finalized, the authorization will come to parliament," Erdogan was
quoted as saying by the Anatolia news agency.

The delay could upset U.S. war plans as ships carrying the tanks and
armored vehicles that would be used in a thrust from Turkey into Iraq are
already reportedly on the way to Turkey.

Washington says opening a northern front would shorten the war, making it
less deadly.

A Western diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that although
the United States had made its final offer to Turkey, Washington was
reviewing the latest Turkish proposal. A response was expected later
Tuesday or Wednesday.

The diplomat said Turkey had to make a decision on U.S. troops this week —
the sooner the better — or risk being left out of any future planning of an
Iraq war. Analysts warned that Turkish-U.S. relations also were at risk.

Newspapers reported that a vote could take place Thursday. Turkish
officials refused to give a date.

Turkish and U.S. officials have been in intense negotiations for weeks on
the conditions of the U.S. deployment.

Diplomats say a particular sticking point is an economic aid package to
cushion NATO member Turkey from losses incurred in the war. Turkey is
barely emerging from a deep economic crisis, which saw some 2 million
people lose their jobs.

According to the proposal put forward by Turkish officials late Monday,
Turkey is demanding $10 billion in grants and up to $20 billion in
long-term loans, diplomats said.

Turks and Americans had been negotiating on the basis of $4 billion to $6
billion in grants and $10 billion to $15 billion in loans, according to
news reports and diplomats. The grants reportedly would be split between
cash and military debt write-offs.

Turkey's economy is heavily dependent on loans of the International
Monetary Fund and U.S. support is seen as key for Ankara to secure the
loans.

Erdogan, who is leader of the governing Justice and Development Party,
warned that Turkey could not be forced into backing a U.S.-led war because
of its economic difficulties.

"Nobody should expect a decision or an attitude dictated by Turkey's
temporary problems and troubles," he said.

Erdogan urged the United States to take into account Turkey's importance as
a strategic ally.

Erdogan appeared nonetheless to advise his party members to vote in favor
of allowing the U.S. deployment.

"You will either remain outside the process, remain an onlooker to history
and ... put up with the outcome, or you will play an active role in shaping
history," Erdogan said.

Turkey wants to send tens of thousands of troops into northern Iraq to
prevent the creation of a Kurdish state in northern Iraq, which its fears
would boost aspirations among Turkey's 12 million Kurds.
choro-nik
2006-10-11 12:22:51 UTC
Permalink
That's because the Turks got wise after the event when the Turkish economy
took a heavy toll as a result of the 1st Gulf War. Why should Turkey pay for
America's war in Iraq anyway?

And aids packages are not aid in any case. It is money that has to be paid
back and paid back with interest. Not like rent which is pennies from
heaven?

What DO you know you stupid Panta? You don't even know what international
so-called "aid" means. It is not aid at all and often is of greater benefit
to the donor nation than the so-called recipient of such "aid".

But fancy the cheeky Greeks seeking to make the Brits for using the land
that was theirs under the Agreements. The bloody cheek of it. It is like the
tenant asking the landlord to pay rent.
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Panta Rhei
Post by choro-nik
Hey Da Hui, did you know that Greek Cypriots were at one time demanding yes
demanding and with menaces the cool sum of £12 million pounds sterling
rental money a year from the Brits for the British Sovereign Areas in
Cyprus.
Did they only want a few million? Now this article here is about BILLIONS
of $!!! Read and learn something about the Turkish character and about
yourself, slimy Turk!
[....]
Panta Rhei
2006-10-11 12:38:02 UTC
Permalink
choro-sick, the slimy Turk, writes:

<snip proof of the yokel's "Turkishness">

LOL Thanks for your exposition! I sure hope, more and more people get to
learn what "Turkishness" means! LMAO!
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs, better at blow jobs.
choro-nik
2006-10-11 15:09:04 UTC
Permalink
That's because the Turks got wise after the event when the Turkish economy
took a heavy toll as a result of the 1st Gulf War. Why should Turkey pay for
America's war in Iraq anyway?

And aids packages are not aid in any case. It is money that has to be paid
back and paid back with interest. Not like rent which is pennies from
heaven?

What DO you know you stupid Panta? You don't even know what international
so-called "aid" means. It is not aid at all and often is of greater benefit
to the donor nation than the so-called recipient of such "aid".

But fancy the cheeky Greeks seeking to make the Brits for using the land
that was theirs under the Agreements. The bloody cheek of it. It is like the
tenant asking the landlord to pay rent.
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Panta Rhei
<snip proof of the yokel's "Turkishness">
LOL Thanks for your exposition! I sure hope, more and more people get to
learn what "Turkishness" means! LMAO!
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs, me Panta (always) better at blow
jobs.
Panta Rhei
2006-10-11 15:53:17 UTC
Permalink
choro-sick, the slimy Turk, writes:

<snip more proof of the yokel's "Turkishness">

LOL Thanks for your exposition, blathering yokel! I sure hope, more and
more people can learn from you what "Turkishness" actually means! LMAO!
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs, better at blow jobs.
choro-nik
2006-10-11 17:41:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Panta Rhei
<snip more proof of the yokel's "Turkishness">
LOL Thanks for your exposition, blathering yokel! I sure hope, more and
more people can learn from you what "Turkishness" actually means! LMAO!
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs; but me Panta better at blow jobs.
Panta Rhei
2006-10-11 19:25:25 UTC
Permalink
choro-sick, the slimy Turk, writes:

<nothing>

Well, you swine, have you stopped hallucinating for a while with your sick,
Turkish mind? <BG>
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs, better at blow jobs.
choro-nik
2006-10-11 21:34:41 UTC
Permalink
How's the boyfriend in Cairo, Aisha? You still remember him fondly, I take
it.

Tell us old girl, tell us about your fond memories of Cairo. Tell us about
the Arabist in you. Tell us about your anti-US and anti-CIA activities. Did
they really do you in Aisha? Is that why you have turned against your own
country? Is that why you fled to Communist Hungary?

And what did you expect when you finally return to the USA? To become a
celebrity?

Instead I guess you couldn't get a decent job because you could never get
security clearance because you were blacklisted by the CIA and the FBI and
now you have had to resort to selling your services off to any bidder as a
$5 hack.

Tell me Aisha, what nick do you use in posting other people's works onto
anti-US NGs? Oh, I don't much care for Bush either but your anti-US
vehemence is in a different category.

Tell me Aisha of your woes. How you left it too late to apply for a position
with Milosevic's cronies, how your life has always been one of missing the
train, missing the gravy-boat. See what you've done to yourself old girl?
Tell me what have you achieved so far during your miserable life here on
earth? You are a sextegenerian now, aren't you? What have you achieved
during those sixty plus years other than becoming a failure in everything
you put your hand to?

Oh, I know old girl, sometimes your hand goes 'there' as well. But tell me
apart from that just what have you achieved in life apart from becoming very
successful at becoming a social misfit?
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Panta Rhei
<nothing>
Well, you swine, have you stopped hallucinating for a while with your sick,
Turkish mind? <BG>
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs, better at blow jobs.
meanderII
2006-10-11 21:43:55 UTC
Permalink
Darn, you got a lot of enemies around the whole world, you Turks! Must
be
something about you Turks! What could it only be? Your inveterate
fascism,
your notorious stupidity of which you are such an outstanding example?
LMAO!
Post by choro-nik
How's the boyfriend in Cairo, Aisha? You still remember him fondly, I take
it.
Tell us old girl, tell us about your fond memories of Cairo. Tell us about
the Arabist in you. Tell us about your anti-US and anti-CIA activities. Did
they really do you in Aisha? Is that why you have turned against your own
country? Is that why you fled to Communist Hungary?
And what did you expect when you finally return to the USA? To become a
celebrity?
Instead I guess you couldn't get a decent job because you could never get
security clearance because you were blacklisted by the CIA and the FBI and
now you have had to resort to selling your services off to any bidder as a
$5 hack.
Tell me Aisha, what nick do you use in posting other people's works onto
anti-US NGs? Oh, I don't much care for Bush either but your anti-US
vehemence is in a different category.
Tell me Aisha of your woes. How you left it too late to apply for a position
with Milosevic's cronies, how your life has always been one of missing the
train, missing the gravy-boat. See what you've done to yourself old girl?
Tell me what have you achieved so far during your miserable life here on
earth? You are a sextegenerian now, aren't you? What have you achieved
during those sixty plus years other than becoming a failure in everything
you put your hand to?
Oh, I know old girl, sometimes your hand goes 'there' as well. But tell me
apart from that just what have you achieved in life apart from becoming very
successful at becoming a social misfit?
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Panta Rhei
<nothing>
Well, you swine, have you stopped hallucinating for a while with your sick,
Turkish mind? <BG>
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs, better at blow jobs.
choro-nik
2006-10-11 23:45:18 UTC
Permalink
Keep on meandering you demented thing with the twisted mind...
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by meanderII
Darn, you got a lot of enemies around the whole world, you Turks! Must
be
something about you Turks! What could it only be? Your inveterate
fascism,
your notorious stupidity of which you are such an outstanding example?
LMAO!
Post by choro-nik
How's the boyfriend in Cairo, Aisha? You still remember him fondly, I take
it.
Tell us old girl, tell us about your fond memories of Cairo. Tell us about
the Arabist in you. Tell us about your anti-US and anti-CIA activities. Did
they really do you in Aisha? Is that why you have turned against your own
country? Is that why you fled to Communist Hungary?
And what did you expect when you finally return to the USA? To become a
celebrity?
Instead I guess you couldn't get a decent job because you could never get
security clearance because you were blacklisted by the CIA and the FBI and
now you have had to resort to selling your services off to any bidder as a
$5 hack.
Tell me Aisha, what nick do you use in posting other people's works onto
anti-US NGs? Oh, I don't much care for Bush either but your anti-US
vehemence is in a different category.
Tell me Aisha of your woes. How you left it too late to apply for a position
with Milosevic's cronies, how your life has always been one of missing the
train, missing the gravy-boat. See what you've done to yourself old girl?
Tell me what have you achieved so far during your miserable life here on
earth? You are a sextegenerian now, aren't you? What have you achieved
during those sixty plus years other than becoming a failure in everything
you put your hand to?
Oh, I know old girl, sometimes your hand goes 'there' as well. But tell me
apart from that just what have you achieved in life apart from becoming very
successful at becoming a social misfit?
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Panta Rhei
<nothing>
Well, you swine, have you stopped hallucinating for a while with your sick,
Turkish mind? <BG>
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs, better at blow jobs.
Panta Rhei
2006-10-12 00:55:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by choro-nik
Keep on meandering you demented thing with the twisted mind...
<BG> YOU, of all people, call someone else "demented" and "twisted"!!!!
Primitive Turks with computers! LMAO!
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs, better at blow jobs.
Panta Rhei
2006-10-11 22:01:38 UTC
Permalink
choro-sick, the slimy Turk, writes:

<snip the usual predictable Turkish garbage>

*ROTFLOL* What a blathering idiot! Well, in short: a Turk! LMAO! Thanks for
the entertainment, you hilariously dumb Turk!
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs, better at blow jobs.
choro-nik
2006-10-11 23:45:19 UTC
Permalink
How's the boyfriend in Cairo, Aisha? You still remember him fondly, I take
it.

Tell us old girl, tell us about your fond memories of Cairo. Tell us about
the Arabist in you. Tell us about your anti-US and anti-CIA activities. Did
they really do you in Aisha? Is that why you have turned against your own
country? Is that why you fled to Communist Hungary?

And what did you expect when you finally return to the USA? To become a
celebrity?

Instead I guess you couldn't get a decent job because you could never get
security clearance because you were blacklisted by the CIA and the FBI and
now you have had to resort to selling your services off to any bidder as a
$5 hack.

Tell me Aisha, what nick do you use in posting other people's works onto
anti-US NGs? Oh, I don't much care for Bush either but your anti-US
vehemence is in a different category.

Tell me Aisha of your woes. How you left it too late to apply for a position
with Milosevic's cronies, how your life has always been one of missing the
train, missing the gravy-boat. See what you've done to yourself old girl?
Tell me what have you achieved so far during your miserable life here on
earth? You are a sextegenerian now, aren't you? What have you achieved
during those sixty plus years other than becoming a failure in everything
you put your hand to?

Oh, I know old girl, sometimes your hand goes 'there' as well. But tell me
apart from that just what have you achieved in life apart from becoming very
successful at becoming a social misfit?

BTW, how's your anti-Bush campaign coming along in the USA? Managed to
scrounge some more dollars from your following? Or are you but just a minor
cog in the anti-Bush campaign. Not that I admire Bush. But that's another
matter altogether. I wonder do they know about your past?
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Panta Rhei
<snip the usual predictable Turkish garbage>
*ROTFLOL* What a blathering idiot! Well, in short: a Turk! LMAO! Thanks for
the entertainment, you hilariously dumb Turk!
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs but me better at blow jobs.
Panta Rhei
2006-10-12 00:31:02 UTC
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choro-sick, the slimy Turk, writes:

<snip all the usual, sick Turkish crap>

*ROTFLOL*

Yeah, you hilarious fool, just keep telling us more about the things you
"know" in your sick, depraved Turkish mind, slimy Turk! Will contribute
to everyone's entertainment here! Hahahaaaaa...
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs, better at blow jobs.
choro-nik
2006-10-11 23:05:13 UTC
Permalink
How's the boyfriend in Cairo, Aisha? You still remember him fondly, I take
it.

Tell us old girl, tell us about your fond memories of Cairo. Tell us about
the Arabist in you. Tell us about your anti-US and anti-CIA activities. Did
they really do you in Aisha? Is that why you have turned against your own
country? Is that why you fled to Communist Hungary?

And what did you expect when you finally return to the USA? To become a
celebrity?

Instead I guess you couldn't get a decent job because you could never get
security clearance because you were blacklisted by the CIA and the FBI and
now you have had to resort to selling your services off to any bidder as a
$5 hack.

Tell me Aisha, what nick do you use in posting other people's works onto
anti-US NGs? Oh, I don't much care for Bush either but your anti-US
vehemence is in a different category.

Tell me Aisha of your woes. How you left it too late to apply for a position
with Milosevic's cronies, how your life has always been one of missing the
train, missing the gravy-boat. See what you've done to yourself old girl?
Tell me what have you achieved so far during your miserable life here on
earth? You are a sextegenerian now, aren't you? What have you achieved
during those sixty plus years other than becoming a failure in everything
you put your hand to?

Oh, I know old girl, sometimes your hand goes 'there' as well. But tell me
apart from that just what have you achieved in life apart from becoming very
successful at becoming a social misfit?
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Panta Rhei
<nothing>
Well, you swine, have you stopped hallucinating for a while with your sick,
Turkish mind? <BG>
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs but me Panta better at blow jobs.
Hector
2006-10-11 23:16:10 UTC
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Sorry, are you one of those NAZI Turks?!
Because you gutter language, your low education, etc it certainly looks
like
that;-)
As for the "Greco-Armenian propaganda", if you think that it's nothing
but a
zero, then why are you out of your mind and replying to each and every
post,
like a BOZO you are?;-)
Post by choro-nik
How's the boyfriend in Cairo, Aisha? You still remember him fondly, I take
it.
Tell us old girl, tell us about your fond memories of Cairo. Tell us about
the Arabist in you. Tell us about your anti-US and anti-CIA activities. Did
they really do you in Aisha? Is that why you have turned against your own
country? Is that why you fled to Communist Hungary?
And what did you expect when you finally return to the USA? To become a
celebrity?
Instead I guess you couldn't get a decent job because you could never get
security clearance because you were blacklisted by the CIA and the FBI and
now you have had to resort to selling your services off to any bidder as a
$5 hack.
Tell me Aisha, what nick do you use in posting other people's works onto
anti-US NGs? Oh, I don't much care for Bush either but your anti-US
vehemence is in a different category.
Tell me Aisha of your woes. How you left it too late to apply for a position
with Milosevic's cronies, how your life has always been one of missing the
train, missing the gravy-boat. See what you've done to yourself old girl?
Tell me what have you achieved so far during your miserable life here on
earth? You are a sextegenerian now, aren't you? What have you achieved
during those sixty plus years other than becoming a failure in everything
you put your hand to?
Oh, I know old girl, sometimes your hand goes 'there' as well. But tell me
apart from that just what have you achieved in life apart from becoming very
successful at becoming a social misfit?
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Panta Rhei
<nothing>
Well, you swine, have you stopped hallucinating for a while with your sick,
Turkish mind? <BG>
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs but me Panta better at blow jobs.
Panta Rhei
2006-10-11 23:40:26 UTC
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choro-sick, the slimy Turk, writes:

<snip all the usual, sick Turkish crap>

*ROTFLOL*

Keep telling us more about all the things you "know", you ridiculous, sick,
depraved Turk! Will contribute to everyone's entertainment! Hahahaaaaa...
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs, better at blow jobs.
choro-nik
2006-10-12 01:53:19 UTC
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Come, let me give you me plum so we can make up.
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Panta Rhei
<snip all the usual, sick Turkish crap>
*ROTFLOL*
Keep telling us more about all the things you "know", you ridiculous, sick,
depraved Turk! Will contribute to everyone's entertainment! Hahahaaaaa...
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs, better at blow jobs.
Panta Rhei
2006-10-12 03:09:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by choro-nik
Come, let me give you me plum so we can make up.
Just offer your plum to dumb Seanie, that guy is about as slimy and
depraved as you are and, strangely, seems not to be disgusted by you! <G>
--
Slimy choro-sick: good at snow jobs, better at blow jobs.
Spirit of Truth
2006-10-15 08:09:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by choro-nik
Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his village
in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed in his own
house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my father's
name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Now what have you got to say to THAT?!
Stop lying.

For fair use only:


MEDIA BYPASS

Vol. 8, #11, November 2000

pp. 28-31

Torturing Cypriot History
Hostile Environment of Yesteryear Still Remembered

by Matthew J. Stowell

As an American with no Cypriot or Greek ancestry, I understand how Cyprus'
complex and, to most Americans, obscure past can make many easy prey to the
disinformation fed our press by the Turkish government.

A common propaganda bite used by the Turkish state to legitimize its 1974
invasion of Cyprus is that "The Greek Cypriots then unleashed a campaign of
extermination and eviction that killed or wounded thousands and drove a
frightening percentage of Turkish Cypriots into besieged enclaves.."
(Insight Magazine, "Fences Might Be the Right Thing for Multiethnic Nation
of Cyprus", Ahmet Erdengiz, Feb. 7).

This claim has been refuted by findings of impartial sources such as the UN
Secretary General's report No. S/5950, para. 142 which confirms that as a
result of the brief but turbulent period of hostilities between Greek and
Turkish-Cypriot extremists from December 21, 1963 to June 8, 1964, a total
of 43 Greek Cypriots and 232 Turkish Cypriots are missing and presumed dead.
Clearly, this was no "campaign of extermination".

Moreover, these deaths were a direct result of Britain's documented policy
of arming Turkish separatists and encouraging Greco-Turkish conflict to
facilitate its control over Cyprus.

While extremists of both communities are to blame for intercommunal
violence, fueled by British attempts to prevent this overwhelmingly Greek
island-nation from achieving its self-determination, history is clear that
Turkish extremists initiated the cycle of violence that claimed victims on
both sides.

In June of 1958, a bomb explosion outside the information office of the
Turkish Consulate-- later shown to have been planted by Turkish extremists
(the "TMT")--set off the first intercommunal clashes on Cyprus. As noted by
British author Christopher Hitchens in his highly acclaimed work on Cyprus,
Hostage to History, the self-proclaimed president of Cyprus' occupation
regime, Rauf Denktash, admitted in a 1984 interview that it was a Turkish
Cypriot friend who planted the bomb. As a result, "Turkish Cypriots
promptly burned out a neighboring district of Greek shops and homes, in what
was to be the first Greek-Turkish physical confrontation on the island. A
curfew was imposed, and Greek guerrillas [were] blamed [by British
authorities] for the bomb as they were for everything else."

Next the British released from jail eight Greek Cypriot EOKA fighters,
forcing them to walk through the Turkish village of Guenyeli, where they
were quickly set upon and murdered. Thus began two months of violence by
extremists on both sides, killing 56 Greeks and 53 Turks. Tellingly, the
British arrested 2,000 Greeks, but only 60 Turks.

In addition to the hostile environment that was created by combatants on
both sides, there was a second factor that led to the polarization of both
communities: with a view toward partition, the Turks withdrew from
predominantly Greek areas and evicted Greeks from areas where Turks were in
the majority. In a single week over 600 families, two-thirds of them Greek,
left their homes, and many Turks who left Greek areas did so under intense
pressure from Turkish separatists.

Turkish Cypriots who favored compromise or a close relationship between the
two ethnic communities were targets of TMT violence. Turks caught smoking
Greek cigarettes or visiting Greek shops were beaten, and Turkish gangs
forced some Turkish Cypriots to resign from Greek Cypriot trade unions. In
Limassol, a Turkish Cypriot owner of a restaurant popular with Greeks was
threatened and later murdered by the TMT. Two progressive-thinking,
London-educated Turkish barristers who spoke against partition were killed
outright by these same Turkish gangs.

Turkish extremists forced several thousand Turkish peasants to abandon their
farms and animals and move into an overcrowded Turkish enclave in Nicosia.
"Thus the aim of partition, camouflaged by Turkish propaganda as
'federation,' was relentlessly pursued regardless of loss of human life and
the human misery created. However, this so-called 'first phase' of the
invasion of Cyprus by Turkey only partly succeeded, since well over half of
its brethren refused to obey instructions to abandon their homes for the
predetermined enclaves" (The Making of Modern Cyprus, Panteli). On December
23, 1963, Turkish gangs also moved through the Armenian quarter of Nicosia
and forced the inhabitants at gunpoint to leave their houses, shops, church,
school and clubs to make room for more Turks.

This forced population transfer continues in occupied Cyprus today. Since
1974, Turkey has relocated over 125,000 mainland Turks to northern Cyprus.
In this clearly illegal, Soviet-style effort to alter the demographics of
northern Cyprus, one which the UN has condemned, Turkey has displaced not
only the few remaining Greek Cypriots but also Turkish Cypriots, who are
often treated as second-class citizens and denied the rights and privileges
of the alien settlers from Turkey.

As a result, a diminishing number of Cyprus' indigenous Turks remain.
Turkey has made it easy for them to obtain visas to emigrate, and they have
left en masse, mostly for Britain and Turkey as well as other Mideast
countries; some have even escaped through the Green Line and returned to the
Greek south.

Apologists for Turkey's invasion disingenuously omit the imperative fact
that it is the Greek Cypriot community that bore the overwhelming brunt of
violence on Cyprus. As a result of Turkey's 1974 invasion, fittingly
codenamed "Operation Attila", Turkish troops perpetrated more than 6,000
killings, widespread rape, torture, the systematic obliteration of cultural
property including the destruction of churches, and the ethnic cleansing of
200,000 Greek Cypriots--making them refugees in their own country and
bringing twenty-six years of heartbreak for the families of more than 1,500
missing persons.

Placing Turkey's invasion of neighboring Cyprus in a contemporary context,
four times as many Greek Cypriots were killed by Turkish troops as Albanians
were killed in Kosovo prior to NATO's intervention--and in one-sixth the
time frame. Yet Serbia was bombed back to the Stone Age, while Turkey's
occupation of Cyprus continues to enjoy tacit US support.

In numerous applications to the European Human Rights Commission, Turkey was
found guilty of widespread violations of human rights in Cyprus. Although
the European Court of Human Rights has ordered the Turkish government to
compensate Greek Cypriot Titina Loizidou for the loss of her property seized
during its invasion, Turkey remains the only member of the 40-nation Council
of Europe to refuse compliance with a compensation order from its human
rights court -- a breach that could lead to Turkey's expulsion from the
Council.

The 1963 constitution forced on the Cypriots by the British in a
take-it-or-leave-it standoff--with the alternative being partition--was
known as "the most rigid, inflexible, and probably the most complicated in
the world" (S.A. DeSmith, The New Commonwealth and Its Constituents). The
president, a Greek Cypriot, and the vice president, a Turkish Cypriot, could
each veto legislation. Despite comprising only 18% of the population,
Turkish Cypriots were granted three of the ten seats in the Council of
Ministers and thirty percent of the deputy positions in the House of
Representatives. A Turkish Cypriot was to be made minister of defense,
foreign affairs and finance. Turkish Cypriots were allotted 30% of the
civil service jobs and 40% of the command positions in the Army. Any change
to the constitution required a two-thirds majority of representatives from
both communities. Even the most rudimentary of governmental functions
became impracticable--for example the Turkish Cypriot leadership's voting
against income and other taxes had placed the government in danger of
bankruptcy. In short, the government was hog-tied; Cyprus' very undoing was
written into its own constitution.

Other assertions by the Turkish government, that "President Makarios craved
union with Greece and the subjugation of Turkish Cypriots . and proposed
amendments to the constitution to achieve these objectives" (Insight
Magazine, Feb. 7), are patently false. By the time this ill-conceived
marriage of a government and its unworkable constitution was imposed on
Cyprus, Makarios was opposed to union with Greece. He sought complete
independence for Cyprus and a unified sovereign state that protected the
rights of all Cypriots, both Greek and Turkish.

It was precisely because Makarios opposed union with Greece that Greek
extremists shelled the presidential palace and twice attempted to
assassinate him. The amendments he proposed to the constitution were
designed to make the government (which has been described by legal experts
as "the first in the world to be denied majority rule by its own
constitution") somewhat workable and to reflect a closer approximation of
the true ratio of Greeks to Turks in Cyprus. Makarios submitted these
proposals to the Vice President, a Turkish Cypriot, who did not respond.
Instead, the Turkish government, reflecting its dominant role in separatist
efforts, answered for him: Turkey rejected the proposals out of hand and
forbade the Turkish Cypriots from even discussing them. Shortly thereafter,
the Turkish Cypriots abandoned the government completely.

Turkey's 1974 assault on Cyprus is commonly referred to by many in the media
as a "landing", a "dispatch of troops" or as anything other than what it
was: a brutal invasion. Turkey also misleadingly argues that the invasion
was authorized by the Treaty of Guarantee. The Treaty of Guarantee provided
that one of the guarantor powers (England, Greece or Turkey) could intervene
in an emergency but only in order to restore the country to its original
(unified) state, and certainly not to partition, ethnically cleanse or
occupy it. And under the U.S.-Turkey Agreement of July 1947, American
consent was required for the use of military force by Turkey because
virtually all of Turkey's military equipment, weapons, tanks and fighter
jets, was supplied by the U.S. This consent was never given. On the very
day of the invasion, July 20, 1974, the United Nations Security Council
condemned Turkey for its aggression, demanding that Turkey withdraw all
troops and allow the displaced Greek Cypriots to return to their confiscated
homes.

There have been at least three further UN resolutions since 1974 demanding
the same, but Turkey has ignored them all. This is why the "Turkish
Republic of Northern Cyprus," the TRNC, is not recognized by any country in
the world except for Turkey and has no legitimate international standing.

The continuing insistence on partition by Turkey, using the protection of
the Turkish-Cypriot community as a pretext, is merely part of Turkey's
long-held expansionist plans for the island. According to Professor John L.
Scherer, in Blocking the Sun: The Cyprus Conflict, "Since the 1950s, [Turkey
's] plan had been to turn northern Cyprus into a Turkish-run province.
Ankara needed an excuse to intervene, and that was provided by George Grivas
and EOKA fighters. If there had been no EOKA, however, the Turks and
Turkish Cypriots would have found another pretext. They would have planted
their own bombs in Turkish-Cypriot areas and blamed the Greek Cypriots in
order to justify the Turkish invasion."

Attempts are also made to minimize the 80% Greek majority's cultural and
historical claim to the island through assertions like: "Turkish and Greek
Cypriots occupied the island for centuries under a succession of sovereigns
before the Republic of Cyprus was established in 1960" (Insight Magazine,
Feb. 7).

Because of its geo-strategic position in the Mediterranean and the bounty of
its natural resources, Cyprus has been invaded and intermittently ruled over
by many: Phoenicians, Assyrians, Persians, Romans, English, Lusignans,
Genoese, Marmelukes, Venetians, Ottomans, and again the English. The
Ottomans invaded in 1571 and controlled Cyprus for three hundred years (its
longest period of cultural stagnation), but through all of its decidedly
civilized history it has remained a Greek nation in language, architecture,
art, music, culture and spirit.

As noted by Christopher Hitchens in Hostage to History, "the complexity and
variety of Cypriot history cannot efface, any more than could its numerous
owners and rulers, one striking fact. The island has been, since the Bronze
Age, unmistakably Greek." Out of 7,000 years of history, the Turks have
been in Cyprus a mere 300 years. Based on this and an 18% minority, Turkey'
s military establishment, with a seemingly truncated memory, believes that
Cyprus should be part of Turkey.

Most troubling for the future of Cyprus is the apartheid-like creed,
parroted by some journalists covering the issue, that Greek Cypriots and
Turkish Cypriots will never be able to live in harmony (although they did so
for three hundred years), therefore let's maintain the Attila Line that has
been imposed on both communities by the Turkish military and forget about
finding a solution. It is no accident that this is identical to the
argument used by Turkish extremists in the 1950s to promote the idea of
partition-one separate state for Turkish Cypriots, another for Greeks.

It is this very separatist objective-engineered by Turkey's ruling military
establishment to achieve its goal of taksim, or the partition of Cyprus (and
further exacerbated by Britain, America and the Greek junta's disastrous
intrigues in Cyprus)-that initiated the cycle of violence by extremists of
both communities in 1963 after centuries of peaceful coexistence.

While Turkey has refused to allow Greek Cypriot refugees to return to their
homes in the occupied north, the Cypriot Government has kept Turkish-Cypriot
homes in trust for them in the hope that they will one day return when
Cyprus is united.

Situated in the UN-controlled buffer-zone, Pyla serves as an example of what
can be achieved when the divisive effect of Turkey's occupation regime is
removed. It is one of the few villages on the island where Greek and
Turkish Cypriots still live together peacefully as they had done for
centuries.

A recent mobilization by Turkish Cypriots to find a blood donor for a
6-year-old Greek Cypriot boy with leukemia further underscores the
speciousness of the myth, propagated for the very purpose of keeping Cyprus
divided, that both communities are somehow inherently incapable of living
together.

Another disinformation bite promoted by the Turkish government and its
spindoctors here is that the Turkish-occupied part of the island functions
as a democracy.

As confirmed by the State Department's most recent Human Rights Report and
by independent human rights organizations such as Amnesty International and
Human Rights Watch, Turkey is among the worst human rights violators on
earth, where torture and extra-judicial killings remain a part of its
political landscape. For the fifth consecutive year the Turkish state has
led the world in imprisoned journalists ahead of China and Syria, and has
recently admitted to using death squads to kill as many as 14,000 people
since the 1980's.

As the TRNC is in reality a puppet administration that answers directly to
the Turkish state, the same authoritarian repression that afflicts Turkey
also pervades occupied Cyprus. Turkish Cypriots critical of Denktash's
occupation regime have asked that their identities be kept confidential, as
one economics professor did, for example, when interviewed by the BBC ("the
fact that she didn't want to be identified was significant", BBC News,
9/1/98).

The assassination of prominent Turkish Cypriot journalist Kutlu Adali in
1996 is instructive--his assassination is widely attributed to extremists
working on behalf of the Turkish state. According to Professor Claire
Palley, a British constitutional law expert, Adali was murdered six days
after the European Human Rights Commission declared Cyprus' application
against Turkey admissible and "after it became obvious he would have been a
witness" in the case. Adali's writings had been extensively quoted in the
application, and Palley stated that Adali "proved Turkey's colonisation of
Cyprus . . . [and its] compelling Turkish Cypriots to emigrate"

Anyone who wants to believe that the TRNC is a democracy will soon be
disappointed upon visiting occupied Cyprus, and taking note of the
square-helmeted, goose-stepping soldiers wielding machine guns on every
corner. Cross the Green Line in Nicosia into the Turkish sector and try to
photograph any building or videotape any street scene and you will soon find
yourself camera-less, in jail, or both.

That apologists of the occupation regime are under the misperception that
this is how a democracy should function is indeed part of the problem. And,
much like the situation with the former Berlin Wall, now there are Turkish
Cypriots from the north escaping to the south to return to their old
neighborhoods among the Greeks; their homes, as guaranteed by Cypriot law,
still waiting for them.

As was recently reported by Gregory Copley of The International Strategic
Studies Association in Washington DC, "[t]he Turkish Cypriots' standard of
living has declined compared with that of their Greek Cypriot neighbors
since 1974. Turkish Cypriots, with 37 percent of the land and the best
agricultural and tourist areas of the island, earn only 30 percent of the
average wage of the Greek Cypriots."

European Foreign Affairs Commissioner Hans van den Broek protested that the
Turkish Cypriot community was being "victimized" and withheld from "a better
and more prosperous future" as a result of Turkey's insistence on an
occupied and divided Cyprus.

An increasing number of Turkish Cypriots have realized that the future of a
prosperous Cyprus is a united one without Turkish troops. Rejecting the
hard-line partitionist stand of the occupation regime, in October 1999 an
influential bloc of 23 Turkish-Cypriot trade unions and professional
organizations appealed directly to visiting U.S. envoy Alfred Moses to work
for the reunification of war-divided Cyprus on the basis of UN Security
Council resolutions that call for a unified Cyprus and a withdrawal of
occupation troops.

The TRNC's occupation regime has trapped Turkish Cypriots in a political and
economic black hole, all the while importing Turks from the depths of
Anatolia to wrest control from Cyprus' native Turkish population. As a
result, as many as half of all Turkish-Cypriots have fled their own homeland
in search of greater economic and political freedom elsewhere.

In conclusion, it should be emphasized that there were extremists on both
sides of the Cyprus conflict, while power-brokering by colonial-minded
Britain and interventionist violence by junta-era Greece clearly added fuel
to the Cypriot powder keg. But insiders know that it was Turkish designs
for partition that ultimately caused the breakdown in government and the
terrible tragedy of 1974, the repercussions of which all indigenous
Cypriots, both Greek and Turk, are still suffering today.

Cyprus is Berlin all over again, with one difference. Rather than taking
the side of civilian-controlled governments, pluralistic societies, and
democratic values, our own government has instead decided to ratify
invasion, occupation, and transnational aggression in order to sustain an
alliance of increasingly questionable value.
_______

About the author: Matthew J. Stowell is an Associate with the American
Hellenic Media Project (AHMP), a non-profit think-tank created to address
bias in the media and encourage independent, ethical and responsible
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Spirit o Truth

(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
choro-nik
2006-10-15 14:05:18 UTC
Permalink
Are you trying to tell me that I am lying when I am telling what I KNOW to
be true? That my own father was not allowed into his own house in his own
all-Turkish village which had by then been completely taken over and
occupied by Greek Cypriots.

Perhaps I dreamt what I heard from my father. Perhaps I even dreamt that I
had a father in the first place.

Come off it "Spiritus Sanctus", come off your high pedestal into the real
world and let me teach you what actually went on in Cyprus during those
days. I know because I lived through it. I experienced it first hand.

True neither side behaved like angels but please do try to stop whitewashing
the dirt on the Greek side of the divide. Learn to accept facts for what
they were.
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Spirit of Truth
Post by choro-nik
Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his village
in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed in his
own house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my father's
name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Now what have you got to say to THAT?!
Stop lying.
MEDIA BYPASS
Vol. 8, #11, November 2000
pp. 28-31
Torturing Cypriot History
Hostile Environment of Yesteryear Still Remembered
by Matthew J. Stowell
As an American with no Cypriot or Greek ancestry, I understand how Cyprus'
complex and, to most Americans, obscure past can make many easy prey to the
disinformation fed our press by the Turkish government.
A common propaganda bite used by the Turkish state to legitimize its 1974
invasion of Cyprus is that "The Greek Cypriots then unleashed a campaign of
extermination and eviction that killed or wounded thousands and drove a
frightening percentage of Turkish Cypriots into besieged enclaves.."
(Insight Magazine, "Fences Might Be the Right Thing for Multiethnic Nation
of Cyprus", Ahmet Erdengiz, Feb. 7).
This claim has been refuted by findings of impartial sources such as the UN
Secretary General's report No. S/5950, para. 142 which confirms that as a
result of the brief but turbulent period of hostilities between Greek and
Turkish-Cypriot extremists from December 21, 1963 to June 8, 1964, a total
of 43 Greek Cypriots and 232 Turkish Cypriots are missing and presumed dead.
Clearly, this was no "campaign of extermination".
Moreover, these deaths were a direct result of Britain's documented policy
of arming Turkish separatists and encouraging Greco-Turkish conflict to
facilitate its control over Cyprus.
While extremists of both communities are to blame for intercommunal
violence, fueled by British attempts to prevent this overwhelmingly Greek
island-nation from achieving its self-determination, history is clear that
Turkish extremists initiated the cycle of violence that claimed victims on
both sides.
In June of 1958, a bomb explosion outside the information office of the
Turkish Consulate-- later shown to have been planted by Turkish extremists
(the "TMT")--set off the first intercommunal clashes on Cyprus. As noted by
British author Christopher Hitchens in his highly acclaimed work on Cyprus,
Hostage to History, the self-proclaimed president of Cyprus' occupation
regime, Rauf Denktash, admitted in a 1984 interview that it was a Turkish
Cypriot friend who planted the bomb. As a result, "Turkish Cypriots
promptly burned out a neighboring district of Greek shops and homes, in what
was to be the first Greek-Turkish physical confrontation on the island. A
curfew was imposed, and Greek guerrillas [were] blamed [by British
authorities] for the bomb as they were for everything else."
Next the British released from jail eight Greek Cypriot EOKA fighters,
forcing them to walk through the Turkish village of Guenyeli, where they
were quickly set upon and murdered. Thus began two months of violence by
extremists on both sides, killing 56 Greeks and 53 Turks. Tellingly, the
British arrested 2,000 Greeks, but only 60 Turks.
In addition to the hostile environment that was created by combatants on
both sides, there was a second factor that led to the polarization of both
communities: with a view toward partition, the Turks withdrew from
predominantly Greek areas and evicted Greeks from areas where Turks were in
the majority. In a single week over 600 families, two-thirds of them Greek,
left their homes, and many Turks who left Greek areas did so under intense
pressure from Turkish separatists.
Turkish Cypriots who favored compromise or a close relationship between the
two ethnic communities were targets of TMT violence. Turks caught smoking
Greek cigarettes or visiting Greek shops were beaten, and Turkish gangs
forced some Turkish Cypriots to resign from Greek Cypriot trade unions.
In
Limassol, a Turkish Cypriot owner of a restaurant popular with Greeks was
threatened and later murdered by the TMT. Two progressive-thinking,
London-educated Turkish barristers who spoke against partition were killed
outright by these same Turkish gangs.
Turkish extremists forced several thousand Turkish peasants to abandon their
farms and animals and move into an overcrowded Turkish enclave in Nicosia.
"Thus the aim of partition, camouflaged by Turkish propaganda as
'federation,' was relentlessly pursued regardless of loss of human life and
the human misery created. However, this so-called 'first phase' of the
invasion of Cyprus by Turkey only partly succeeded, since well over half of
its brethren refused to obey instructions to abandon their homes for the
predetermined enclaves" (The Making of Modern Cyprus, Panteli). On December
23, 1963, Turkish gangs also moved through the Armenian quarter of Nicosia
and forced the inhabitants at gunpoint to leave their houses, shops, church,
school and clubs to make room for more Turks.
This forced population transfer continues in occupied Cyprus today. Since
1974, Turkey has relocated over 125,000 mainland Turks to northern Cyprus.
In this clearly illegal, Soviet-style effort to alter the demographics of
northern Cyprus, one which the UN has condemned, Turkey has displaced not
only the few remaining Greek Cypriots but also Turkish Cypriots, who are
often treated as second-class citizens and denied the rights and privileges
of the alien settlers from Turkey.
As a result, a diminishing number of Cyprus' indigenous Turks remain.
Turkey has made it easy for them to obtain visas to emigrate, and they have
left en masse, mostly for Britain and Turkey as well as other Mideast
countries; some have even escaped through the Green Line and returned to the
Greek south.
Apologists for Turkey's invasion disingenuously omit the imperative fact
that it is the Greek Cypriot community that bore the overwhelming brunt of
violence on Cyprus. As a result of Turkey's 1974 invasion, fittingly
codenamed "Operation Attila", Turkish troops perpetrated more than 6,000
killings, widespread rape, torture, the systematic obliteration of cultural
property including the destruction of churches, and the ethnic cleansing of
200,000 Greek Cypriots--making them refugees in their own country and
bringing twenty-six years of heartbreak for the families of more than 1,500
missing persons.
Placing Turkey's invasion of neighboring Cyprus in a contemporary context,
four times as many Greek Cypriots were killed by Turkish troops as Albanians
were killed in Kosovo prior to NATO's intervention--and in one-sixth the
time frame. Yet Serbia was bombed back to the Stone Age, while Turkey's
occupation of Cyprus continues to enjoy tacit US support.
In numerous applications to the European Human Rights Commission, Turkey was
found guilty of widespread violations of human rights in Cyprus. Although
the European Court of Human Rights has ordered the Turkish government to
compensate Greek Cypriot Titina Loizidou for the loss of her property seized
during its invasion, Turkey remains the only member of the 40-nation Council
of Europe to refuse compliance with a compensation order from its human
rights court -- a breach that could lead to Turkey's expulsion from the
Council.
The 1963 constitution forced on the Cypriots by the British in a
take-it-or-leave-it standoff--with the alternative being partition--was
known as "the most rigid, inflexible, and probably the most complicated in
the world" (S.A. DeSmith, The New Commonwealth and Its Constituents). The
president, a Greek Cypriot, and the vice president, a Turkish Cypriot, could
each veto legislation. Despite comprising only 18% of the population,
Turkish Cypriots were granted three of the ten seats in the Council of
Ministers and thirty percent of the deputy positions in the House of
Representatives. A Turkish Cypriot was to be made minister of defense,
foreign affairs and finance. Turkish Cypriots were allotted 30% of the
civil service jobs and 40% of the command positions in the Army. Any change
to the constitution required a two-thirds majority of representatives from
both communities. Even the most rudimentary of governmental functions
became impracticable--for example the Turkish Cypriot leadership's voting
against income and other taxes had placed the government in danger of
bankruptcy. In short, the government was hog-tied; Cyprus' very undoing was
written into its own constitution.
Other assertions by the Turkish government, that "President Makarios craved
union with Greece and the subjugation of Turkish Cypriots . and proposed
amendments to the constitution to achieve these objectives" (Insight
Magazine, Feb. 7), are patently false. By the time this ill-conceived
marriage of a government and its unworkable constitution was imposed on
Cyprus, Makarios was opposed to union with Greece. He sought complete
independence for Cyprus and a unified sovereign state that protected the
rights of all Cypriots, both Greek and Turkish.
It was precisely because Makarios opposed union with Greece that Greek
extremists shelled the presidential palace and twice attempted to
assassinate him. The amendments he proposed to the constitution were
designed to make the government (which has been described by legal experts
as "the first in the world to be denied majority rule by its own
constitution") somewhat workable and to reflect a closer approximation of
the true ratio of Greeks to Turks in Cyprus. Makarios submitted these
proposals to the Vice President, a Turkish Cypriot, who did not respond.
Instead, the Turkish government, reflecting its dominant role in separatist
efforts, answered for him: Turkey rejected the proposals out of hand and
forbade the Turkish Cypriots from even discussing them. Shortly thereafter,
the Turkish Cypriots abandoned the government completely.
Turkey's 1974 assault on Cyprus is commonly referred to by many in the media
as a "landing", a "dispatch of troops" or as anything other than what it
was: a brutal invasion. Turkey also misleadingly argues that the invasion
was authorized by the Treaty of Guarantee. The Treaty of Guarantee provided
that one of the guarantor powers (England, Greece or Turkey) could intervene
in an emergency but only in order to restore the country to its original
(unified) state, and certainly not to partition, ethnically cleanse or
occupy it. And under the U.S.-Turkey Agreement of July 1947, American
consent was required for the use of military force by Turkey because
virtually all of Turkey's military equipment, weapons, tanks and fighter
jets, was supplied by the U.S. This consent was never given. On the very
day of the invasion, July 20, 1974, the United Nations Security Council
condemned Turkey for its aggression, demanding that Turkey withdraw all
troops and allow the displaced Greek Cypriots to return to their confiscated
homes.
There have been at least three further UN resolutions since 1974 demanding
the same, but Turkey has ignored them all. This is why the "Turkish
Republic of Northern Cyprus," the TRNC, is not recognized by any country in
the world except for Turkey and has no legitimate international standing.
The continuing insistence on partition by Turkey, using the protection of
the Turkish-Cypriot community as a pretext, is merely part of Turkey's
long-held expansionist plans for the island. According to Professor John L.
Scherer, in Blocking the Sun: The Cyprus Conflict, "Since the 1950s, [Turkey
's] plan had been to turn northern Cyprus into a Turkish-run province.
Ankara needed an excuse to intervene, and that was provided by George Grivas
and EOKA fighters. If there had been no EOKA, however, the Turks and
Turkish Cypriots would have found another pretext. They would have planted
their own bombs in Turkish-Cypriot areas and blamed the Greek Cypriots in
order to justify the Turkish invasion."
Attempts are also made to minimize the 80% Greek majority's cultural and
historical claim to the island through assertions like: "Turkish and Greek
Cypriots occupied the island for centuries under a succession of sovereigns
before the Republic of Cyprus was established in 1960" (Insight Magazine,
Feb. 7).
Because of its geo-strategic position in the Mediterranean and the bounty of
its natural resources, Cyprus has been invaded and intermittently ruled over
by many: Phoenicians, Assyrians, Persians, Romans, English, Lusignans,
Genoese, Marmelukes, Venetians, Ottomans, and again the English. The
Ottomans invaded in 1571 and controlled Cyprus for three hundred years (its
longest period of cultural stagnation), but through all of its decidedly
civilized history it has remained a Greek nation in language,
architecture,
art, music, culture and spirit.
As noted by Christopher Hitchens in Hostage to History, "the complexity and
variety of Cypriot history cannot efface, any more than could its numerous
owners and rulers, one striking fact. The island has been, since the Bronze
Age, unmistakably Greek." Out of 7,000 years of history, the Turks have
been in Cyprus a mere 300 years. Based on this and an 18% minority, Turkey'
s military establishment, with a seemingly truncated memory, believes that
Cyprus should be part of Turkey.
Most troubling for the future of Cyprus is the apartheid-like creed,
parroted by some journalists covering the issue, that Greek Cypriots and
Turkish Cypriots will never be able to live in harmony (although they did so
for three hundred years), therefore let's maintain the Attila Line that has
been imposed on both communities by the Turkish military and forget about
finding a solution. It is no accident that this is identical to the
argument used by Turkish extremists in the 1950s to promote the idea of
partition-one separate state for Turkish Cypriots, another for Greeks.
It is this very separatist objective-engineered by Turkey's ruling military
establishment to achieve its goal of taksim, or the partition of Cyprus (and
further exacerbated by Britain, America and the Greek junta's disastrous
intrigues in Cyprus)-that initiated the cycle of violence by extremists of
both communities in 1963 after centuries of peaceful coexistence.
While Turkey has refused to allow Greek Cypriot refugees to return to their
homes in the occupied north, the Cypriot Government has kept
Turkish-Cypriot
homes in trust for them in the hope that they will one day return when
Cyprus is united.
Situated in the UN-controlled buffer-zone, Pyla serves as an example of what
can be achieved when the divisive effect of Turkey's occupation regime is
removed. It is one of the few villages on the island where Greek and
Turkish Cypriots still live together peacefully as they had done for
centuries.
A recent mobilization by Turkish Cypriots to find a blood donor for a
6-year-old Greek Cypriot boy with leukemia further underscores the
speciousness of the myth, propagated for the very purpose of keeping Cyprus
divided, that both communities are somehow inherently incapable of living
together.
Another disinformation bite promoted by the Turkish government and its
spindoctors here is that the Turkish-occupied part of the island functions
as a democracy.
As confirmed by the State Department's most recent Human Rights Report and
by independent human rights organizations such as Amnesty International and
Human Rights Watch, Turkey is among the worst human rights violators on
earth, where torture and extra-judicial killings remain a part of its
political landscape. For the fifth consecutive year the Turkish state has
led the world in imprisoned journalists ahead of China and Syria, and has
recently admitted to using death squads to kill as many as 14,000 people
since the 1980's.
As the TRNC is in reality a puppet administration that answers directly to
the Turkish state, the same authoritarian repression that afflicts Turkey
also pervades occupied Cyprus. Turkish Cypriots critical of Denktash's
occupation regime have asked that their identities be kept confidential, as
one economics professor did, for example, when interviewed by the BBC ("the
fact that she didn't want to be identified was significant", BBC News,
9/1/98).
The assassination of prominent Turkish Cypriot journalist Kutlu Adali in
1996 is instructive--his assassination is widely attributed to extremists
working on behalf of the Turkish state. According to Professor Claire
Palley, a British constitutional law expert, Adali was murdered six days
after the European Human Rights Commission declared Cyprus' application
against Turkey admissible and "after it became obvious he would have been a
witness" in the case. Adali's writings had been extensively quoted in the
application, and Palley stated that Adali "proved Turkey's colonisation of
Cyprus . . . [and its] compelling Turkish Cypriots to emigrate"
Anyone who wants to believe that the TRNC is a democracy will soon be
disappointed upon visiting occupied Cyprus, and taking note of the
square-helmeted, goose-stepping soldiers wielding machine guns on every
corner. Cross the Green Line in Nicosia into the Turkish sector and try to
photograph any building or videotape any street scene and you will soon find
yourself camera-less, in jail, or both.
That apologists of the occupation regime are under the misperception that
this is how a democracy should function is indeed part of the problem.
And,
much like the situation with the former Berlin Wall, now there are Turkish
Cypriots from the north escaping to the south to return to their old
neighborhoods among the Greeks; their homes, as guaranteed by Cypriot law,
still waiting for them.
As was recently reported by Gregory Copley of The International Strategic
Studies Association in Washington DC, "[t]he Turkish Cypriots' standard of
living has declined compared with that of their Greek Cypriot neighbors
since 1974. Turkish Cypriots, with 37 percent of the land and the best
agricultural and tourist areas of the island, earn only 30 percent of the
average wage of the Greek Cypriots."
European Foreign Affairs Commissioner Hans van den Broek protested that the
Turkish Cypriot community was being "victimized" and withheld from "a better
and more prosperous future" as a result of Turkey's insistence on an
occupied and divided Cyprus.
An increasing number of Turkish Cypriots have realized that the future of a
prosperous Cyprus is a united one without Turkish troops. Rejecting the
hard-line partitionist stand of the occupation regime, in October 1999 an
influential bloc of 23 Turkish-Cypriot trade unions and professional
organizations appealed directly to visiting U.S. envoy Alfred Moses to work
for the reunification of war-divided Cyprus on the basis of UN Security
Council resolutions that call for a unified Cyprus and a withdrawal of
occupation troops.
The TRNC's occupation regime has trapped Turkish Cypriots in a political and
economic black hole, all the while importing Turks from the depths of
Anatolia to wrest control from Cyprus' native Turkish population. As a
result, as many as half of all Turkish-Cypriots have fled their own homeland
in search of greater economic and political freedom elsewhere.
In conclusion, it should be emphasized that there were extremists on both
sides of the Cyprus conflict, while power-brokering by colonial-minded
Britain and interventionist violence by junta-era Greece clearly added fuel
to the Cypriot powder keg. But insiders know that it was Turkish designs
for partition that ultimately caused the breakdown in government and the
terrible tragedy of 1974, the repercussions of which all indigenous
Cypriots, both Greek and Turk, are still suffering today.
Cyprus is Berlin all over again, with one difference. Rather than taking
the side of civilian-controlled governments, pluralistic societies, and
democratic values, our own government has instead decided to ratify
invasion, occupation, and transnational aggression in order to sustain an
alliance of increasingly questionable value.
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ReXbatt0
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I 'll accept your argument when theKurdish minority(6-10 million) of
Turkey,has the same rights as the Turkish minority in Cyprus.AZ Turkish
president with a Kurdish Vice president,who can Veto anything the
Maijority's decisiond,until then STFU you fascist,Turkish progressive
Weestern thinking wannabe person of reason.How about them apples
Choro-kampouri.
Post by choro-nik
Are you trying to tell me that I am lying when I am telling what I KNOW to
be true? That my own father was not allowed into his own house in his own
all-Turkish village which had by then been completely taken over and
occupied by Greek Cypriots.
Perhaps I dreamt what I heard from my father. Perhaps I even dreamt that I
had a father in the first place.
Come off it "Spiritus Sanctus", come off your high pedestal into the real
world and let me teach you what actually went on in Cyprus during those
days. I know because I lived through it. I experienced it first hand.
True neither side behaved like angels but please do try to stop whitewashing
the dirt on the Greek side of the divide. Learn to accept facts for what
they were.
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Spirit of Truth
Post by choro-nik
Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his village
in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed in his
own house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my father's
name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Now what have you got to say to THAT?!
Stop lying.
MEDIA BYPASS
Vol. 8, #11, November 2000
pp. 28-31
Torturing Cypriot History
Hostile Environment of Yesteryear Still Remembered
by Matthew J. Stowell
As an American with no Cypriot or Greek ancestry, I understand how Cyprus'
complex and, to most Americans, obscure past can make many easy prey to the
disinformation fed our press by the Turkish government.
A common propaganda bite used by the Turkish state to legitimize its 1974
invasion of Cyprus is that "The Greek Cypriots then unleashed a campaign of
extermination and eviction that killed or wounded thousands and drove a
frightening percentage of Turkish Cypriots into besieged enclaves.."
(Insight Magazine, "Fences Might Be the Right Thing for Multiethnic Nation
of Cyprus", Ahmet Erdengiz, Feb. 7).
This claim has been refuted by findings of impartial sources such as the UN
Secretary General's report No. S/5950, para. 142 which confirms that as a
result of the brief but turbulent period of hostilities between Greek and
Turkish-Cypriot extremists from December 21, 1963 to June 8, 1964, a total
of 43 Greek Cypriots and 232 Turkish Cypriots are missing and presumed dead.
Clearly, this was no "campaign of extermination".
Moreover, these deaths were a direct result of Britain's documented policy
of arming Turkish separatists and encouraging Greco-Turkish conflict to
facilitate its control over Cyprus.
While extremists of both communities are to blame for intercommunal
violence, fueled by British attempts to prevent this overwhelmingly Greek
island-nation from achieving its self-determination, history is clear that
Turkish extremists initiated the cycle of violence that claimed victims on
both sides.
In June of 1958, a bomb explosion outside the information office of the
Turkish Consulate-- later shown to have been planted by Turkish extremists
(the "TMT")--set off the first intercommunal clashes on Cyprus. As noted by
British author Christopher Hitchens in his highly acclaimed work on Cyprus,
Hostage to History, the self-proclaimed president of Cyprus' occupation
regime, Rauf Denktash, admitted in a 1984 interview that it was a Turkish
Cypriot friend who planted the bomb. As a result, "Turkish Cypriots
promptly burned out a neighboring district of Greek shops and homes, in what
was to be the first Greek-Turkish physical confrontation on the island. A
curfew was imposed, and Greek guerrillas [were] blamed [by British
authorities] for the bomb as they were for everything else."
Next the British released from jail eight Greek Cypriot EOKA fighters,
forcing them to walk through the Turkish village of Guenyeli, where they
were quickly set upon and murdered. Thus began two months of violence by
extremists on both sides, killing 56 Greeks and 53 Turks. Tellingly, the
British arrested 2,000 Greeks, but only 60 Turks.
In addition to the hostile environment that was created by combatants on
both sides, there was a second factor that led to the polarization of both
communities: with a view toward partition, the Turks withdrew from
predominantly Greek areas and evicted Greeks from areas where Turks were in
the majority. In a single week over 600 families, two-thirds of them Greek,
left their homes, and many Turks who left Greek areas did so under intense
pressure from Turkish separatists.
Turkish Cypriots who favored compromise or a close relationship between the
two ethnic communities were targets of TMT violence. Turks caught smoking
Greek cigarettes or visiting Greek shops were beaten, and Turkish gangs
forced some Turkish Cypriots to resign from Greek Cypriot trade unions.
In
Limassol, a Turkish Cypriot owner of a restaurant popular with Greeks was
threatened and later murdered by the TMT. Two progressive-thinking,
London-educated Turkish barristers who spoke against partition were killed
outright by these same Turkish gangs.
Turkish extremists forced several thousand Turkish peasants to abandon their
farms and animals and move into an overcrowded Turkish enclave in Nicosia.
"Thus the aim of partition, camouflaged by Turkish propaganda as
'federation,' was relentlessly pursued regardless of loss of human life and
the human misery created. However, this so-called 'first phase' of the
invasion of Cyprus by Turkey only partly succeeded, since well over half of
its brethren refused to obey instructions to abandon their homes for the
predetermined enclaves" (The Making of Modern Cyprus, Panteli). On December
23, 1963, Turkish gangs also moved through the Armenian quarter of Nicosia
and forced the inhabitants at gunpoint to leave their houses, shops, church,
school and clubs to make room for more Turks.
This forced population transfer continues in occupied Cyprus today. Since
1974, Turkey has relocated over 125,000 mainland Turks to northern Cyprus.
In this clearly illegal, Soviet-style effort to alter the demographics of
northern Cyprus, one which the UN has condemned, Turkey has displaced not
only the few remaining Greek Cypriots but also Turkish Cypriots, who are
often treated as second-class citizens and denied the rights and privileges
of the alien settlers from Turkey.
As a result, a diminishing number of Cyprus' indigenous Turks remain.
Turkey has made it easy for them to obtain visas to emigrate, and they have
left en masse, mostly for Britain and Turkey as well as other Mideast
countries; some have even escaped through the Green Line and returned to the
Greek south.
Apologists for Turkey's invasion disingenuously omit the imperative fact
that it is the Greek Cypriot community that bore the overwhelming brunt of
violence on Cyprus. As a result of Turkey's 1974 invasion, fittingly
codenamed "Operation Attila", Turkish troops perpetrated more than 6,000
killings, widespread rape, torture, the systematic obliteration of cultural
property including the destruction of churches, and the ethnic cleansing of
200,000 Greek Cypriots--making them refugees in their own country and
bringing twenty-six years of heartbreak for the families of more than 1,500
missing persons.
Placing Turkey's invasion of neighboring Cyprus in a contemporary context,
four times as many Greek Cypriots were killed by Turkish troops as Albanians
were killed in Kosovo prior to NATO's intervention--and in one-sixth the
time frame. Yet Serbia was bombed back to the Stone Age, while Turkey's
occupation of Cyprus continues to enjoy tacit US support.
In numerous applications to the European Human Rights Commission, Turkey was
found guilty of widespread violations of human rights in Cyprus. Although
the European Court of Human Rights has ordered the Turkish government to
compensate Greek Cypriot Titina Loizidou for the loss of her property seized
during its invasion, Turkey remains the only member of the 40-nation Council
of Europe to refuse compliance with a compensation order from its human
rights court -- a breach that could lead to Turkey's expulsion from the
Council.
The 1963 constitution forced on the Cypriots by the British in a
take-it-or-leave-it standoff--with the alternative being partition--was
known as "the most rigid, inflexible, and probably the most complicated in
the world" (S.A. DeSmith, The New Commonwealth and Its Constituents). The
president, a Greek Cypriot, and the vice president, a Turkish Cypriot, could
each veto legislation. Despite comprising only 18% of the population,
Turkish Cypriots were granted three of the ten seats in the Council of
Ministers and thirty percent of the deputy positions in the House of
Representatives. A Turkish Cypriot was to be made minister of defense,
foreign affairs and finance. Turkish Cypriots were allotted 30% of the
civil service jobs and 40% of the command positions in the Army. Any change
to the constitution required a two-thirds majority of representatives from
both communities. Even the most rudimentary of governmental functions
became impracticable--for example the Turkish Cypriot leadership's voting
against income and other taxes had placed the government in danger of
bankruptcy. In short, the government was hog-tied; Cyprus' very undoing was
written into its own constitution.
Other assertions by the Turkish government, that "President Makarios craved
union with Greece and the subjugation of Turkish Cypriots . and proposed
amendments to the constitution to achieve these objectives" (Insight
Magazine, Feb. 7), are patently false. By the time this ill-conceived
marriage of a government and its unworkable constitution was imposed on
Cyprus, Makarios was opposed to union with Greece. He sought complete
independence for Cyprus and a unified sovereign state that protected the
rights of all Cypriots, both Greek and Turkish.
It was precisely because Makarios opposed union with Greece that Greek
extremists shelled the presidential palace and twice attempted to
assassinate him. The amendments he proposed to the constitution were
designed to make the government (which has been described by legal experts
as "the first in the world to be denied majority rule by its own
constitution") somewhat workable and to reflect a closer approximation of
the true ratio of Greeks to Turks in Cyprus. Makarios submitted these
proposals to the Vice President, a Turkish Cypriot, who did not respond.
Instead, the Turkish government, reflecting its dominant role in separatist
efforts, answered for him: Turkey rejected the proposals out of hand and
forbade the Turkish Cypriots from even discussing them. Shortly thereafter,
the Turkish Cypriots abandoned the government completely.
Turkey's 1974 assault on Cyprus is commonly referred to by many in the media
as a "landing", a "dispatch of troops" or as anything other than what it
was: a brutal invasion. Turkey also misleadingly argues that the invasion
was authorized by the Treaty of Guarantee. The Treaty of Guarantee provided
that one of the guarantor powers (England, Greece or Turkey) could intervene
in an emergency but only in order to restore the country to its original
(unified) state, and certainly not to partition, ethnically cleanse or
occupy it. And under the U.S.-Turkey Agreement of July 1947, American
consent was required for the use of military force by Turkey because
virtually all of Turkey's military equipment, weapons, tanks and fighter
jets, was supplied by the U.S. This consent was never given. On the very
day of the invasion, July 20, 1974, the United Nations Security Council
condemned Turkey for its aggression, demanding that Turkey withdraw all
troops and allow the displaced Greek Cypriots to return to their confiscated
homes.
There have been at least three further UN resolutions since 1974 demanding
the same, but Turkey has ignored them all. This is why the "Turkish
Republic of Northern Cyprus," the TRNC, is not recognized by any country in
the world except for Turkey and has no legitimate international standing.
The continuing insistence on partition by Turkey, using the protection of
the Turkish-Cypriot community as a pretext, is merely part of Turkey's
long-held expansionist plans for the island. According to Professor John L.
Scherer, in Blocking the Sun: The Cyprus Conflict, "Since the 1950s, [Turkey
's] plan had been to turn northern Cyprus into a Turkish-run province.
Ankara needed an excuse to intervene, and that was provided by George Grivas
and EOKA fighters. If there had been no EOKA, however, the Turks and
Turkish Cypriots would have found another pretext. They would have planted
their own bombs in Turkish-Cypriot areas and blamed the Greek Cypriots in
order to justify the Turkish invasion."
Attempts are also made to minimize the 80% Greek majority's cultural and
historical claim to the island through assertions like: "Turkish and Greek
Cypriots occupied the island for centuries under a succession of sovereigns
before the Republic of Cyprus was established in 1960" (Insight Magazine,
Feb. 7).
Because of its geo-strategic position in the Mediterranean and the bounty of
its natural resources, Cyprus has been invaded and intermittently ruled over
by many: Phoenicians, Assyrians, Persians, Romans, English, Lusignans,
Genoese, Marmelukes, Venetians, Ottomans, and again the English. The
Ottomans invaded in 1571 and controlled Cyprus for three hundred years (its
longest period of cultural stagnation), but through all of its decidedly
civilized history it has remained a Greek nation in language, architecture,
art, music, culture and spirit.
As noted by Christopher Hitchens in Hostage to History, "the complexity and
variety of Cypriot history cannot efface, any more than could its numerous
owners and rulers, one striking fact. The island has been, since the Bronze
Age, unmistakably Greek." Out of 7,000 years of history, the Turks have
been in Cyprus a mere 300 years. Based on this and an 18% minority, Turkey'
s military establishment, with a seemingly truncated memory, believes that
Cyprus should be part of Turkey.
Most troubling for the future of Cyprus is the apartheid-like creed,
parroted by some journalists covering the issue, that Greek Cypriots and
Turkish Cypriots will never be able to live in harmony (although they did so
for three hundred years), therefore let's maintain the Attila Line that has
been imposed on both communities by the Turkish military and forget about
finding a solution. It is no accident that this is identical to the
argument used by Turkish extremists in the 1950s to promote the idea of
partition-one separate state for Turkish Cypriots, another for Greeks.
It is this very separatist objective-engineered by Turkey's ruling military
establishment to achieve its goal of taksim, or the partition of Cyprus (and
further exacerbated by Britain, America and the Greek junta's disastrous
intrigues in Cyprus)-that initiated the cycle of violence by extremists of
both communities in 1963 after centuries of peaceful coexistence.
While Turkey has refused to allow Greek Cypriot refugees to return to their
homes in the occupied north, the Cypriot Government has kept
Turkish-Cypriot
homes in trust for them in the hope that they will one day return when
Cyprus is united.
Situated in the UN-controlled buffer-zone, Pyla serves as an example of what
can be achieved when the divisive effect of Turkey's occupation regime is
removed. It is one of the few villages on the island where Greek and
Turkish Cypriots still live together peacefully as they had done for
centuries.
A recent mobilization by Turkish Cypriots to find a blood donor for a
6-year-old Greek Cypriot boy with leukemia further underscores the
speciousness of the myth, propagated for the very purpose of keeping Cyprus
divided, that both communities are somehow inherently incapable of living
together.
Another disinformation bite promoted by the Turkish government and its
spindoctors here is that the Turkish-occupied part of the island functions
as a democracy.
As confirmed by the State Department's most recent Human Rights Report and
by independent human rights organizations such as Amnesty International and
Human Rights Watch, Turkey is among the worst human rights violators on
earth, where torture and extra-judicial killings remain a part of its
political landscape. For the fifth consecutive year the Turkish state has
led the world in imprisoned journalists ahead of China and Syria, and has
recently admitted to using death squads to kill as many as 14,000 people
since the 1980's.
As the TRNC is in reality a puppet administration that answers directly to
the Turkish state, the same authoritarian repression that afflicts Turkey
also pervades occupied Cyprus. Turkish Cypriots critical of Denktash's
occupation regime have asked that their identities be kept confidential, as
one economics professor did, for example, when interviewed by the BBC ("the
fact that she didn't want to be identified was significant", BBC News,
9/1/98).
The assassination of prominent Turkish Cypriot journalist Kutlu Adali in
1996 is instructive--his assassination is widely attributed to extremists
working on behalf of the Turkish state. According to Professor Claire
Palley, a British constitutional law expert, Adali was murdered six days
after the European Human Rights Commission declared Cyprus' application
against Turkey admissible and "after it became obvious he would have been a
witness" in the case. Adali's writings had been extensively quoted in the
application, and Palley stated that Adali "proved Turkey's colonisation of
Cyprus . . . [and its] compelling Turkish Cypriots to emigrate"
Anyone who wants to believe that the TRNC is a democracy will soon be
disappointed upon visiting occupied Cyprus, and taking note of the
square-helmeted, goose-stepping soldiers wielding machine guns on every
corner. Cross the Green Line in Nicosia into the Turkish sector and try to
photograph any building or videotape any street scene and you will soon find
yourself camera-less, in jail, or both.
That apologists of the occupation regime are under the misperception that
this is how a democracy should function is indeed part of the problem.
And,
much like the situation with the former Berlin Wall, now there are Turkish
Cypriots from the north escaping to the south to return to their old
neighborhoods among the Greeks; their homes, as guaranteed by Cypriot law,
still waiting for them.
As was recently reported by Gregory Copley of The International Strategic
Studies Association in Washington DC, "[t]he Turkish Cypriots' standard of
living has declined compared with that of their Greek Cypriot neighbors
since 1974. Turkish Cypriots, with 37 percent of the land and the best
agricultural and tourist areas of the island, earn only 30 percent of the
average wage of the Greek Cypriots."
European Foreign Affairs Commissioner Hans van den Broek protested that the
Turkish Cypriot community was being "victimized" and withheld from "a better
and more prosperous future" as a result of Turkey's insistence on an
occupied and divided Cyprus.
An increasing number of Turkish Cypriots have realized that the future of a
prosperous Cyprus is a united one without Turkish troops. Rejecting the
hard-line partitionist stand of the occupation regime, in October 1999 an
influential bloc of 23 Turkish-Cypriot trade unions and professional
organizations appealed directly to visiting U.S. envoy Alfred Moses to work
for the reunification of war-divided Cyprus on the basis of UN Security
Council resolutions that call for a unified Cyprus and a withdrawal of
occupation troops.
The TRNC's occupation regime has trapped Turkish Cypriots in a political and
economic black hole, all the while importing Turks from the depths of
Anatolia to wrest control from Cyprus' native Turkish population. As a
result, as many as half of all Turkish-Cypriots have fled their own homeland
in search of greater economic and political freedom elsewhere.
In conclusion, it should be emphasized that there were extremists on both
sides of the Cyprus conflict, while power-brokering by colonial-minded
Britain and interventionist violence by junta-era Greece clearly added fuel
to the Cypriot powder keg. But insiders know that it was Turkish designs
for partition that ultimately caused the breakdown in government and the
terrible tragedy of 1974, the repercussions of which all indigenous
Cypriots, both Greek and Turk, are still suffering today.
Cyprus is Berlin all over again, with one difference. Rather than taking
the side of civilian-controlled governments, pluralistic societies, and
democratic values, our own government has instead decided to ratify
invasion, occupation, and transnational aggression in order to sustain an
alliance of increasingly questionable value.
_______
About the author: Matthew J. Stowell is an Associate with the American
Hellenic Media Project (AHMP), a non-profit think-tank created to address
bias in the media and encourage independent, ethical and responsible
journalism. Commentaries, letters and opinion/editorials by AHMP have been
published in The Boston Globe, The Chicago Tribune, The Christian Science
Monitor, The Dallas Morning News, The Detroit News, The Economist, The
Financial Times, Forbes Global, The Miami Herald, The New York Post, The New
York Times, The Toronto Sun, USA Today, The Village Voice, The Wall Street
Journal, The Washington Post, The Washington Times and World Press Review.
A shorter version of this article was published in the form of a letter to
the editor of Insight Magazine.
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choro-nik
2006-10-15 19:11:23 UTC
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Ah, but then Turkey has had people of Kurdish origin as C-in-Cs of its Armed
Forces, as Presidents of the Republic of Turkey, as Ministers etc etc. There
is no discrimination on grounds of ethnicity and despite the 20 year old
activities of the PKK terrorist organization and despite all this terrorist
organization's efforts towards that end there have been no hostilities
between the two communities.

By this I mean that, unlike in Cyprus where Greek extremists used bulldozers
to bury alive (yes bury alive) Turkish Cypriots, there have been no
inter-communal clashes in Turkey. That's why.

But maybe this is too fine a point for you to comprehend, for it to pass
through your thick head.
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by ReXbatt0
I 'll accept your argument when theKurdish minority(6-10 million) of
Turkey,has the same rights as the Turkish minority in Cyprus.AZ Turkish
president with a Kurdish Vice president,who can Veto anything the
Maijority's decisiond,until then STFU you fascist,Turkish progressive
Weestern thinking wannabe person of reason.How about them apples
Choro-kampouri.
Post by choro-nik
Are you trying to tell me that I am lying when I am telling what I KNOW to
be true? That my own father was not allowed into his own house in his own
all-Turkish village which had by then been completely taken over and
occupied by Greek Cypriots.
Perhaps I dreamt what I heard from my father. Perhaps I even dreamt that I
had a father in the first place.
Come off it "Spiritus Sanctus", come off your high pedestal into the real
world and let me teach you what actually went on in Cyprus during those
days. I know because I lived through it. I experienced it first hand.
True neither side behaved like angels but please do try to stop whitewashing
the dirt on the Greek side of the divide. Learn to accept facts for what
they were.
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Spirit of Truth
Post by choro-nik
Oh yes Agamemnon my father was also tenacious in returning to his village
in South Cyprus but when he tried to go back he was not allowed in his
own house. A house that he owned. A house with title deeds in my father's
name. And that was way back in the late 70s.
Now what have you got to say to THAT?!
Stop lying.
MEDIA BYPASS
Vol. 8, #11, November 2000
pp. 28-31
Torturing Cypriot History
Hostile Environment of Yesteryear Still Remembered
by Matthew J. Stowell
As an American with no Cypriot or Greek ancestry, I understand how Cyprus'
complex and, to most Americans, obscure past can make many easy prey to the
disinformation fed our press by the Turkish government.
A common propaganda bite used by the Turkish state to legitimize its 1974
invasion of Cyprus is that "The Greek Cypriots then unleashed a
campaign
of
extermination and eviction that killed or wounded thousands and drove a
frightening percentage of Turkish Cypriots into besieged enclaves.."
(Insight Magazine, "Fences Might Be the Right Thing for Multiethnic Nation
of Cyprus", Ahmet Erdengiz, Feb. 7).
This claim has been refuted by findings of impartial sources such as
the
UN
Secretary General's report No. S/5950, para. 142 which confirms that as a
result of the brief but turbulent period of hostilities between Greek and
Turkish-Cypriot extremists from December 21, 1963 to June 8, 1964, a total
of 43 Greek Cypriots and 232 Turkish Cypriots are missing and presumed dead.
Clearly, this was no "campaign of extermination".
Moreover, these deaths were a direct result of Britain's documented policy
of arming Turkish separatists and encouraging Greco-Turkish conflict to
facilitate its control over Cyprus.
While extremists of both communities are to blame for intercommunal
violence, fueled by British attempts to prevent this overwhelmingly Greek
island-nation from achieving its self-determination, history is clear that
Turkish extremists initiated the cycle of violence that claimed victims on
both sides.
In June of 1958, a bomb explosion outside the information office of the
Turkish Consulate-- later shown to have been planted by Turkish extremists
(the "TMT")--set off the first intercommunal clashes on Cyprus. As
noted
by
British author Christopher Hitchens in his highly acclaimed work on Cyprus,
Hostage to History, the self-proclaimed president of Cyprus' occupation
regime, Rauf Denktash, admitted in a 1984 interview that it was a Turkish
Cypriot friend who planted the bomb. As a result, "Turkish Cypriots
promptly burned out a neighboring district of Greek shops and homes, in what
was to be the first Greek-Turkish physical confrontation on the island.
A
curfew was imposed, and Greek guerrillas [were] blamed [by British
authorities] for the bomb as they were for everything else."
Next the British released from jail eight Greek Cypriot EOKA fighters,
forcing them to walk through the Turkish village of Guenyeli, where they
were quickly set upon and murdered. Thus began two months of violence by
extremists on both sides, killing 56 Greeks and 53 Turks. Tellingly, the
British arrested 2,000 Greeks, but only 60 Turks.
In addition to the hostile environment that was created by combatants on
both sides, there was a second factor that led to the polarization of both
communities: with a view toward partition, the Turks withdrew from
predominantly Greek areas and evicted Greeks from areas where Turks
were
in
the majority. In a single week over 600 families, two-thirds of them Greek,
left their homes, and many Turks who left Greek areas did so under intense
pressure from Turkish separatists.
Turkish Cypriots who favored compromise or a close relationship between the
two ethnic communities were targets of TMT violence. Turks caught smoking
Greek cigarettes or visiting Greek shops were beaten, and Turkish gangs
forced some Turkish Cypriots to resign from Greek Cypriot trade unions.
In
Limassol, a Turkish Cypriot owner of a restaurant popular with Greeks was
threatened and later murdered by the TMT. Two progressive-thinking,
London-educated Turkish barristers who spoke against partition were killed
outright by these same Turkish gangs.
Turkish extremists forced several thousand Turkish peasants to abandon their
farms and animals and move into an overcrowded Turkish enclave in Nicosia.
"Thus the aim of partition, camouflaged by Turkish propaganda as
'federation,' was relentlessly pursued regardless of loss of human life and
the human misery created. However, this so-called 'first phase' of the
invasion of Cyprus by Turkey only partly succeeded, since well over
half
of
its brethren refused to obey instructions to abandon their homes for the
predetermined enclaves" (The Making of Modern Cyprus, Panteli). On December
23, 1963, Turkish gangs also moved through the Armenian quarter of Nicosia
and forced the inhabitants at gunpoint to leave their houses, shops, church,
school and clubs to make room for more Turks.
This forced population transfer continues in occupied Cyprus today.
Since
1974, Turkey has relocated over 125,000 mainland Turks to northern Cyprus.
In this clearly illegal, Soviet-style effort to alter the demographics of
northern Cyprus, one which the UN has condemned, Turkey has displaced not
only the few remaining Greek Cypriots but also Turkish Cypriots, who are
often treated as second-class citizens and denied the rights and privileges
of the alien settlers from Turkey.
As a result, a diminishing number of Cyprus' indigenous Turks remain.
Turkey has made it easy for them to obtain visas to emigrate, and they have
left en masse, mostly for Britain and Turkey as well as other Mideast
countries; some have even escaped through the Green Line and returned
to
the
Greek south.
Apologists for Turkey's invasion disingenuously omit the imperative fact
that it is the Greek Cypriot community that bore the overwhelming brunt of
violence on Cyprus. As a result of Turkey's 1974 invasion, fittingly
codenamed "Operation Attila", Turkish troops perpetrated more than 6,000
killings, widespread rape, torture, the systematic obliteration of cultural
property including the destruction of churches, and the ethnic
cleansing
of
200,000 Greek Cypriots--making them refugees in their own country and
bringing twenty-six years of heartbreak for the families of more than 1,500
missing persons.
Placing Turkey's invasion of neighboring Cyprus in a contemporary context,
four times as many Greek Cypriots were killed by Turkish troops as Albanians
were killed in Kosovo prior to NATO's intervention--and in one-sixth the
time frame. Yet Serbia was bombed back to the Stone Age, while Turkey's
occupation of Cyprus continues to enjoy tacit US support.
In numerous applications to the European Human Rights Commission,
Turkey
was
found guilty of widespread violations of human rights in Cyprus.
Although
the European Court of Human Rights has ordered the Turkish government to
compensate Greek Cypriot Titina Loizidou for the loss of her property seized
during its invasion, Turkey remains the only member of the 40-nation Council
of Europe to refuse compliance with a compensation order from its human
rights court -- a breach that could lead to Turkey's expulsion from the
Council.
The 1963 constitution forced on the Cypriots by the British in a
take-it-or-leave-it standoff--with the alternative being partition--was
known as "the most rigid, inflexible, and probably the most complicated in
the world" (S.A. DeSmith, The New Commonwealth and Its Constituents).
The
president, a Greek Cypriot, and the vice president, a Turkish Cypriot, could
each veto legislation. Despite comprising only 18% of the population,
Turkish Cypriots were granted three of the ten seats in the Council of
Ministers and thirty percent of the deputy positions in the House of
Representatives. A Turkish Cypriot was to be made minister of defense,
foreign affairs and finance. Turkish Cypriots were allotted 30% of the
civil service jobs and 40% of the command positions in the Army. Any change
to the constitution required a two-thirds majority of representatives from
both communities. Even the most rudimentary of governmental functions
became impracticable--for example the Turkish Cypriot leadership's voting
against income and other taxes had placed the government in danger of
bankruptcy. In short, the government was hog-tied; Cyprus' very
undoing
was
written into its own constitution.
Other assertions by the Turkish government, that "President Makarios craved
union with Greece and the subjugation of Turkish Cypriots . and proposed
amendments to the constitution to achieve these objectives" (Insight
Magazine, Feb. 7), are patently false. By the time this ill-conceived
marriage of a government and its unworkable constitution was imposed on
Cyprus, Makarios was opposed to union with Greece. He sought complete
independence for Cyprus and a unified sovereign state that protected the
rights of all Cypriots, both Greek and Turkish.
It was precisely because Makarios opposed union with Greece that Greek
extremists shelled the presidential palace and twice attempted to
assassinate him. The amendments he proposed to the constitution were
designed to make the government (which has been described by legal experts
as "the first in the world to be denied majority rule by its own
constitution") somewhat workable and to reflect a closer approximation of
the true ratio of Greeks to Turks in Cyprus. Makarios submitted these
proposals to the Vice President, a Turkish Cypriot, who did not respond.
Instead, the Turkish government, reflecting its dominant role in separatist
efforts, answered for him: Turkey rejected the proposals out of hand and
forbade the Turkish Cypriots from even discussing them. Shortly thereafter,
the Turkish Cypriots abandoned the government completely.
Turkey's 1974 assault on Cyprus is commonly referred to by many in the media
as a "landing", a "dispatch of troops" or as anything other than what it
was: a brutal invasion. Turkey also misleadingly argues that the invasion
was authorized by the Treaty of Guarantee. The Treaty of Guarantee provided
that one of the guarantor powers (England, Greece or Turkey) could intervene
in an emergency but only in order to restore the country to its original
(unified) state, and certainly not to partition, ethnically cleanse or
occupy it. And under the U.S.-Turkey Agreement of July 1947, American
consent was required for the use of military force by Turkey because
virtually all of Turkey's military equipment, weapons, tanks and fighter
jets, was supplied by the U.S. This consent was never given. On the very
day of the invasion, July 20, 1974, the United Nations Security Council
condemned Turkey for its aggression, demanding that Turkey withdraw all
troops and allow the displaced Greek Cypriots to return to their confiscated
homes.
There have been at least three further UN resolutions since 1974 demanding
the same, but Turkey has ignored them all. This is why the "Turkish
Republic of Northern Cyprus," the TRNC, is not recognized by any
country
in
the world except for Turkey and has no legitimate international standing.
The continuing insistence on partition by Turkey, using the protection of
the Turkish-Cypriot community as a pretext, is merely part of Turkey's
long-held expansionist plans for the island. According to Professor
John
L.
Scherer, in Blocking the Sun: The Cyprus Conflict, "Since the 1950s, [Turkey
's] plan had been to turn northern Cyprus into a Turkish-run province.
Ankara needed an excuse to intervene, and that was provided by George Grivas
and EOKA fighters. If there had been no EOKA, however, the Turks and
Turkish Cypriots would have found another pretext. They would have planted
their own bombs in Turkish-Cypriot areas and blamed the Greek Cypriots in
order to justify the Turkish invasion."
Attempts are also made to minimize the 80% Greek majority's cultural and
historical claim to the island through assertions like: "Turkish and Greek
Cypriots occupied the island for centuries under a succession of sovereigns
before the Republic of Cyprus was established in 1960" (Insight Magazine,
Feb. 7).
Because of its geo-strategic position in the Mediterranean and the
bounty
of
its natural resources, Cyprus has been invaded and intermittently ruled over
by many: Phoenicians, Assyrians, Persians, Romans, English, Lusignans,
Genoese, Marmelukes, Venetians, Ottomans, and again the English. The
Ottomans invaded in 1571 and controlled Cyprus for three hundred years (its
longest period of cultural stagnation), but through all of its decidedly
civilized history it has remained a Greek nation in language, architecture,
art, music, culture and spirit.
As noted by Christopher Hitchens in Hostage to History, "the complexity and
variety of Cypriot history cannot efface, any more than could its numerous
owners and rulers, one striking fact. The island has been, since the Bronze
Age, unmistakably Greek." Out of 7,000 years of history, the Turks have
been in Cyprus a mere 300 years. Based on this and an 18% minority, Turkey'
s military establishment, with a seemingly truncated memory, believes that
Cyprus should be part of Turkey.
Most troubling for the future of Cyprus is the apartheid-like creed,
parroted by some journalists covering the issue, that Greek Cypriots and
Turkish Cypriots will never be able to live in harmony (although they
did
so
for three hundred years), therefore let's maintain the Attila Line that has
been imposed on both communities by the Turkish military and forget about
finding a solution. It is no accident that this is identical to the
argument used by Turkish extremists in the 1950s to promote the idea of
partition-one separate state for Turkish Cypriots, another for Greeks.
It is this very separatist objective-engineered by Turkey's ruling military
establishment to achieve its goal of taksim, or the partition of Cyprus (and
further exacerbated by Britain, America and the Greek junta's disastrous
intrigues in Cyprus)-that initiated the cycle of violence by extremists of
both communities in 1963 after centuries of peaceful coexistence.
While Turkey has refused to allow Greek Cypriot refugees to return to their
homes in the occupied north, the Cypriot Government has kept Turkish-Cypriot
homes in trust for them in the hope that they will one day return when
Cyprus is united.
Situated in the UN-controlled buffer-zone, Pyla serves as an example of what
can be achieved when the divisive effect of Turkey's occupation regime is
removed. It is one of the few villages on the island where Greek and
Turkish Cypriots still live together peacefully as they had done for
centuries.
A recent mobilization by Turkish Cypriots to find a blood donor for a
6-year-old Greek Cypriot boy with leukemia further underscores the
speciousness of the myth, propagated for the very purpose of keeping Cyprus
divided, that both communities are somehow inherently incapable of living
together.
Another disinformation bite promoted by the Turkish government and its
spindoctors here is that the Turkish-occupied part of the island functions
as a democracy.
As confirmed by the State Department's most recent Human Rights Report and
by independent human rights organizations such as Amnesty International and
Human Rights Watch, Turkey is among the worst human rights violators on
earth, where torture and extra-judicial killings remain a part of its
political landscape. For the fifth consecutive year the Turkish state has
led the world in imprisoned journalists ahead of China and Syria, and has
recently admitted to using death squads to kill as many as 14,000 people
since the 1980's.
As the TRNC is in reality a puppet administration that answers directly to
the Turkish state, the same authoritarian repression that afflicts Turkey
also pervades occupied Cyprus. Turkish Cypriots critical of Denktash's
occupation regime have asked that their identities be kept
confidential,
as
one economics professor did, for example, when interviewed by the BBC ("the
fact that she didn't want to be identified was significant", BBC News,
9/1/98).
The assassination of prominent Turkish Cypriot journalist Kutlu Adali in
1996 is instructive--his assassination is widely attributed to extremists
working on behalf of the Turkish state. According to Professor Claire
Palley, a British constitutional law expert, Adali was murdered six days
after the European Human Rights Commission declared Cyprus' application
against Turkey admissible and "after it became obvious he would have
been
a
witness" in the case. Adali's writings had been extensively quoted in the
application, and Palley stated that Adali "proved Turkey's colonisation of
Cyprus . . . [and its] compelling Turkish Cypriots to emigrate"
Anyone who wants to believe that the TRNC is a democracy will soon be
disappointed upon visiting occupied Cyprus, and taking note of the
square-helmeted, goose-stepping soldiers wielding machine guns on every
corner. Cross the Green Line in Nicosia into the Turkish sector and
try
to
photograph any building or videotape any street scene and you will soon find
yourself camera-less, in jail, or both.
That apologists of the occupation regime are under the misperception that
this is how a democracy should function is indeed part of the problem.
And,
much like the situation with the former Berlin Wall, now there are Turkish
Cypriots from the north escaping to the south to return to their old
neighborhoods among the Greeks; their homes, as guaranteed by Cypriot law,
still waiting for them.
As was recently reported by Gregory Copley of The International Strategic
Studies Association in Washington DC, "[t]he Turkish Cypriots' standard of
living has declined compared with that of their Greek Cypriot neighbors
since 1974. Turkish Cypriots, with 37 percent of the land and the best
agricultural and tourist areas of the island, earn only 30 percent of the
average wage of the Greek Cypriots."
European Foreign Affairs Commissioner Hans van den Broek protested that the
Turkish Cypriot community was being "victimized" and withheld from "a better
and more prosperous future" as a result of Turkey's insistence on an
occupied and divided Cyprus.
An increasing number of Turkish Cypriots have realized that the future
of
a
prosperous Cyprus is a united one without Turkish troops. Rejecting the
hard-line partitionist stand of the occupation regime, in October 1999 an
influential bloc of 23 Turkish-Cypriot trade unions and professional
organizations appealed directly to visiting U.S. envoy Alfred Moses to work
for the reunification of war-divided Cyprus on the basis of UN Security
Council resolutions that call for a unified Cyprus and a withdrawal of
occupation troops.
The TRNC's occupation regime has trapped Turkish Cypriots in a
political
and
economic black hole, all the while importing Turks from the depths of
Anatolia to wrest control from Cyprus' native Turkish population. As a
result, as many as half of all Turkish-Cypriots have fled their own homeland
in search of greater economic and political freedom elsewhere.
In conclusion, it should be emphasized that there were extremists on both
sides of the Cyprus conflict, while power-brokering by colonial-minded
Britain and interventionist violence by junta-era Greece clearly added fuel
to the Cypriot powder keg. But insiders know that it was Turkish designs
for partition that ultimately caused the breakdown in government and the
terrible tragedy of 1974, the repercussions of which all indigenous
Cypriots, both Greek and Turk, are still suffering today.
Cyprus is Berlin all over again, with one difference. Rather than taking
the side of civilian-controlled governments, pluralistic societies, and
democratic values, our own government has instead decided to ratify
invasion, occupation, and transnational aggression in order to sustain an
alliance of increasingly questionable value.
_______
About the author: Matthew J. Stowell is an Associate with the American
Hellenic Media Project (AHMP), a non-profit think-tank created to address
bias in the media and encourage independent, ethical and responsible
journalism. Commentaries, letters and opinion/editorials by AHMP have been
published in The Boston Globe, The Chicago Tribune, The Christian Science
Monitor, The Dallas Morning News, The Detroit News, The Economist, The
Financial Times, Forbes Global, The Miami Herald, The New York Post,
The
New
York Times, The Toronto Sun, USA Today, The Village Voice, The Wall Street
Journal, The Washington Post, The Washington Times and World Press Review.
A shorter version of this article was published in the form of a letter to
the editor of Insight Magazine.
_________________
American Hellenic Media Project
PO Box 1150
New York, NY 10028-0008
www.ahmp.org
The American Hellenic Media Project is a non-profit organization
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to
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Da Hui
2006-10-15 23:26:43 UTC
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Spirit of june hardons Truth abuser wrote:

HER USUAL 1 trick pony BULLSHIT
Marciango
2006-10-15 23:45:32 UTC
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Hey Da Hui,I saw Ayse walking the street again,WTF is your problem limo
jockey
can't support your family you lazy Ulster Drunk Asshole
Post by Da Hui
HER USUAL 1 trick pony BULLSHIT
Panta Rhei
2006-10-16 00:58:31 UTC
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Da Hui, a full-blown psychopath as you can see, writes:

<snip the poor psycho's usual inane garbage>

Once an officially acknowledged asshole, always an officially acknowledged
asshole, eh, asshole Sean Ruttledge? Off with you to your own asshole
group, asshole Sean Ruttledge! <BG>

F'up to alt.asshole.sean-ruttledge
--
Living the life of a ridiculed, bitchslapped loony on usenet helps Sean
Ruttledge forget the failures in his life.
Istor the Macedonian
2006-10-11 13:51:42 UTC
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All Cypriots, shall return to their homes and shall be free to travel,
visit, establish, build ... at any region of the island. There shall be
no special priviledges for ANY Cypriot, because of EU membership.
Post by Agamemnon
The Tenacious Exiles: The Struggle of the People of Morphou to Return
By Steven Katsineris
Al-Jazeerah, October 9, 2006
"We live and breathe with one hope and one dream: to return to Morphou. Even
the young people who never saw Morphou live with this dream. The town of
Morphou exists for our children because we have told them about it. My
daughter knows everything about it through the pictures, videos and stories
of her grandparents. She knows all about the orchards we had in Morphou."
Charalambos Pittas Mayor of the Turkish-occupied town of Morphou, Cyprus.
........................................................
* I dedicate this article to the refugees of Morphou, living and departed,
who have hoped, struggled and dreamt of the day of return. http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2006%20Opinion%20Editorials/October/9%20o/The%20Tenacious%20Exiles%20The%20Struggle%20of%20the%20People%20of%20Morphou%20to%20Return%20By%20Steven%20Katsineris.htm
choro-nik
2006-10-11 15:09:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Istor the Macedonian
All Cypriots, shall return to their homes and shall be free to travel,
visit, establish, build ... at any region of the island. There shall be
no special priviledges for ANY Cypriot, because of EU membership.
Agreed but only if those Turkish Cypriots who you used bozzdozers to bury
alive can also go back to their villages. Agreed?
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Istor the Macedonian
Post by Agamemnon
The Tenacious Exiles: The Struggle of the People of Morphou to Return
By Steven Katsineris
Al-Jazeerah, October 9, 2006
"We live and breathe with one hope and one dream: to return to Morphou. Even
the young people who never saw Morphou live with this dream. The town of
Morphou exists for our children because we have told them about it. My
daughter knows everything about it through the pictures, videos and stories
of her grandparents. She knows all about the orchards we had in Morphou."
Charalambos Pittas Mayor of the Turkish-occupied town of Morphou, Cyprus.
........................................................
* I dedicate this article to the refugees of Morphou, living and departed,
who have hoped, struggled and dreamt of the day of return.
http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2006%20Opinion%20Editorials/October/9%20o/The%20Tenacious%20Exiles%20The%20Struggle%20of%20the%20People%20of%20Morphou%20to%20Return%20By%20Steven%20Katsineris.htm
Istor the Macedonian
2006-10-11 19:53:33 UTC
Permalink
You mean those who were executed by English soldiers after Denktash'
suggestion?

You have always wanted much more than minority's right in Cyprus dear
Choro. While you have always offered much less to Kurdish people.

But, lets look to the future. There is no better protector af mnority's
human rights than EU. So, don't ask some priviledges that are against
EU rules.

Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek
Post by choro-nik
Post by Istor the Macedonian
All Cypriots, shall return to their homes and shall be free to travel,
visit, establish, build ... at any region of the island. There shall be
no special priviledges for ANY Cypriot, because of EU membership.
Agreed but only if those Turkish Cypriots who you used bozzdozers to bury
alive can also go back to their villages. Agreed?
--
choro-nik
*******
choro-nik
2006-10-11 21:34:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Istor the Macedonian
You mean those who were executed by English soldiers after Denktash'
suggestion?
You have always wanted much more than minority's right in Cyprus dear
Choro. While you have always offered much less to Kurdish people.
But, lets look to the future. There is no better protector af mnority's
human rights than EU.
Problem with the EU is that it might be here today but might be gone
tomorrow.

As Jinnah told Mahatma Ghandi: "But how do we know that you will still be
around when we need you?" or words to that effect. And he was right of
course. Pity that Ghandi became the target of an Indian assassin -- which is
another way of saying that Ghandi was slain by the Hindu extremists.

Hope you get the general drift of my thinking...

What if Greeks once more decide to "deep-bury" Turkish Cypriots alive using
bulldozers like they did in the past? What will the EU do? Will they act it
in time? Indeed, will the EU remain around by then?
--
choro-nik
*******


So, don't ask some priviledges that are against
Post by Istor the Macedonian
EU rules.
Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek
Post by choro-nik
Post by Istor the Macedonian
All Cypriots, shall return to their homes and shall be free to travel,
visit, establish, build ... at any region of the island. There shall be
no special priviledges for ANY Cypriot, because of EU membership.
Agreed but only if those Turkish Cypriots who you used bozzdozers to bury
alive can also go back to their villages. Agreed?
--
choro-nik
*******
gogu
2006-10-11 22:06:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by choro-nik
Post by Istor the Macedonian
You mean those who were executed by English soldiers after Denktash'
suggestion?
You have always wanted much more than minority's right in Cyprus dear
Choro. While you have always offered much less to Kurdish people.
But, lets look to the future. There is no better protector af mnority's
human rights than EU.
Problem with the EU is that it might be here today but might be gone
tomorrow.
Dream on!
It is obvious that now you see the EU dream going away, you are trying to
demonize it:-)
Sour grapes dear Turk;-)
Post by choro-nik
As Jinnah told Mahatma Ghandi: "But how do we know that you will still be
around when we need you?" or words to that effect. And he was right of
course. Pity that Ghandi became the target of an Indian assassin -- which
is another way of saying that Ghandi was slain by the Hindu extremists.
Hope you get the general drift of my thinking...
What if Greeks once more decide to "deep-bury" Turkish Cypriots alive
using bulldozers like they did in the past? What will the EU do? Will they
act it in time? Indeed, will the EU remain around by then?
G/C will never do that today and they never did it yesterday!
There were atrocities committed by both parts, the only difference is that
the Turkish propaganda is so gross and clumsy and in line with 18th century
slogans, that they believe the modern world can buy their exaggerations;-)
After all Europeans know by now the savage nature of the Turkish army, so
those atrocities are possible only by the Turkish army;-)
Such sad happenings are not possible today for an EU member country, your
propaganda is just an excuse to perpetuate the presence of the invading,
barbarian Turkish army on the island!

Have a nice evening dear;-)
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
Istor the Macedonian
2006-10-12 19:26:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by choro-nik
Post by Istor the Macedonian
You mean those who were executed by English soldiers after Denktash'
suggestion?
You have always wanted much more than minority's right in Cyprus dear
Choro. While you have always offered much less to Kurdish people.
But, lets look to the future. There is no better protector af mnority's
human rights than EU.
Problem with the EU is that it might be here today but might be gone
tomorrow.
As Jinnah told Mahatma Ghandi: "But how do we know that you will still be
around when we need you?" or words to that effect. And he was right of
course. Pity that Ghandi became the target of an Indian assassin -- which is
another way of saying that Ghandi was slain by the Hindu extremists.
Hope you get the general drift of my thinking...
What if Greeks once more decide to "deep-bury" Turkish Cypriots alive using
bulldozers like they did in the past? What will the EU do? Will they act it
in time? Indeed, will the EU remain around by then?
--
choro-nik
*******
Politics and history don't work with "what if in the future ..."
Because the answer is "we will see". Ghandi's words were stupid, he had
never read Thucydides.

Back to reality! What if another Denktash leads Greeks to the gilotina
ONLY because they want to live free?

There is no better protector of HR today and in the visible future than
EU. So, let all EU laws and measures be applied in Cyprus: One equal
vote for all.

Anyway do never forget the equation:

rights of Turks in Cyprus = rights of Kurds in Turkey.
choro-nik
2006-10-11 23:45:16 UTC
Permalink
Yeah, go on blame everything on the British including the gunnings down of
British housewives and their children out shopping in Famagusta, on Ledra
Street in Nicosia and other places. Newspaper reporter Nikos Sampson whom
you made el Presidente of Cyprus owner of Makhi (The Battle) newspaper and
other gunmen -- remember them? You raised statues in their honor.
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Istor the Macedonian
You mean those who were executed by English soldiers after Denktash'
suggestion?
You have always wanted much more than minority's right in Cyprus dear
Choro. While you have always offered much less to Kurdish people.
But, lets look to the future. There is no better protector af mnority's
human rights than EU. So, don't ask some priviledges that are against
EU rules.
Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek
Post by choro-nik
Post by Istor the Macedonian
All Cypriots, shall return to their homes and shall be free to travel,
visit, establish, build ... at any region of the island. There shall be
no special priviledges for ANY Cypriot, because of EU membership.
Agreed but only if those Turkish Cypriots who you used bozzdozers to bury
alive can also go back to their villages. Agreed?
--
choro-nik
*******
Istor the Macedonian
2006-10-15 12:51:58 UTC
Permalink
An enslaved people have full right and shall do ANYTHING to get
independnace and freedom.

Few years earlier, UK oficialy had promised freedom to Cypriots if they
fough with UK in WWII. The war ended but no liberty. So, what you Turks
would do?

Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek
Post by choro-nik
Yeah, go on blame everything on the British including the gunnings down of
British housewives and their children out shopping in Famagusta, on Ledra
Street in Nicosia and other places. Newspaper reporter Nikos Sampson whom
you made el Presidente of Cyprus owner of Makhi (The Battle) newspaper and
other gunmen -- remember them? You raised statues in their honor.
--
choro-nik
*******
............................
choro-nik
2006-10-15 15:07:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Istor the Macedonian
An enslaved people have full right and shall do ANYTHING to get
independnace and freedom.
Few years earlier, UK oficialy had promised freedom to Cypriots if they
fough with UK in WWII. The war ended but no liberty. So, what you Turks
would do?
Cyprus should have been returned to its previous owners and therefore to the
Turks when the British left. The British had no right to promise Cyprus
which they grabbed from the Ottomans to anybody except to return its to its
previous owners.

Entaksi kyrie geotuboklu?

choro-nik
*******
Post by Istor the Macedonian
Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek
Post by choro-nik
Yeah, go on blame everything on the British including the gunnings down of
British housewives and their children out shopping in Famagusta, on Ledra
Street in Nicosia and other places. Newspaper reporter Nikos Sampson whom
you made el Presidente of Cyprus owner of Makhi (The Battle) newspaper and
other gunmen -- remember them? You raised statues in their honor.
--
choro-nik
*******
............................
Istor the Macedonian
2006-10-15 19:45:50 UTC
Permalink
Cyprus should have been returned to its population before and after all
the time.
Ottoman occupation wasn't something to be liked by anyone.

What are those fascist ideas of yours? Are you really that sick people?
How could you be proud of any Ottoman occupation when you do know that
it was brutal and respectless for all non-muslim populations? is this
http://www.network54.com/Forum/65399/thread/1160916986/last-1160939300/
TRUE ??
Is that what you are taught in schools ??

So, Asia Minor shall return to Byzantine Empire?
aeisixtir !

Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek ??
Post by choro-nik
Post by Istor the Macedonian
An enslaved people have full right and shall do ANYTHING to get
independnace and freedom.
Few years earlier, UK oficialy had promised freedom to Cypriots if they
fough with UK in WWII. The war ended but no liberty. So, what you Turks
would do?
Cyprus should have been returned to its previous owners and therefore to the
Turks when the British left. The British had no right to promise Cyprus
which they grabbed from the Ottomans to anybody except to return its to its
previous owners.
Entaksi kyrie geotuboklu?
choro-nik
choro-nik
2006-10-15 20:31:29 UTC
Permalink
assikhtir re Istor.

When are you going to apply for your Macedonian passport?
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Istor the Macedonian
Cyprus should have been returned to its population before and after all
the time.
Ottoman occupation wasn't something to be liked by anyone.
What are those fascist ideas of yours? Are you really that sick people?
How could you be proud of any Ottoman occupation when you do know that
it was brutal and respectless for all non-muslim populations? is this
http://www.network54.com/Forum/65399/thread/1160916986/last-1160939300/
TRUE ??
Is that what you are taught in schools ??
So, Asia Minor shall return to Byzantine Empire?
aeisixtir !
Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek ??
Post by choro-nik
Post by Istor the Macedonian
An enslaved people have full right and shall do ANYTHING to get
independnace and freedom.
Few years earlier, UK oficialy had promised freedom to Cypriots if they
fough with UK in WWII. The war ended but no liberty. So, what you Turks
would do?
Cyprus should have been returned to its previous owners and therefore to the
Turks when the British left. The British had no right to promise Cyprus
which they grabbed from the Ottomans to anybody except to return its to its
previous owners.
Entaksi kyrie geotuboklu?
choro-nik
gogu
2006-10-16 21:47:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by choro-nik
assikhtir re Istor.
When are you going to apply for your Macedonian passport?
LOL
And this is a Turk who says he is a..."Greek loving" Turk and one for the
"conciliation with the Greeks";-)
I suppose the term "Turkish hypocrisy" is well applied to this fascist, gray
wolf Turk;-)
Not to mention his typical fascist Turkish, vulgar language...
Because "assikhtir" in Turkish means..."go f**k yourself"!
These extremist animals can not debate with arguments, only with name
calling and
insults.
Oh well, he is one of those rotten Turks, so his barbarian character and
vulgar language should not surprise us...

PS
If I was a fascist animal like him, I could have answered: "when you
will apply for your Kurdish passport", but I am not like him so I am not
saying it;-)
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Istor the Macedonian
Cyprus should have been returned to its population before and after all
the time.
Ottoman occupation wasn't something to be liked by anyone.
What are those fascist ideas of yours? Are you really that sick people?
How could you be proud of any Ottoman occupation when you do know that
it was brutal and respectless for all non-muslim populations? is this
http://www.network54.com/Forum/65399/thread/1160916986/last-1160939300/
TRUE ??
Is that what you are taught in schools ??
So, Asia Minor shall return to Byzantine Empire?
aeisixtir !
Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek ??
Post by choro-nik
Post by Istor the Macedonian
An enslaved people have full right and shall do ANYTHING to get
independnace and freedom.
Few years earlier, UK oficialy had promised freedom to Cypriots if they
fough with UK in WWII. The war ended but no liberty. So, what you Turks
would do?
Cyprus should have been returned to its previous owners and therefore to the
Turks when the British left. The British had no right to promise Cyprus
which they grabbed from the Ottomans to anybody except to return its to its
previous owners.
Entaksi kyrie geotuboklu?
choro-nik
choro-nik
2006-10-16 23:50:47 UTC
Permalink
I told you. It is no longer choro-nik, the nice guy. It is NO HOLDS BARRED
from now on. Or didn't you hear me?

Now, scram. Assikhtir. And Assiktir does NOT MEAN "go fuck yourself" but
then if that is what YOU prefer to do, who is gona stop you? Not me, for
sure.
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by gogu
Post by choro-nik
assikhtir re Istor.
When are you going to apply for your Macedonian passport?
LOL
And this is a Turk who says he is a..."Greek loving" Turk and one for the
"conciliation with the Greeks";-)
I suppose the term "Turkish hypocrisy" is well applied to this fascist, gray
wolf Turk;-)
Not to mention his typical fascist Turkish, vulgar language...
Because "assikhtir" in Turkish means..."go f**k yourself"!
These extremist animals can not debate with arguments, only with name
calling and
insults.
Oh well, he is one of those rotten Turks, so his barbarian character and
vulgar language should not surprise us...
PS
If I was a fascist animal like him, I could have answered: "when you
will apply for your Kurdish passport", but I am not like him so I am not
saying it;-)
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Istor the Macedonian
Cyprus should have been returned to its population before and after all
the time.
Ottoman occupation wasn't something to be liked by anyone.
What are those fascist ideas of yours? Are you really that sick people?
How could you be proud of any Ottoman occupation when you do know that
it was brutal and respectless for all non-muslim populations? is this
http://www.network54.com/Forum/65399/thread/1160916986/last-1160939300/
TRUE ??
Is that what you are taught in schools ??
So, Asia Minor shall return to Byzantine Empire?
aeisixtir !
Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek ??
Post by choro-nik
Post by Istor the Macedonian
An enslaved people have full right and shall do ANYTHING to get
independnace and freedom.
Few years earlier, UK oficialy had promised freedom to Cypriots if they
fough with UK in WWII. The war ended but no liberty. So, what you Turks
would do?
Cyprus should have been returned to its previous owners and therefore
to
the
Turks when the British left. The British had no right to promise Cyprus
which they grabbed from the Ottomans to anybody except to return its to its
previous owners.
Entaksi kyrie geotuboklu?
choro-nik
choro-nik
2006-10-15 22:00:12 UTC
Permalink
The Ottoman administration was comparatively far more enlightened in its day
and age. The Greek Orthodox Church was under far stricter constraints under
the Catholic Venetians for starters. But then you are loath to facts, aren't
you?
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Istor the Macedonian
Cyprus should have been returned to its population before and after all
the time.
Ottoman occupation wasn't something to be liked by anyone.
What are those fascist ideas of yours? Are you really that sick people?
How could you be proud of any Ottoman occupation when you do know that
it was brutal and respectless for all non-muslim populations? is this
http://www.network54.com/Forum/65399/thread/1160916986/last-1160939300/
TRUE ??
Is that what you are taught in schools ??
So, Asia Minor shall return to Byzantine Empire?
aeisixtir !
Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek ??
Post by choro-nik
Post by Istor the Macedonian
An enslaved people have full right and shall do ANYTHING to get
independnace and freedom.
Few years earlier, UK oficialy had promised freedom to Cypriots if they
fough with UK in WWII. The war ended but no liberty. So, what you Turks
would do?
Cyprus should have been returned to its previous owners and therefore to the
Turks when the British left. The British had no right to promise Cyprus
which they grabbed from the Ottomans to anybody except to return its to its
previous owners.
Entaksi kyrie geotuboklu?
choro-nik
Istor the Macedonian
2006-10-16 12:48:11 UTC
Permalink
So, shall we now compare two occupators??
Did Romans kiddnapped 500,000 Greek pupils and made them janitsaries?

aeisixtir re Choro !!

Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek
Post by choro-nik
The Ottoman administration was comparatively far more enlightened in its day
and age. The Greek Orthodox Church was under far stricter constraints under
the Catholic Venetians for starters. But then you are loath to facts, aren't
you?
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Istor the Macedonian
Cyprus should have been returned to its population before and after all
the time.
Ottoman occupation wasn't something to be liked by anyone.
What are those fascist ideas of yours? Are you really that sick people?
How could you be proud of any Ottoman occupation when you do know that
it was brutal and respectless for all non-muslim populations? is this
http://www.network54.com/Forum/65399/thread/1160916986/last-1160939300/
TRUE ??
Is that what you are taught in schools ??
So, Asia Minor shall return to Byzantine Empire?
aeisixtir !
Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek ??
choro-nik
2006-10-16 16:56:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Istor the Macedonian
So, shall we now compare two occupators??
Did Romans kiddnapped 500,000 Greek pupils and made them janitsaries?
Yes, do let us compare the two 'occupators'. The Romans threw the
Christians, i.e. the Greeks to the lions at the Coliseum in Rome and
enjoyed the spectacle from the galleries OR they made the Christians fight
to
the death with the Roman Emperor giving the thumbs down for the final fatal
blow with the sword.

The Ottoman 'Janitaries' as you call them were the children of other
'millets' (nations, peoples) of the Empire who were handpicked to be trained
as the crème de la crème of the Sultan's forces who after their retirement
from the Janissary forces became the governors, ministers and leading lights
of the Ottoman Empire. Being selected to be trained for the Janissary was
the equivalent of being selected to the West Point in the United States or
Sandhurst in the UK. And the parents of such children knowing that once
selected their children were destined for a brilliant future actually did
their best to get their children accepted knowing full well that one day
their children would be at the pinnacles of the Ottoman Empire. And contrary
to what you might think those children did not always forget their roots and
did remain in touch with their families and helped theism. If you read old
Turkish books you will come across thousands of such stories about how when
they joined the civilian administration they kept in touch with their
families. But yes they were raised as Ottomans and were loyal to the Sultan
and the Empire.
Post by Istor the Macedonian
aeisixtir re Choro !!
YOU piss off, you pseudo-Macedonian!!!
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Istor the Macedonian
Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek
Post by choro-nik
The Ottoman administration was comparatively far more enlightened in its day
and age. The Greek Orthodox Church was under far stricter constraints under
the Catholic Venetians for starters. But then you are loath to facts, aren't
you?
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Istor the Macedonian
Cyprus should have been returned to its population before and after all
the time.
Ottoman occupation wasn't something to be liked by anyone.
What are those fascist ideas of yours? Are you really that sick people?
How could you be proud of any Ottoman occupation when you do know that
it was brutal and respectless for all non-muslim populations? is this
http://www.network54.com/Forum/65399/thread/1160916986/last-1160939300/
TRUE ??
Is that what you are taught in schools ??
So, Asia Minor shall return to Byzantine Empire?
aeisixtir !
Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek ??
Istor the Macedonian
2006-10-16 18:42:08 UTC
Permalink
Sorry, but only an idiot people could compare two occupations. This is
beyond Greek limits.

As for yenitsars, have you ever read any book not published in Turkey?

Maybe we Greeks do owe a big thanks to you Turks for that
occupation!!??
Maybe Kolokotronis was a terrorist, like modern Kurds who fight for
their freedom!?

Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek.
Post by choro-nik
Post by Istor the Macedonian
So, shall we now compare two occupators??
Did Romans kiddnapped 500,000 Greek pupils and made them janitsaries?
Yes, do let us compare the two 'occupators'. The Romans threw the
Christians, i.e. the Greeks to the lions at the Coliseum in Rome and
enjoyed the spectacle from the galleries OR they made the Christians fight
to
the death with the Roman Emperor giving the thumbs down for the final fatal
blow with the sword.
The Ottoman 'Janitaries' as you call them were the children of other
'millets' (nations, peoples) of the Empire who were handpicked to be trained
as the crème de la crème of the Sultan's forces who after their retirement
from the Janissary forces became the governors, ministers and leading lights
of the Ottoman Empire. Being selected to be trained for the Janissary was
the equivalent of being selected to the West Point in the United States or
Sandhurst in the UK. And the parents of such children knowing that once
selected their children were destined for a brilliant future actually did
their best to get their children accepted knowing full well that one day
their children would be at the pinnacles of the Ottoman Empire. And contrary
to what you might think those children did not always forget their roots and
did remain in touch with their families and helped theism. If you read old
Turkish books you will come across thousands of such stories about how when
they joined the civilian administration they kept in touch with their
families. But yes they were raised as Ottomans and were loyal to the Sultan
and the Empire.
Post by Istor the Macedonian
aeisixtir re Choro !!
YOU piss off, you pseudo-Macedonian!!!
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Istor the Macedonian
Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek
Post by choro-nik
The Ottoman administration was comparatively far more enlightened in its day
and age. The Greek Orthodox Church was under far stricter constraints under
the Catholic Venetians for starters. But then you are loath to facts, aren't
you?
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Istor the Macedonian
Cyprus should have been returned to its population before and after all
the time.
Ottoman occupation wasn't something to be liked by anyone.
What are those fascist ideas of yours? Are you really that sick people?
How could you be proud of any Ottoman occupation when you do know that
it was brutal and respectless for all non-muslim populations? is this
http://www.network54.com/Forum/65399/thread/1160916986/last-1160939300/
TRUE ??
Is that what you are taught in schools ??
So, Asia Minor shall return to Byzantine Empire?
aeisixtir !
Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek ??
Koulakiotis
2006-10-16 20:33:52 UTC
Permalink
"choro-nik" <choro-***@tvcom.net> wrote in message news:9ROYg.144290$***@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
[Snipped]
Post by choro-nik
The Ottoman 'Janitaries' as you call them were the children of other
'millets' (nations, peoples) of the Empire who were handpicked to be trained
as the crème de la crème of the Sultan's forces who after their retirement
from the Janissary forces became the governors, ministers and leading lights
of the Ottoman Empire. Being selected to be trained for the Janissary was
the equivalent of being selected to the West Point in the United States or
Sandhurst in the UK. And the parents of such children knowing that once
selected their children were destined for a brilliant future actually did
their best to get their children accepted knowing full well that one day
their children would be at the pinnacles of the Ottoman Empire. And contrary
to what you might think those children did not always forget their roots and
did remain in touch with their families and helped theism. If you read old
Turkish books you will come across thousands of such stories about how when
they joined the civilian administration they kept in touch with their
families. But yes they were raised as Ottomans and were loyal to the Sultan
and the Empire.
Hey, friend,
You say:
"Being selected to be trained for the Janissary was the equivalent of being
selected to the West Point in the United States or Sandhurst in the UK".

This is a good example of what fascist "enlightenment" can do to you. You
have read too many "old Turkish books". You mean official Turkish books.

During the Ottoman occupation of Greece, many families dressed their
children in girls' clothes and hid them, in order to avoid the kidnapping of
them by the Turks and made into Janissaries.

How would you feel, if you had a child-son (6-7 years old) and a millionaire
kidnapped him? Would you be happy, because he could have "a brilliant
future" (as you say!!!)?.

BTW, at what age do the cadets of "West Point in the United States or
Sandhurst in the UK" enter these military Academies? Straight from the
kindergarten? Do they have a choise?

Be happy,
Koulakiotis
gogu
2006-10-16 21:59:36 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
Post by Istor the Macedonian
So, shall we now compare two occupators??
Did Romans kiddnapped 500,000 Greek pupils and made them janitsaries?
Yes, do let us compare the two 'occupators'. The Romans threw the
Christians, i.e. the Greeks to the lions at the Coliseum in Rome and
enjoyed the spectacle from the galleries OR they made the Christians fight
to
the death with the Roman Emperor giving the thumbs down for the final fatal
blow with the sword.
The Ottoman 'Janitaries' as you call them were the children of other
'millets' (nations, peoples) of the Empire who were handpicked to be trained
as the crème de la crème of the Sultan's forces who after their retirement
from the Janissary forces became the governors, ministers and leading lights
of the Ottoman Empire.
LOL LOL LOL
"Handpicked" is the term the fascist Turkish establishment is using to
describe the ABDUCTION of young Christians:-)
Everybody can see your HYPOCRISY and FEAR to admit the truth and your
BARBARIAN past!
If you are unable to admit the obvious, people wonder how the hell you will
admit the Armenian Genocide!
But I suppose they will pass 20 or 30 more years until you will become
enough civilized to admit your past...
Pathetic, pathetic...
Post by choro-nik
Being selected to be trained for the Janissary was
the equivalent of being selected to the West Point in the United States or
Sandhurst in the UK. And the parents of such children knowing that once
selected their children were destined for a brilliant future actually did
their best to get their children accepted knowing full well that one day
their children would be at the pinnacles of the Ottoman Empire. And contrary
to what you might think those children did not always forget their roots and
did remain in touch with their families and helped theism. If you read old
Turkish books you will come across thousands of such stories about how when
they joined the civilian administration they kept in touch with their
families. But yes they were raised as Ottomans and were loyal to the Sultan
and the Empire.
Post by Istor the Macedonian
aeisixtir re Choro !!
YOU piss off, you pseudo-Macedonian!!!
Your last sentence is making all your above "wise" analysis null!
It only proves that you are an anti-Hellenic racist, a fascist Turk who has
no credibility at all!
But hey, thanks for showing to the whole world how fascist Turks like you
understand..."reconciliation";-)
What a HYPOCRITE fascist Turk you are dear;-)
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

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gogu
2006-10-16 21:52:59 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
The Ottoman administration was comparatively far more enlightened in its
day and age.
This is true, so what?!
Does it give you the right to start counting everything with year 1453 as
year zero?!
Boy, you fascist Turks are amazing!
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

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Post by choro-nik
The Greek Orthodox Church was under far stricter constraints under the
Catholic Venetians for starters. But then you are loath to facts, aren't
you?
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Istor the Macedonian
Cyprus should have been returned to its population before and after all
the time.
Ottoman occupation wasn't something to be liked by anyone.
What are those fascist ideas of yours? Are you really that sick people?
How could you be proud of any Ottoman occupation when you do know that
it was brutal and respectless for all non-muslim populations? is this
http://www.network54.com/Forum/65399/thread/1160916986/last-1160939300/
TRUE ??
Is that what you are taught in schools ??
So, Asia Minor shall return to Byzantine Empire?
aeisixtir !
Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek ??
Post by choro-nik
Post by Istor the Macedonian
An enslaved people have full right and shall do ANYTHING to get
independnace and freedom.
Few years earlier, UK oficialy had promised freedom to Cypriots if they
fough with UK in WWII. The war ended but no liberty. So, what you Turks
would do?
Cyprus should have been returned to its previous owners and therefore to the
Turks when the British left. The British had no right to promise Cyprus
which they grabbed from the Ottomans to anybody except to return its to its
previous owners.
Entaksi kyrie geotuboklu?
choro-nik
gogu
2006-10-16 21:45:20 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
Post by Istor the Macedonian
An enslaved people have full right and shall do ANYTHING to get
independnace and freedom.
Few years earlier, UK oficialy had promised freedom to Cypriots if they
fough with UK in WWII. The war ended but no liberty. So, what you Turks
would do?
Cyprus should have been returned to its previous owners and therefore to the
Turks when the British left.
!!!!
That's funny fascist Turkish logic, but hey, we all know you are a fascist
Turk, don't we?;-)
So in your line of logic, before the barbarian Turkish occupation it was
Byzantine, so it should be returned to "its previous owners the Greeks"!
LOL
Post by choro-nik
The British had no right to promise Cyprus which they grabbed from the
Ottomans
Who "grabbed" it in their turn from us, the Byzantine Greeks!
Post by choro-nik
to anybody except to return its to its previous owners.
Yes, to us, Byzantine Greeks!
Post by choro-nik
Entaksi kyrie geotuboklu?
G-d may have mercy of your black, full of anti-Hellenic hatred soul...
Because it's too late to have mercy of your putrefied, so called "mind";-)
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
Post by choro-nik
choro-nik
*******
Post by Istor the Macedonian
Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek
Post by choro-nik
Yeah, go on blame everything on the British including the gunnings down of
British housewives and their children out shopping in Famagusta, on Ledra
Street in Nicosia and other places. Newspaper reporter Nikos Sampson whom
you made el Presidente of Cyprus owner of Makhi (The Battle) newspaper and
other gunmen -- remember them? You raised statues in their honor.
choro-nik
2006-10-16 23:50:47 UTC
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Post by gogu
Post by choro-nik
Post by Istor the Macedonian
An enslaved people have full right and shall do ANYTHING to get
independnace and freedom.
Few years earlier, UK oficialy had promised freedom to Cypriots if they
fough with UK in WWII. The war ended but no liberty. So, what you Turks
would do?
Cyprus should have been returned to its previous owners and therefore to the
Turks when the British left.
!!!!
That's funny fascist Turkish logic, but hey, we all know you are a fascist
Turk, don't we?;-)
So in your line of logic, before the barbarian Turkish occupation it was
Byzantine, so it should be returned to "its previous owners the Greeks"!
Cyprus was never Byzantine territory. It was NEVER in its history Byzantine
territory. Or haven't you heard of the Venetians and the Lusignans?

According to you anything Turkish is barbarian but that was not the
impression I got when I read Zorga, the Greek by Kazantzakis who talks
fondly the Turkish music teacher, the wise old Turk etc etc. Now I ask you
who is the barbarian? The Turks or certain elements in Greek society such as
you? Cause both you and Zorba/Kazantzakis cannot both be right.
Post by gogu
LOL
Post by choro-nik
The British had no right to promise Cyprus which they grabbed from the
Ottomans
Who "grabbed" it in their turn from us, the Byzantine Greeks!
Post by choro-nik
to anybody except to return its to its previous owners.
Yes, to us, Byzantine Greeks!
The Byzantines were never in Cyprus, you idiot. Unless of course the
Venetians and the Lusignans were Byzantine.
Post by gogu
Post by choro-nik
Entaksi kyrie geotuboklu?
G-d may have mercy of your black, full of anti-Hellenic hatred soul...
Because it's too late to have mercy of your putrefied, so called "mind";-)
The only thing 'putrefied' is the stuff in your colon. Want me to give you
some colonic irrigation?
Post by gogu
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
Post by choro-nik
choro-nik
*******
Post by Istor the Macedonian
Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek
Post by choro-nik
Yeah, go on blame everything on the British including the gunnings down of
British housewives and their children out shopping in Famagusta, on Ledra
Street in Nicosia and other places. Newspaper reporter Nikos Sampson whom
you made el Presidente of Cyprus owner of Makhi (The Battle) newspaper and
other gunmen -- remember them? You raised statues in their honor.
gogu
2006-10-11 21:50:43 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
Post by Istor the Macedonian
All Cypriots, shall return to their homes and shall be free to travel,
visit, establish, build ... at any region of the island. There shall be
no special priviledges for ANY Cypriot, because of EU membership.
Agreed but only if those Turkish Cypriots who you used bozzdozers to bury
alive can also go back to their villages. Agreed?
LOL
And this is how you understand "reconciliation";-)))
I wonder if you think people are as stupid as you to not see your
contradictions: "I love Greeks, and I want reconciliation" and immediately
after that "Turkish Cypriots who you used bozzdozers to bury alive"!:-)))

Well, I suppose this is the way some fascist Turks like you
understand..."reconciliation";-)
But the whole world knows the way the Turkish state understand "fairness:
"we take everything and not give nothing"!
Ladies and gentlemen...those are the Turks;-)

Go FRANCE!

PS
And to prevent you from your usual LIES and misinformation, I am *for*
the returning of *all* Cypriots Turks or Greeks to their homes!
Unlike you, of course;-)

PS2
BTW, are you such a LOSER and you post 24/7 on Usenet?!
Haven't you other interests and you live in Usenet?...
Sad, pathetic, old, senile man(?)...
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Istor the Macedonian
Post by Agamemnon
The Tenacious Exiles: The Struggle of the People of Morphou to Return
By Steven Katsineris
Al-Jazeerah, October 9, 2006
"We live and breathe with one hope and one dream: to return to Morphou. Even
the young people who never saw Morphou live with this dream. The town of
Morphou exists for our children because we have told them about it. My
daughter knows everything about it through the pictures, videos and stories
of her grandparents. She knows all about the orchards we had in Morphou."
Charalambos Pittas Mayor of the Turkish-occupied town of Morphou, Cyprus.
........................................................
* I dedicate this article to the refugees of Morphou, living and departed,
who have hoped, struggled and dreamt of the day of return.
http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2006%20Opinion%20Editorials/October/9%20o/The%20Tenacious%20Exiles%20The%20Struggle%20of%20the%20People%20of%20Morphou%20to%20Return%20By%20Steven%20Katsineris.htm
choro-nik
2006-10-11 23:45:19 UTC
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Post by gogu
Post by choro-nik
Post by Istor the Macedonian
All Cypriots, shall return to their homes and shall be free to travel,
visit, establish, build ... at any region of the island. There shall be
no special priviledges for ANY Cypriot, because of EU membership.
Agreed but only if those Turkish Cypriots who you used bozzdozers to bury
alive can also go back to their villages. Agreed?
LOL
And this is how you understand "reconciliation";-)))
What reconciliation, you idiot. It was Greeks who voted against
reconciliation. So you think Greeks should be given another chance to bury
Turks alive! Well, you won't get it. You can forget all about your dreams of
ethnic cleansing in Cyprus. And don't forget that Greeks were the greatest
supporters of Milosevic for who you laundered funds guess where? In Greek
Cyprus of course.
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by gogu
I wonder if you think people are as stupid as you to not see your
contradictions: "I love Greeks, and I want reconciliation" and immediately
after that "Turkish Cypriots who you used bozzdozers to bury alive"!:-)))
Well, I suppose this is the way some fascist Turks like you
understand..."reconciliation";-)
"we take everything and not give nothing"!
Ladies and gentlemen...those are the Turks;-)
Go FRANCE!
PS
And to prevent you from your usual LIES and misinformation, I am *for*
the returning of *all* Cypriots Turks or Greeks to their homes!
Unlike you, of course;-)
PS2
BTW, are you such a LOSER and you post 24/7 on Usenet?!
Haven't you other interests and you live in Usenet?...
Sad, pathetic, old, senile man(?)...
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by Istor the Macedonian
Post by Agamemnon
The Tenacious Exiles: The Struggle of the People of Morphou to Return
By Steven Katsineris
Al-Jazeerah, October 9, 2006
"We live and breathe with one hope and one dream: to return to Morphou. Even
the young people who never saw Morphou live with this dream. The town of
Morphou exists for our children because we have told them about it. My
daughter knows everything about it through the pictures, videos and stories
of her grandparents. She knows all about the orchards we had in Morphou."
Charalambos Pittas Mayor of the Turkish-occupied town of Morphou, Cyprus.
........................................................
* I dedicate this article to the refugees of Morphou, living and departed,
who have hoped, struggled and dreamt of the day of return.
http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2006%20Opinion%20Editorials/October/9%20o/The%20Tenacious%20Exiles%20The%20Struggle%20of%20the%20People%20of%20Morphou%20to%20Return%20By%20Steven%20Katsineris.htm
gogu
2006-10-12 00:12:15 UTC
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Post by choro-nik
Post by gogu
Post by choro-nik
Post by Istor the Macedonian
All Cypriots, shall return to their homes and shall be free to travel,
visit, establish, build ... at any region of the island. There shall be
no special priviledges for ANY Cypriot, because of EU membership.
Agreed but only if those Turkish Cypriots who you used bozzdozers to bury
alive can also go back to their villages. Agreed?
LOL
And this is how you understand "reconciliation";-)))
What reconciliation, you idiot.
Uuuups!
The senile fascist TURK is again out of his deranged mind and showing
everyone the "civilized" manners of a fascist Turk;-)
LOL
Post by choro-nik
It was Greeks who voted against reconciliation.
It is strange how Turks understand a referendum!
It's a "free" choice but you *MUST* vote what they want!
It is widely known that these fascists have no respect for democracy, so
their stupid reasoning is just showing the obvious;-)
And for WIW, I was a "yes" supporter when the referendum took place, so you
can't blame me:-)
The Google archive is there, you can search if you don't believe me;-)
LOST again LIAR;-)
Post by choro-nik
So you think Greeks should be given another chance to bury Turks alive!
LOL
If you think that you will justify the BARBARIAN Turkish occupation with
18th century-like propaganda, I have news for you silly!
This is the 21st century and nobody believes that an EU country can do such
things!
I understand that you are desperate seeing the EU dream running away of you,
but repeating silly things will not turn the European public opinion on your
side!
Post by choro-nik
Well, you won't get it. You can forget all about your dreams of ethnic
cleansing in Cyprus.
????!!!
*My* dreams you say my senile fascist Turk?!
You know, such stupid and false accusations are not taken seriously by no
one, except you Turks for internal consumption;-)
The TRUTH is and several UN resolution said that, it was the TURKS to ethnic
cleanse the Greek Cypriots from the North!
PWN again, you SAVAGE invaders;-)
Post by choro-nik
And don't forget that Greeks were the greatest supporters of Milosevic for
who you laundered funds guess where? In Greek Cyprus of course.
Yawn....
Yeah, yeah, and in Turkey Al Qaeda supporters like you have placed several
bombs and killed people, so the *entire* Turkey is to be blamed in your
stupid line of logic;-)
You are also forgetting that Milosevich had money in Switzerland, too, also
in...England;-)

Now go to back in your dark basement and cy alone;-)

PWN!
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
Post by choro-nik
--
choro-nik
*******
Post by gogu
I wonder if you think people are as stupid as you to not see your
contradictions: "I love Greeks, and I want reconciliation" and immediately
after that "Turkish Cypriots who you used bozzdozers to bury alive"!:-)))
Well, I suppose this is the way some fascist Turks like you
understand..."reconciliation";-)
"we take everything and not give nothing"!
Ladies and gentlemen...those are the Turks;-)
Go FRANCE!
PS
And to prevent you from your usual LIES and misinformation, I am *for*
the returning of *all* Cypriots Turks or Greeks to their homes!
Unlike you, of course;-)
PS2
BTW, are you such a LOSER and you post 24/7 on Usenet?!
Haven't you other interests and you live in Usenet?...
Sad, pathetic, old, senile man(?)...
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