Discussion:
Turkeys EU course OVER !
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Agamemnon
2003-08-12 03:54:55 UTC
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Athens cites negative effects for Turkey's EU course due to T/C
'customs pact'

Athens, 11/08/2003 (ANA)

The Greek government on Saturday stressed that a framework pact on a
"customs union" between Turkey and a Turkish-Cypriot pseudo-state illegally
propped up on territory the Turkish military occupies on the island
republic was illegal and a severe breach of international law.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Panayiotis Beglitis said the pact, which was
signed on Friday between Ankara and the Turkish-Cypriot pseudo-state, was
in breach of international law, the UN's Charter and UN Security Council
resolutions, as well as principles and resolutions of the European Union.

The Greek spokesman said the pact was also in conflict with the
institutional framework of EU relations vis-a-vis the Cyprus Republic, as
well as with Turkey proper, a current EU candidate-country.

Beglitis noted that the pact was an illegal act that could have a negative
impact on Turkey's EU course and on its candidacy assessment by the Union's
competent bodies.

Cyprus has been divided since 1974 when Turkish troops invaded and occupied
37 percent of the island's territory. An illegal T/C state was declared in
1983 and is only recognized by Ankara.


http://www.greece.org/cyprus/Documents.htm


Government Spokesman: so-called "framework agreement for a customs
union" is merely an extension of continuing illegality

Cyprus PIO: News Update in English, 03-08-11

The signing of a so-called "framework agreement for a customs union"
between Turkey and the Turkish-occupied part of Cyprus is merely an
extension of the continuing Turkish illegality in Cyprus and an attempt to
by-pass European norms, the Government Spokesman Mr Kypros Chrysostomides
has noted. Speaking to reporters last Saturday, the Government Spokesman
said that the Turkish illegal occupation was continuing and the Denktash
administration was nothing more than a subordinate administration to the
occupation force, that is, an extension of the illegal power exercised by
Turkey in the occupied areas. Mr Chrysostomides also recalled the UN
resolutions on Cyprus condemning the declaration of the pseudo-state as
well as the Turkish invasion and occupation.
"In this framework of illegality", he added, "Turkey, which is responsible
for what is happening in the occupied part of Cyprus, has basically signed
an agreement with itself." The Government Spokesman further expressed the
position that the signing of the "framework agreement" would constitute a
serious obstacle to Turkey's relations with the European Union and its
aspiration to begin accession negotiations by next year.
"It is demonstrated once more that the Erdogan government fully supports
the Turkish Cypriot leader and acts in accordance to the latter's wishes
and the instructions of the Turkish military establishment", Mr
Chrysostomides
said and expressed regret that no change in Turkish policy on Cyprus was
foreseeable in the near future.


http://www.greece.org/cyprus/Documents.htm
defaultnot
2003-08-12 14:05:45 UTC
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Greeks and their goverment do not want to admit that they themsleves
toppled the democratically elected Cyrus Goverment, made a full
effort to annex the whole island, started massacring its Turkish
population.

The rest of the Greek goverment web-site below is bull-shit.
Post by Agamemnon
Athens cites negative effects for Turkey's EU course due to T/C
'customs pact'
Athens, 11/08/2003 (ANA)
The Greek government on Saturday stressed that a framework pact on a
"customs union" between Turkey and a Turkish-Cypriot pseudo-state illegally
propped up on territory the Turkish military occupies on the island
republic was illegal and a severe breach of international law.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Panayiotis Beglitis said the pact, which was
signed on Friday between Ankara and the Turkish-Cypriot pseudo-state, was
in breach of international law, the UN's Charter and UN Security Council
resolutions, as well as principles and resolutions of the European Union.
The Greek spokesman said the pact was also in conflict with the
institutional framework of EU relations vis-a-vis the Cyprus Republic, as
well as with Turkey proper, a current EU candidate-country.
Beglitis noted that the pact was an illegal act that could have a negative
impact on Turkey's EU course and on its candidacy assessment by the Union's
competent bodies.
Cyprus has been divided since 1974 when Turkish troops invaded and occupied
37 percent of the island's territory. An illegal T/C state was declared in
1983 and is only recognized by Ankara.
http://www.greece.org/cyprus/Documents.htm
Government Spokesman: so-called "framework agreement for a customs
union" is merely an extension of continuing illegality
Cyprus PIO: News Update in English, 03-08-11
The signing of a so-called "framework agreement for a customs union"
between Turkey and the Turkish-occupied part of Cyprus is merely an
extension of the continuing Turkish illegality in Cyprus and an attempt to
by-pass European norms, the Government Spokesman Mr Kypros Chrysostomides
has noted. Speaking to reporters last Saturday, the Government Spokesman
said that the Turkish illegal occupation was continuing and the Denktash
administration was nothing more than a subordinate administration to the
occupation force, that is, an extension of the illegal power exercised by
Turkey in the occupied areas. Mr Chrysostomides also recalled the UN
resolutions on Cyprus condemning the declaration of the pseudo-state as
well as the Turkish invasion and occupation.
"In this framework of illegality", he added, "Turkey, which is responsible
for what is happening in the occupied part of Cyprus, has basically signed
an agreement with itself." The Government Spokesman further expressed the
position that the signing of the "framework agreement" would constitute a
serious obstacle to Turkey's relations with the European Union and its
aspiration to begin accession negotiations by next year.
"It is demonstrated once more that the Erdogan government fully supports
the Turkish Cypriot leader and acts in accordance to the latter's wishes
and the instructions of the Turkish military establishment", Mr
Chrysostomides
said and expressed regret that no change in Turkish policy on Cyprus was
foreseeable in the near future.
http://www.greece.org/cyprus/Documents.htm
WolfWolf
2003-08-13 04:05:52 UTC
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Post by defaultnot
Greeks and their goverment do not want to admit that they themsleves
toppled the democratically elected Cyrus Goverment, made a full
NO that was the CIA and Henry Kissinger
Mr. Kissinger was not in Cyprus at that time.
It was Nicos Sampson and the "Akritas" Plan.

WolfWolf
The European
Agamemnon
2003-08-13 04:27:50 UTC
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Post by WolfWolf
Post by defaultnot
Greeks and their goverment do not want to admit that they themsleves
toppled the democratically elected Cyrus Goverment, made a full
NO that was the CIA and Henry Kissinger
Mr. Kissinger was not in Cyprus at that time.
It was Nicos Sampson and the "Akritas" Plan.
Kissinger gave the order for Makarions murder and the Turkish genocides of
the people of Cyprus.

The proof is below.

http://www.greece.org/cyprus/Takism8.htm
Post by WolfWolf
WolfWolf
The European
WolfWolf
2003-08-13 13:38:49 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Post by WolfWolf
Post by defaultnot
Greeks and their goverment do not want to admit that they themsleves
toppled the democratically elected Cyrus Goverment, made a full
NO that was the CIA and Henry Kissinger
Mr. Kissinger was not in Cyprus at that time.
It was Nicos Sampson and the "Akritas" Plan.
Kissinger gave the order for Makarions murder
UTTER LIES AND BULLSHIT!!!!
Nicos Sampson gave the order to kill Makarios, to kill Greek Cypriots and to
exterminate Turkish Cypriots.
Read the infamous "Akritas" Plan!!! It is all there!!!

YOU HYPOCRITE ...

WolfWolf
The European
Agamemnon
2003-08-13 15:08:24 UTC
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Post by WolfWolf
Post by Agamemnon
Post by WolfWolf
Post by defaultnot
Greeks and their goverment do not want to admit that they themsleves
toppled the democratically elected Cyrus Goverment, made a full
NO that was the CIA and Henry Kissinger
Mr. Kissinger was not in Cyprus at that time.
It was Nicos Sampson and the "Akritas" Plan.
Kissinger gave the order for Makarions murder
UTTER LIES AND BULLSHIT!!!!
Nicos Sampson gave the order to kill Makarios, to kill Greek Cypriots and to
exterminate Turkish Cypriots.
Read the infamous "Akritas" Plan!!! It is all there!!!
YOU HYPOCRITE ...
YOU LYING IMBECILE.

Sampson was an employee of Kissinger the CIA and MOSSAD and never targeted
Muslims Cypriots. The so-called Akritas plan was a document to reform to the
illegal British imposed Constitution to bring it in line with the
International Convention of Human Rights since it treated the majority Greek
Cypriots as second class citizens and made Cyprus ungovernable, and which
predicted that Turkey would resort to STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM to
interfere with Cyprus affairs which was proven to be correct and condemned
by the United Nations.


Papadopoulos: ''Turkey has signed an agreement with Turkey''

Nicosia, Aug 11 (CNA) - The so-called framework agreement for a
customs union between Turkey and the illegal Turkish Cypriot regime in
the Turkish-occupied northern part of Cyprus will cause problems to
Ankara's European aspirations, Cyprus President Tassos Papadopoulos has
stressed.

Speaking after a memorial service yesterday for teh Greek Cypriots
killed in the 1964 bombing of Tillyria by the Turkish airforce,
President Papadopoulos said the "agreement" signed by Turkey and the
bogus-state on Friday ''is empty of content'', noting that actually it
was signed between Turkey and... Turkey.
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WolfWolf
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WolfWolf
2003-08-13 17:47:03 UTC
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Post by defaultnot
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Agamemnon
Post by WolfWolf
Post by defaultnot
Greeks and their goverment do not want to admit that they
themsleves
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Agamemnon
Post by WolfWolf
Post by defaultnot
toppled the democratically elected Cyrus Goverment, made a full
NO that was the CIA and Henry Kissinger
Mr. Kissinger was not in Cyprus at that time.
It was Nicos Sampson and the "Akritas" Plan.
Kissinger gave the order for Makarions murder
UTTER LIES AND BULLSHIT!!!!
Nicos Sampson gave the order to kill Makarios, to kill Greek Cypriots and
to
Post by WolfWolf
exterminate Turkish Cypriots.
Read the infamous "Akritas" Plan!!! It is all there!!!
YOU HYPOCRITE ...
Sampson was an employee of Kissinger the CIA and MOSSAD
YOU BULLSHITTING BASTARD!!!

Dr. Henry Kissinger, Nobel Peace Price, had no employees. He himself was employee - US
Secretary of State.
Nicos Sampson (MAY HE ROT IN HELL!!!) was a born scumbag, a gangbanger, a perverted
parasite, whose only aim was to kill, kill and kill.
He was like Hitler, Idi Amin, Gadhafi, Pol Pot and Saddam Hussein in one person.
He had one thing in common with them: he did NOT achieve his objective.
Turkish Cypriots are there to stay - and there is nothing, absolutely nothing you can
do against it.
Not even in your wet dreams, Aggie.

And you, Aggie, are a LYING PRICK, a COWARD, and a NAZI RACIST!!!
Moreover, you are a BAD DJ!!!

WolfWolf
The European
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
2003-08-19 04:00:16 UTC
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"PHAgamemnon" <***@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message news:bhdk9b$rev$***@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
...
Post by Agamemnon
YOU LYING IMBECILE.
*LOL*
Post by Agamemnon
Sampson was an employee of Kissinger the CIA and MOSSAD
www.consiracytheoryeejits.org
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
2003-08-20 01:50:36 UTC
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Post by Seanie O'Kilfoyle
...
Post by Agamemnon
YOU LYING IMBECILE.
*LOL*
Post by Agamemnon
Sampson was an employee of Kissinger the CIA and MOSSAD
www.consiracytheoryeejits.org
Seanie, I remember that other times the Phagamemnon used to say that Nikos
Sampson was
a protector of Human Rights.
WolfWolf
The European
*LOL*

He is one confused little Phaggie aint he !

Next week he'll tell us that he's really a Turk who had a sex change and
became a Cockney Reject Cypriot quite by accident and was forced to become a
bigoted loudmouth against his will

*G*

Nicolas
2003-08-13 15:53:48 UTC
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Post by WolfWolf
Post by Agamemnon
Post by WolfWolf
Post by defaultnot
Greeks and their goverment do not want to admit that they themsleves
toppled the democratically elected Cyrus Goverment, made a full
NO that was the CIA and Henry Kissinger
Mr. Kissinger was not in Cyprus at that time.
It was Nicos Sampson and the "Akritas" Plan.
Kissinger gave the order for Makarions murder
UTTER LIES AND BULLSHIT!!!!
Nicos Sampson gave the order to kill Makarios, to kill Greek Cypriots and to
exterminate Turkish Cypriots.
Read the infamous "Akritas" Plan!!! It is all there!!!
YOU HYPOCRITE ...
WolfWolf
The European
Nobody wants Turkey in the EU no matter how much you hand-wave, rant,
jump up and down and perform cartwheels.
Get with it.

Nicolas
Acephale Lemar
2003-08-14 06:49:49 UTC
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No cross posts witout fup 2 xy news group, o.k. man? fup2sct
Nico, I wouldn't hold my breath for it if I were you.
Definitely not.
You as a Greek must realise that you have not only lost leverage &
control. You've also lost overview.
With amusement
WolfWolf
The European
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defaultnot
2003-08-13 17:21:31 UTC
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http://www.trncwashdc.org/h001.html

THE AKRITAS PLAN

...TOP SECRET....FROM HEADQUARTERS ...

RECENT DEVELOPMENTS

A. EXTERNAL TACTICS (INTERNATIONAL)

B. INTERNAL FRONT


RECENT DEVELOPMENTS

The recent public statements of the Archbishop have prescribed
the course which our national issue will
follow in the immediate future. As we have stressed in the past,
national struggles are neither judged nor solved
from day to day, nor is it always possible to fix definite time limits
for the achievement of the various stages of
their development. Our national cause must always be judged in the
light of the conditions and developments of
the moment; the measures which will be taken, the tactics and the time
of implementing each measure is
determined by the conditions existing at the time, both
internationally, and internally. The entire effort is trying
and must pass through various stages, because the factors which
influence the final result are many and varied. It
must be understood by everyone that each measure taken is the result
of continuous studies and, un the
meantime, forms the basis for the future measures. It must be
recognized that the measures which are
prescribed now constitute only the first step, one simple stage
towards the final and unalterable national
objective, to the full and unfettered exercise of the right of
self-determination of the people.

Since the purpose remains unalterable, what remains to be
examined is the subject of tactics. This must
necessarily be separated as internal and external

A. EXTERNAL TACTICS (INTERNATIONAL)

During the recent stages of our national struggle the Cyprus
problem has been presented to world public
opinion and diplomatic circles as a demand for the exercise of the
right of self-determination of the people of
Cyprus. In the exercise of this right, the subject of the Turkish
minority was introduced under the well-known
conditions and with argument of violent intercommunal clashes, it had
been tried to make it accepted that
co-existence of the two communities under a united administration was
impossible. Finally, for many
international circles the problem was solved by the London and Zurich
Agreements, a solution which was
presented as the result of negotiations and agreement between the
contending parties.

a) Consequently, our first target has been to cultivate
internationally the impression that the Cyprus
problem has not really been solved and the solution requires revision.

b) First objective was our endeavor to be vindicated as the Greek
majority and to create the impression
that:

1.the solution given is neither satisfactory nor fair;

2.the agreement reached was not the result of free and voluntary
acceptance of a compromise of the
conflicting views;

3.the revision of the agreements constitutes a compelling necessity
for survival, and not an effort of the
Greeks to repudiate their signature;

4.the co-existence of the two communities is possible, and

5.the strong element on which foreign states ought to rely is the
Greek majority and not the Turks.

c) All the above which required very difficult effort, have been
archieved to a satisfactory degree. Most
of the diplomatic representatives are already convinced that the
solution given was neither fair nor satisfactory,
that it was signed under pressure and solution has not been ratified
by the people, is a significant argument in this
connection, because our leadership, acting wisely, avoided calling the
people to give its official approval to the
agreement by a plebiscite or otherwise, which the people, in the 1959
spirit, would have definitely approved.
Generally, it has been established that the administration of Cyprus
up to now has been carried out by the
Greeks and that the Turks was confined to a negative role and as a
brake.

d) Second Objective. The first stage having been completed, we
must program the second stage of our
activities and objectives can be outlined as follows:

1.The efforts of the Greeks are to remove unreasonable and unfair
provisions of the administration and not
to oppress the Turks;

2.The removal of these factors of the administration must take
place today because tomorrow will be too
late.

3.The removal of these provisions of the administration, although
it is not possible because of the
unreasonable attitude of the Turks and therefore, since it is not
possible by agreement with the Turks,
unilateral action is justified;

4.The issue of revision is an internal affair of the Cypriots and
does not give the right of intervention, by
force or otherwise, to anyone;

5.The proposed amendments are reasonable, just, and safeguard the
reasonable rights of the minority.

e) It has been generally proven that today the international
climate is against every type of oppression and
especially the oppression of minorities. The Turks have already
succeeded in persuading international opinion
that union of Cyprus with Greece amounts to an attempt to enslave
them. Further, it is judged that we have
greater possibilities of succeeding in our efforts to influence
international public opinion in our favor if we present
our demand, as we did during the struggle, as a demand for exercising
the right of self-determination, rather than
as a demand for Enosis. However, in order to secure the right to
exercise complete and free self-determination,
first of all, we must get rid of all those provisions of the
Constitution and of the Agreements (Treaty of
Guarantee, Treaty of Alliance etc.) which obstruct the free and
unfettered expression and implementation of the
wishes of our people and which may open the way to dangers of external
intervention. It is exactly for this
reason that the first target of attack has been the Treaty of
Guarantee, which was the first that was stated to be
no longer recognized by the Greek Cypriots.

When this achieved no power, legal or moral, can stop us from
deciding our future alone and freely and
exercising the right of self-determination by a plebiscite.

From the above, the conclusion can be drawn that for the success
of our plan a chain of actions and
development is needed, each of which is a necessity and a must,
otherwise, future actions will remain legally
unjustified and politically unattainable, while at the same time we
will expose the people and the country to
serious consequences. The actions to be taken can be classified under
the following headings:

a) Amendment of the negative elements of the Agreements and
parallel abandonment in practice of the
Treaties of Guarantee and Alliance. This step is necessary because the
need for amendments of the negative
aspects of the treaties is generally accepted internationally and is
considered justified (we can even justify
unilateral action), while at the same time external intervention to
prevent us amending them is held unjustified and
inapplicable;

b) After the above actions, the Treaty of Guarantee (the right of
intervention) becomes legally and
substantially inapplicable;

c) Once Cyprus is not bound by the restrictions (of the Treaties
of Guarantee and Alliance) regarding the
exercise of the right of self-determination, the people will be free
to give expression to and implement their
desire.

d) Legal confrontation by the forces of State (police and even
friendly military forces) of every internal or
external intervention because then we shall be completely independent.

Therefore the actions from (a) to (d) are absolutely necessary
and must be carried out in the above order
and in time.
It is therefore obvious that if we hope to have any possibility
of success internationally in our above
actions, we cannot and must not reveal or declare the various stages
of the struggle before the previous one is
completed. For instance, if it is accepted that above four stages are
necessary course, then it is unthinkable to
speak of amendments (stage (a)) if stage (d) is revealed. How can it
be possible to aim at the amendment of the
negative aspects by arguing that this is necessary for the functioning
of the State and the Agreements.

The above relate to targets, aims and tactics in the
international field. And now on the internal front:

B. INTERNAL FRONT

The international actions are judged by the interpretations that
will be given to them internationally and by
the effects that our actions will have on our national cause.

1. The only danger which could be described as insurmountable is
the possibility of external intervention.
Not so much because of material damage, nor because of the danger
itself (which, in the last analysis, it is
possible for us to deal with partly or totally by force), but mainly
because of the possible political consequences.
If intervention is threatened or implemented before stage (c), then
such intervention would be legally debatable,
if not justified. This fact has a lot of weight both internationally
and in the United Nations. From the history of
many recent instances we have learned that in not a single case
intervention, even when legally unjustified, has
either the United Nations or any other power succeeded in evicting the
attacker without serious concessions
detrimental to the victim. Even in the case of the Israeli attack
against Suez, which was condemned by almost all
nations and on which Soviet intervention was threatened, Israel
withdrew, but revived (kept) the port of Eilat on
the Red Sea as a concession. Naturally, much more serious dangers
exist for Cyprus.

But if we consider and justify our actions under (a) above well,
on the one hand the intervention will not
be justified and, on the other, we will have every support from the
beginning, since by the Treaty of Guarantee,
intervention cannot take place before consultations between the
Guarantor Powers, that is Britain, Greece and
Turkey. It is at this stage of consultations (before intervention)
that will need international support. We shall
have it if the amendments proposed by us appear reasonable and
justifiable.

Hence, the first objective is to avoid intervention by the choice
of the amendments we would propose in
the fist stage.

Tactics: Reasonable Constitutional amendments after efforts for
common agreement is impossible we
shall try to justify unilateral action. At this stage the provisions
in (ii) and (iii) of page 21 are applicable in
parallel.

2. It is obvious that for intervention to be justified, more
serious reasons and a more immediate danger
must exist than mere constitutional amendments.

Such reasons could be (a) and immediate declaration of Enosis
before stages (a),(c), (b) serious
inter-communal violence which would be presented as massacre of the
Turks.

Reason (a) has already been dealt with in the part and,
consequently, only the danger of inter-communal
violence remains to be considered. Since we do not intend, without
provocation, to massacre or attack Turks,
the possibility remains that the Turks, as soon as we proceed to the
unilateral amendment of any article of the
constitution, will react instinctively, creating incidents and clashes
the impression that the Greeks have indeed
attacked the Turks, in which case intervention would be imperative,
for their protection.

Tactics: Our actions for constitutional amendments will be open
and we will always appear ready for
peaceful talks. Our actions will not be a provocative or violent
nature. Any incidents that may take place will be
met, at the beginning, in a legal fashion by the legal Security
Forces, according to the plan. All actions will be
clothed in legal form.

3. Before the right of unilateral amendments of the constitution
is established and is accepted, decisions
and actions which require positive violent acts from us, such as the
unification of municipalities, must be
avoided. Such a decision compels the Government to intervene by force
to bring about the unification and
seizure of municipal properties, which will probably compel the Turks
to react forcefully. Therefore it is easier
for us, using legal methods, to amend, for instance, the provision of
the 70 to 30 ratio, when it is the Turks who
will have to take positive violent action, while for us this procedure
will not amount to action, but a refusal to
act. The same applies to the issue of the separate majorities with
regards to taxation legislation. These measures
have already been studied and a series of similar measures have been
decided for implementation. Once our
right of unilateral amendments to the constitution is established de
facto by some such actions, then we shall be
able to advance using our judgment and our strength more forcefully.

4. It is, however, naive to believe that it is possible to
proceed to substantive acts of amendment of the
constitution, as a first step of our general plan, as has been
described avove, without the Turks attempting to
create or to stage violent clashes. Exactly for this reason, the
existence and strengthening of our Organization is
imperative because:

a) In the event of spontaneous Turkish reactions, if our
counter-attacks are not immediate, we run the
risk of having panic created among Greeks, particularly in the towns,
and thus we run the danger of losing
substantial vital areas irreparably, while on the other hand an
immediate and timely show of our strength may
bring the Turks to their senses and confine their actions to
insignificant, isolated acts, and

b) In the event of a planned or spurious attack of the Turks,
staged or not, it is imperative to overcome it
by force in the shortest possible time, because if we succeed in
gaining command of the situation in one or two
days, no outside intervention would be possible, probable or
justifiable.

c) In all above cases, the forceful and decisive confrontation of
any Turkish effort will greatly facilitate our
subsequent actions for further Constitutional amendments. It would
then be possible for unilateral amendments
to be made, without any Turkish reaction, because they will know that
their reaction will be impossible or
seriously harmful for their community, and

d) In the event of the clashes becoming widespread and general we
must be ready to proceed
immediately with the actions described in (a), to (d), including the
immediate declaration of Enosis, because then
there would be no reason to wait nor room for diplomatic action.

5. At all these stages we should not overlook the factor of
propaganda, and to counter the propaganda
of those who do not know or cannot be expected to know our plans, as
well as of the reactionary elements. It
has been shown that our struggle must pass through at least four
stages and that we must not reveal our plans
and intentions publicly and prematurely. Complete discretion and
secrecy is more than a national duty.

IT IS A VITAL NECESSITY FOR SURVIVAL AND SUCCESS.

This will not deter the reactionaries and the irresponsible
demagogues from indulging in an orgy of
exploitation of patriotism and provocations. The plan provides them
with fertile ground, because it gives them
the opportunity to allege that the efforts of the leadership are
confined to the objective of constitutional
amendments and not to pure national objectives. Our task becomes more
difficult because by necessity, and
depending on the prevailing circumstances, even the constitutional
amendments must be made in stages.
However all this must not draw us into irresponsible demagogy, street
politics or bidding higher in the stakes of
nationalism. Our acts will be our most truthful defenders. In any
event, because the above task must make
substantial progress and yield results long before the next elections,
in the relatively short time in between we
must show self-restraint and remain cool, for obvious reasons. At the
same time, however, we must not only
maintain the present unity and discipline of the patriotic forces, but
increase it.We can only achieve this by the
necessary briefing of our members and through them of our people.

Before everything else we have to expose the true identities of
the reactionaries. They are petty and
irresponsible demagogues and opportunists, as their recent past has
shown. They are negative and aimless
reactionaries who fanatically oppose our leadership, but at the same
time without offering a substantive and
practical solution of their own. In order to promote all our actions
we need a steady and strong government until
the last moment. These are known as verbalisms and sloganists, with
pretty words and slogans, but they are
unable and unwilling to proceed to concrete acts or to themselves.
They must, therefore, be alienated and
isolated.

In parallel and at the same time, we shall brief our members
about the above plan and intentions, but
ONLY VERBALLY. Our Sub-headquarters must, in gatherings of our
members, analyze and explain fully and
continuously the above, until each one of our members understands
fully and is in a position to brief others. NO
WRITTEN REPORT IS PERMITTED. THE LOSS OR LEAKAGE OF ANY DOCUMENT ON
THE
ABOVE AMOUNTS TO HIGH TREASON. No act can damage our struggle as
vitally and decisively as the
revealing of the present document or its publication by our struggle
as vitally and decisively as the revealing of
the present document or its publication by our opponents.

With the exception of word-of-mouth briefing and guidance, all
our other actions, specially publications
in the press, resolutions etc. must be very restrained and no mention
of the above should be made. Similarly, in
public speeches and gatherings, only responsible persons may make,
under the personal responsibility of the
Chief of Sub-headquarters, references in general terms to the above
plan. And this only after the explicit
approval of the Chief of Sub-headquarters who will also control the
text. Even in this case, ON NO
ACCOUNT ARE REFERENCES TO THESE TEXTS IN THE PRESS OR ANY OTHER
PUBLICATION ARE PERMITTED.

Tactics: All the briefing of our people and of the public BY WORD
OF MOUTH. We should make
every effort to appear as moderates in public. Projection of or
reference to our plans in the press or in writing is
strictly prohibited. Officials and other responsible persons will
continue to brief the people and to raise their
morale and fighting spirit, but such briefing excludes making our
plans public knowledge by the press or
otherwise.

NOTE: This document will be destroyed by fire on the personal
responsibility of the Chief of Regional
HQ in the presence of all the General Staff within 10 days from its
receipt. Copies in full or in part are
prohibited. Members of the staff of the Regional HQ may have the plan
on the personal responsibility of the
Chief of Regional HQ, but may not take it out of the Regional HQ.

The Leader AKRITAS
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Agamemnon
Post by WolfWolf
Post by defaultnot
Greeks and their goverment do not want to admit that they themsleves
toppled the democratically elected Cyrus Goverment, made a full
NO that was the CIA and Henry Kissinger
Mr. Kissinger was not in Cyprus at that time.
It was Nicos Sampson and the "Akritas" Plan.
Kissinger gave the order for Makarions murder
UTTER LIES AND BULLSHIT!!!!
Nicos Sampson gave the order to kill Makarios, to kill Greek Cypriots and to
exterminate Turkish Cypriots.
Read the infamous "Akritas" Plan!!! It is all there!!!
YOU HYPOCRITE ...
WolfWolf
The European
Jason Lambrou
2003-08-14 02:18:33 UTC
Permalink
And besides which Cyprus is a GREEK island and always has been like it or
not.
Cyprus is a CYPRIOT Island dickbrain
You are forgiven for not knowing this of course, Cockney reject
Hey asshole where the fuck is your friend Harry?Or it is you faggot.

Thanks for the laughs
ecawt85112968/51703
WolfWolf
2003-08-12 17:33:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Agamemnon
Athens cites negative effects for Turkey's EU course due to T/C
'customs pact'
Athens, 11/08/2003 (ANA)
Of course Aggie and his whistleblowers are conveniently omitting that the Customs
Union between Turkey and the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) has not been
implemented. Implementaiton will be made "at the right moment".

The real reasons why this deal has stirred uproar in some media are, again, hidden.
- Customs Union between Turkey and TRNC would annihilate the effects of the (illegal)
embargo by Southern Cyprus.
- The Customs Union would give Northern Cyprus indirect access to the Customs Union
between Turkey and the EU, thus putting it in this field ahead of Southern Cyprus.
- The Customs Union deal is just another step to push Greek Cypriots back to the
negotiation table, or at least to motivate them to recipocate to confidence-building
measures.

The Customs Union deal between Turkey and TRNC has simply been "registered" by the EU.
Diplomats in Brussels said that they would "observe the developments".

It seems like Aggie and his coreligionaries have not yet realised that Greece's
leverage in the Cyprus issue is dwindling.

How many times have we heard the last months that Greece was the strongest supporter
of Turkey's EU accession?
Well, at the end of the day it was all lip service, and the only Greek interest was to
force Turkey to accept Greek hegemony over Cyprus, saying that "Turkey's EU accession
passes through Cyprus."

Is this really the case?

Although EU officials say that Turkey's contribution to a settlement in Cyprus would
be "helpful for Turkey's own EU bid", Cyprus never was 'conditio sine qua non' between
Turkey and Ankara.

After the decision of the EU Council about Turkey's EU accession at the Copenhagen
Summit last December, Turkey's accession process is no longer kept at political level,
hence exposed to waylaying, but at technical level, accurately described by defined,
unerring criteria and monitored in Brussels, not in Athens.

These criteria don't mention Cyprus at all.

The proof is that when the last of seven reform packages passed the Turkish
parliament, Javier Solana said, "Very positive ... it goes exactly in the direction of
fulfilling the Copenhagen criteria for EU membership."

Not a single word about Cyprus.

WolfWolf
The European
Agamemnon
2003-08-12 21:13:35 UTC
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UN RESOLUTION 541 (1983)

Adopted by the Security Council on 18 November 1983

The Security Council,

Having heard the statement of the Foreign Minister of the Government of the
Republic of Cyprus,

Concerned at the declaration by the Turkish Cypriot authorities issued on 15
November 1983 which purports to create in independent state in northern
Cyprus,

Considering that this declaration is incompatible with the 1960 Treaty
concerning the establishment of the Republic of Cyprus and the 1960 Treaty
of Guarantee,

Considering therefore that the attempt to create a "Turkish Republic of
Northern Cyprus" is invalid, and will contribute to a worsening of the
situation in Cyprus,

Reaffirming its resolutions 365(1974) and 367(1975),

Aware of the need of a solution to the Cyprus problem, based on the mission
of good offices undertaken by the Secretary-General,

Affirming its continued support for the United Nations Peace- keeping Force
in Cyprus,

Taking note of the Secretary-Generals statement of 17 November 1983,

1. Deplores the declaration of the Turkish Cypriot authorities of the
purported secession of part of the Republic of Cyprus;

2. Considers the declaration refereed to above as legally invalid and calls
for its withdrawal;

3. Calls for the urgent and effective implementation of its resolutions
365(1974) and 367(1975);

4. Requests the Secretary-General to peruse his mission of good offices in
order to achieve the earliest possible progress towards a just and lasting
settlement in Cyprus;

5. Calls upon the parties to co-operate with the Secretary- General in his
mission of good offices;

6. Calls upon all states to respect the sovereignty, independence,
territorial integrity and non-alignment of the Republic of Cyprus;

7. Calls upon all states not to recognise any Cypriot state other than the
Republic of Cyprus;

8. Calls upon all states and the two communities in Cyprus to refrain from
any action which might exacerbate the situation;

9. Requests the Secretary-General to keep the Security Council fully
informed.



UN RESOLUTION 550 (1984)

Adopted by the Security Council on 11th May 1984

The Security Council,

Having considered the situation in Cyprus at the request of the Government
of the Republic of Cyprus,

Having heard the statement made by the President of the Republic of Cyprus,

Taking note of the report of the Secretary General (S/16519),

Recalling its resolutions 365(1974), 367(1975), 541(1983) and 544(1983),

Deeply regretting the non-implementation of its resolutions, in particular
resolution 541(1983),

Gravely concerned about the further secessionist acts in the occupied part
of the Republic of Cyprus which are in violation of Resolution 541(1983),
namely the purported "exchange of Ambassadors" between Turkey and the
legally invalid "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" and the contemplated
holding of a "constitutional referendum" and "elections", as well as by
other actions aimed at further consolidating the purported independent state
and the division of Cyprus,

Deeply concerned about recent threats for settlement of Varosha by people
other than its inhabitants,

Reaffirms its support for the United Nations Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus,

1. Reaffirming its resolution 541(1983) and calls for its urgent and
effective implementation;

2. Condemns all secessionist actions, including the purported exchange of
Ambassadors between Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot Leadership, declares them
illegal and invalid and calls for their immediate withdrawal;

3. Reaffirms the call upon all States not to recognise the purported state
of the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" set up by secessionist acts and
calls upon them not to facilitate or in any way assist this the aforesaid
secessionist entity;

4. Calls upon all States to respect the sovereignty, independence,
territorial integrity, unity and non-alignment of the Republic of Cyprus;

5. Considers attempts to settle any part of Varosha by people other than its
inhabitants as inadmissible and calls for the transfer of this area to the
administration of the United Nations;

6. Considers any attempts to interfere with the status or the deployment of
the United Nations Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus as country to the
resolutions of the United Nations;

7. Requests the Secretary General to promote the urgent implementation of
Security Council resolution 541(1983);

8. Reaffirms its mandate of good offices given to the Secretary General and
requests him to undertake new efforts to attain an overall solution to the
Cyprus problem in conformity with the principles of the Charter of The
United Nations and the provisions for such a settlement laid down in the
pertinent United Nations resolutions, including Security Council resolution
541(1983) and the present resolution;

9. Calls upon all parties to co-operate with the Secretary General in his
mission of good offices;

10. Decides to remain seized of the situation with a view to taking urgent
and appropriate measures in the event of non-implementation of its
resolution 541(1983) and the present resolution;

11. Requests the Secretary General to promote the implementation of the
resolution and to report thereon to the Security Council as developments
require.


http://www.greece.org/cyprus/
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Agamemnon
Athens cites negative effects for Turkey's EU course due to T/C
'customs pact'
Athens, 11/08/2003 (ANA)
Of course Aggie and his whistleblowers are conveniently omitting that the Customs
Union between Turkey and the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) has not been
implemented. Implementaiton will be made "at the right moment".
The real reasons why this deal has stirred uproar in some media are, again, hidden.
- Customs Union between Turkey and TRNC would annihilate the effects of the (illegal)
embargo by Southern Cyprus.
- The Customs Union would give Northern Cyprus indirect access to the Customs Union
between Turkey and the EU, thus putting it in this field ahead of Southern Cyprus.
- The Customs Union deal is just another step to push Greek Cypriots back to the
negotiation table, or at least to motivate them to recipocate to confidence-building
measures.
The Customs Union deal between Turkey and TRNC has simply been
"registered" by the EU.
Post by WolfWolf
Diplomats in Brussels said that they would "observe the developments".
It seems like Aggie and his coreligionaries have not yet realised that Greece's
leverage in the Cyprus issue is dwindling.
How many times have we heard the last months that Greece was the strongest supporter
of Turkey's EU accession?
Well, at the end of the day it was all lip service, and the only Greek interest was to
force Turkey to accept Greek hegemony over Cyprus, saying that "Turkey's EU accession
passes through Cyprus."
Is this really the case?
Although EU officials say that Turkey's contribution to a settlement in Cyprus would
be "helpful for Turkey's own EU bid", Cyprus never was 'conditio sine qua non' between
Turkey and Ankara.
After the decision of the EU Council about Turkey's EU accession at the Copenhagen
Summit last December, Turkey's accession process is no longer kept at political level,
hence exposed to waylaying, but at technical level, accurately described by defined,
unerring criteria and monitored in Brussels, not in Athens.
These criteria don't mention Cyprus at all.
The proof is that when the last of seven reform packages passed the Turkish
parliament, Javier Solana said, "Very positive ... it goes exactly in the direction of
fulfilling the Copenhagen criteria for EU membership."
Not a single word about Cyprus.
WolfWolf
The European
WolfWolf
2003-08-12 22:02:12 UTC
Permalink
Greek Cypriots Continue to Apply to the Indemnification Commission Despite Pressure

Istanbul, TURKEY, August 12, 2003 - Despite heavy pressure from their leaders, Greek
Cypriots reportedly continue to apply to the Indemnification Commission in the Turkish
Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) for their properties in the north of the island.

TRNC President Rauf Denktas stated that 18 Greek citizens have applied to the
Commission. The Commission was formed to seek solutions for the property problems of
Greek Cypriot citizens. Denktas submitted 18 files, handed to him in person by some of
the Greek Cypriots, to the President of the Indemnification Commission Salih Dayioglu.
Due to the negative approach of Greek Cypriot administrators towards the issue, the
names of applicants will be kept secret. In case the defendants are not pleased with
the Commission's decision, they will be able to apply to the European Court of Human
Rights (ECHR).

Stating that Turkish Cypriots can apply to the Greek Cypriot courts for their personal
properties in South Cyprus and for other rights as well, Denktas said: "If they are
not pleased with the decision, they will be able to apply to the ECHR; and the same
goes for the Greeks as well."

Greek Cypriot Leader Tasos Papadopulos has also confirmed that some Greek Cypriots
were preparing to apply to the Indemnification Commission of the TRNC for their
properties in North Cyprus.

Having heavily criticized the Commission, the Greek Minister of Defense Kiriakos
Mavronikolos has said that these actions symbolise recognition of the TRNC and would
be evaluated as a betrayal.
Paris Kokkinos
2003-08-13 16:09:52 UTC
Permalink
Government strongly opposes any applications to the so-called "courts"
of the pseudostate
Cyprus PIO: News Update in English, 03-08-07
The Government Spokesman, Mr Kypros Chrysostomides, commenting on Turkish
Cypriot leader Mr Denktash/s statement that Greek Cypriots have applied to
the so-called courts recently established in the occupied area for the
purpose of settling the issue of properties in the occupied areas through
compensation, said: "We have no reports for any applications being
submitted to Mr Denktash. I need to stress, however, that the issue of
properties is a central problem within the framework of efforts to solve
the Cyprus problem. The occupation has deprived the 200,000 displaced
Greek
Cypriots of their homes and properties".
Mr Chrysostomides recalled that the decisions of the European Court of
Human Rights and international law in general envisage that occupation
does
not affect the property right. "Deprivation of enjoyment of property due
to
occupation violates the Convention of Human Rights and, as in the case of
Loizidou, led to the decision for awarding compensation",
No problem til here.
he said and added
that the issue of properties is also a collective problem and not only an
individual one.
I disagree with this. Those are private propertys. Claiming collective
rights on private propertys is in direct violation of the human rights of
the individual. In other words this is the same mistake Denktash and Ankara
made years ago and are still making it by not allowing the return of the
rightfull owners to their propertys.

Let us assume that two Cypriots deside to exchange their propertys by their
own free will. Who is going to stop them? If the RoC does then it will most
probably get in trouble with the ECHR. Please note that I say two Cypriots
and two propertys. It doesn't matter if they both are g/c's, t/c's or both.
And it has nothing to do as where in Cyprus those propertys are.
Therefore, Mr Denktash's machinations, which are illegal
and I believe they will be rejected by the European Court of Human Rights,
should not be supported, he said. "The Government strongly opposes any
such
actions by individuals, and if there were any they would be considered
irresponsible acts that did not help efforts towards a solution to the
Cyprus problem or the efforts for the return of their properties. The
Government discourages such actions with particular emphasis and does not
believe that there will be Greek Cypriots who will take such action", he
stressed. The Spokesman reiterated that the Government clearly opposes
such applications or individual actions taken by Greek Cypriots.
I hope I am wrong but I am afraid that many g/c's *will* apply for
compensation and property exchange. Espesialy after December if Denktash
remain in power, and after ECHR gives the 'green light'. Many refugees, for
almost 30 years now, have been living as third class citizens with big
economic problems.
Agamemnon
2003-08-13 16:47:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Government strongly opposes any applications to the so-called "courts"
of the pseudostate
Cyprus PIO: News Update in English, 03-08-07
The Government Spokesman, Mr Kypros Chrysostomides, commenting on Turkish
Cypriot leader Mr Denktash/s statement that Greek Cypriots have applied to
the so-called courts recently established in the occupied area for the
purpose of settling the issue of properties in the occupied areas through
compensation, said: "We have no reports for any applications being
submitted to Mr Denktash. I need to stress, however, that the issue of
properties is a central problem within the framework of efforts to solve
the Cyprus problem. The occupation has deprived the 200,000 displaced
Greek
Cypriots of their homes and properties".
Mr Chrysostomides recalled that the decisions of the European Court of
Human Rights and international law in general envisage that occupation
does
not affect the property right. "Deprivation of enjoyment of property due
to
occupation violates the Convention of Human Rights and, as in the case of
Loizidou, led to the decision for awarding compensation",
No problem til here.
he said and added
that the issue of properties is also a collective problem and not only an
individual one.
I disagree with this. Those are private propertys. Claiming collective
rights on private propertys is in direct violation of the human rights of
the individual. In other words this is the same mistake Denktash and Ankara
made years ago and are still making it by not allowing the return of the
rightfull owners to their propertys.
Let us assume that two Cypriots deside to exchange their propertys by their
own free will. Who is going to stop them? If the RoC does then it will most
probably get in trouble with the ECHR. Please note that I say two Cypriots
and two propertys. It doesn't matter if they both are g/c's, t/c's or both.
And it has nothing to do as where in Cyprus those propertys are.
Therefore, Mr Denktash's machinations, which are illegal
and I believe they will be rejected by the European Court of Human Rights,
should not be supported, he said. "The Government strongly opposes any
such
actions by individuals, and if there were any they would be considered
irresponsible acts that did not help efforts towards a solution to the
Cyprus problem or the efforts for the return of their properties. The
Government discourages such actions with particular emphasis and does not
believe that there will be Greek Cypriots who will take such action", he
stressed. The Spokesman reiterated that the Government clearly opposes
such applications or individual actions taken by Greek Cypriots.
I hope I am wrong but I am afraid that many g/c's *will* apply for
compensation and property exchange. Espesialy after December if Denktash
remain in power, and after ECHR gives the 'green light'. Many refugees, for
almost 30 years now, have been living as third class citizens with big
economic problems.
COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT. The ECHR has already judged that Turkey is in
violation of the refugees collective property rights and is liable to pay
over 500 BILLION EUROS in compensation to the refugees for their loss of use
of their properties and loss of earnings, which is classified as
non-peculiarly and does not affect their continued ownership said property
and allows the refuges the right to make further applications for
compensation if damages are insufficient and for continuing violation of
their rights.

Denktashs illegal so-called "courts" are already in violation of the ECHR
judgment against Turkey since by their existence the refugees are being
prevented from returning to their properties and exercising their rights of
ownership and enjoyment. Ontop of that the illegal so-called "courts" are an
extension of an illegal occupation regime and thus have no legal right to
jurisdiction over Cypriots in their own country since the occupied areas are
legally part of the Republic of Cyprus which has full legal jurisdiction
over all of its territory. Further more they are not impartial and the
refugees have to sign away their right of return and to any compensation for
the loss of use of their property and loss of earnings in order to apply to
them. The ECHR will NEVER agree to them and they are nothing more than a
delaying tactic by Denktash. The sale of refugees property through any organ
in the occupied areas is already deemed illegal.
Agamemnon
2003-08-13 19:46:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Government strongly opposes any applications to the so-called "courts"
of the pseudostate
Cyprus PIO: News Update in English, 03-08-07
The Government Spokesman, Mr Kypros Chrysostomides, commenting on
Turkish
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Cypriot leader Mr Denktash/s statement that Greek Cypriots have
applied
Post by Agamemnon
to
Post by Paris Kokkinos
the so-called courts recently established in the occupied area for the
purpose of settling the issue of properties in the occupied areas
through
Post by Paris Kokkinos
compensation, said: "We have no reports for any applications being
submitted to Mr Denktash. I need to stress, however, that the issue of
properties is a central problem within the framework of efforts to solve
the Cyprus problem. The occupation has deprived the 200,000 displaced
Greek
Cypriots of their homes and properties".
Mr Chrysostomides recalled that the decisions of the European Court of
Human Rights and international law in general envisage that occupation
does
not affect the property right. "Deprivation of enjoyment of property due
to
occupation violates the Convention of Human Rights and, as in the
case
Post by Agamemnon
of
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Loizidou, led to the decision for awarding compensation",
No problem til here.
he said and added
that the issue of properties is also a collective problem and not
only
Post by Agamemnon
an
Post by Paris Kokkinos
individual one.
I disagree with this. Those are private propertys. Claiming collective
rights on private propertys is in direct violation of the human rights of
the individual. In other words this is the same mistake Denktash and
Ankara
Post by Paris Kokkinos
made years ago and are still making it by not allowing the return of the
rightfull owners to their propertys.
Let us assume that two Cypriots deside to exchange their propertys by
their
Post by Paris Kokkinos
own free will. Who is going to stop them? If the RoC does then it will
most
Post by Paris Kokkinos
probably get in trouble with the ECHR. Please note that I say two Cypriots
and two propertys. It doesn't matter if they both are g/c's, t/c's or
both.
Post by Paris Kokkinos
And it has nothing to do as where in Cyprus those propertys are.
Therefore, Mr Denktash's machinations, which are illegal
and I believe they will be rejected by the European Court of Human
Rights,
Post by Paris Kokkinos
should not be supported, he said. "The Government strongly opposes any
such
actions by individuals, and if there were any they would be considered
irresponsible acts that did not help efforts towards a solution to the
Cyprus problem or the efforts for the return of their properties. The
Government discourages such actions with particular emphasis and
does
Post by Agamemnon
not
Post by Paris Kokkinos
believe that there will be Greek Cypriots who will take such action", he
stressed. The Spokesman reiterated that the Government clearly opposes
such applications or individual actions taken by Greek Cypriots.
I hope I am wrong but I am afraid that many g/c's *will* apply for
compensation and property exchange. Espesialy after December if Denktash
remain in power, and after ECHR gives the 'green light'. Many
refugees,
Post by Agamemnon
for
Post by Paris Kokkinos
almost 30 years now, have been living as third class citizens with big
economic problems.
violation of the refugees collective property rights and is liable to pay
over 500 BILLION EUROS in compensation to the refugees for their loss of use
SHEER POPPYCOCK!!!
On March 21, 1979, Athens Supreme Court of Appeals issued Resolution
2658/79 which
stipulates: "The intervention of Turkey, which is one of the guarantors
within the
scope of Zurich and London Treaties, into Cyprus is legal. The Greek
officers, against
whom a case was opened, have the major responsibility."
IT DID NOTHING OF THE KIND. The Athens Supreme Court of Appeals has not
jurisdiction over international or constitutional law. Any such resolution
would have been illegal and overruled by the supreme court of Greece.

The Turkish invasion of Cyprus was condemned is ILLEGAL by the United
Nations and a violation of international law, the UN Charter and the Cyprus
constitution. NOWHERE in any of these does Turkey have a right to intervene
in Cyprus affairs or use force unless authorised to do so by the United
Nations Security Council.
Which makes Greece responsible for paying 400 TRILLION DOLLARS of
indemnization for
loss of property, BARBARIAN ETHNIC CLEANSING and SAVAGE GENOCIDE.
LIAR. The only savage genocide perpetrated in Cyprus was against the Greek
Cypriots by TURKEY.

http://www.agamemnon.dabsol.co.uk/humanrig.htm
WolfWolf
The European
WolfWolf
2003-08-13 20:40:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Government strongly opposes any applications to the so-called
"courts"
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
of the pseudostate
Cyprus PIO: News Update in English, 03-08-07
The Government Spokesman, Mr Kypros Chrysostomides, commenting on
Turkish
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Cypriot leader Mr Denktash/s statement that Greek Cypriots have
applied
Post by Agamemnon
to
Post by Paris Kokkinos
the so-called courts recently established in the occupied area for
the
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
purpose of settling the issue of properties in the occupied areas
through
Post by Paris Kokkinos
compensation, said: "We have no reports for any applications being
submitted to Mr Denktash. I need to stress, however, that the issue
of
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
properties is a central problem within the framework of efforts to
solve
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
the Cyprus problem. The occupation has deprived the 200,000
displaced
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Greek
Cypriots of their homes and properties".
Mr Chrysostomides recalled that the decisions of the European Court
of
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Human Rights and international law in general envisage that
occupation
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
does
not affect the property right. "Deprivation of enjoyment of property
due
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
to
occupation violates the Convention of Human Rights and, as in the
case
Post by Agamemnon
of
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Loizidou, led to the decision for awarding compensation",
No problem til here.
he said and added
that the issue of properties is also a collective problem and not
only
Post by Agamemnon
an
Post by Paris Kokkinos
individual one.
I disagree with this. Those are private propertys. Claiming collective
rights on private propertys is in direct violation of the human rights
of
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
the individual. In other words this is the same mistake Denktash and
Ankara
Post by Paris Kokkinos
made years ago and are still making it by not allowing the return of
the
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
rightfull owners to their propertys.
Let us assume that two Cypriots deside to exchange their propertys by
their
Post by Paris Kokkinos
own free will. Who is going to stop them? If the RoC does then it will
most
Post by Paris Kokkinos
probably get in trouble with the ECHR. Please note that I say two
Cypriots
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
and two propertys. It doesn't matter if they both are g/c's, t/c's or
both.
Post by Paris Kokkinos
And it has nothing to do as where in Cyprus those propertys are.
Therefore, Mr Denktash's machinations, which are illegal
and I believe they will be rejected by the European Court of Human
Rights,
Post by Paris Kokkinos
should not be supported, he said. "The Government strongly opposes
any
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
such
actions by individuals, and if there were any they would be
considered
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
irresponsible acts that did not help efforts towards a solution to
the
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Cyprus problem or the efforts for the return of their properties.
The
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Government discourages such actions with particular emphasis and
does
Post by Agamemnon
not
Post by Paris Kokkinos
believe that there will be Greek Cypriots who will take such
action", he
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
stressed. The Spokesman reiterated that the Government clearly
opposes
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
such applications or individual actions taken by Greek Cypriots.
I hope I am wrong but I am afraid that many g/c's *will* apply for
compensation and property exchange. Espesialy after December if
Denktash
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
remain in power, and after ECHR gives the 'green light'. Many
refugees,
Post by Agamemnon
for
Post by Paris Kokkinos
almost 30 years now, have been living as third class citizens with big
economic problems.
violation of the refugees collective property rights and is liable to
pay
Post by Agamemnon
over 500 BILLION EUROS in compensation to the refugees for their loss of
use
SHEER POPPYCOCK!!!
On March 21, 1979, Athens Supreme Court of Appeals issued Resolution
2658/79 which
stipulates: "The intervention of Turkey, which is one of the guarantors
within the
scope of Zurich and London Treaties, into Cyprus is legal. The Greek
officers, against
whom a case was opened, have the major responsibility."
IT DID NOTHING OF THE KIND.
Yes, it did.
CAN'T YOU READ, IDIOT?!?
The Athens Supreme Court of Appeals has not
jurisdiction over international or constitutional law. Any such resolution
would have been illegal and overruled by the supreme court of Greece.
Was it?
It was not. That ruling was FINAL. And it was addressed against GREEK CITIZENS.
The Turkish invasion of Cyprus
UTTER LIES AND BULLSHIT!!!
It was an INTERVENTION, not "invasion", and it was considered LEGAL by a court of law.

Even the Council of Europe considered it LEGAL:
Resolution 573 (1974) of the Council of Europe "regretting the failure of the attempt
to reach a diplomatic settlement which led the Turkish Government to exercise its
right of intervention in accordance with Article 4 of the Guarantee Treaty of 1960".
http://www.pio.gov.cy/docs/euro/council_of_europe/parl_assembly/res_573.htm
(A Greek Cypriot source)

"RIGHT OF INTERVENTION", got it, LIAR???????

What was ILLEGAL was the heinous "Akritas" Plan by the BUTCHER and MASS MURDERER Nikos
Sampson, and that's why Greece must pay 400 TRILLION DOLLARS *PLUS INTERESTS* for
indemnization of INNOCENT Turkish Cypriots who have lost their property and who were
victims of BARBARIAN GENOCIDE and SAVAGE ETHNIC CLEANSING by the EOKA terrorists!!!

No go and cry in your porridge, Aggie!!

You MISERABLE COWARD ...

WolfWolf
The European
Jason Lambrou
2003-08-14 02:21:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Government strongly opposes any applications to the so-called
"courts"
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
of the pseudostate
Cyprus PIO: News Update in English, 03-08-07
The Government Spokesman, Mr Kypros Chrysostomides, commenting on
Turkish
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Cypriot leader Mr Denktash/s statement that Greek Cypriots have
applied
Post by Agamemnon
to
Post by Paris Kokkinos
the so-called courts recently established in the occupied area for
the
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
purpose of settling the issue of properties in the occupied areas
through
Post by Paris Kokkinos
compensation, said: "We have no reports for any applications being
submitted to Mr Denktash. I need to stress, however, that the issue
of
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
properties is a central problem within the framework of efforts to
solve
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
the Cyprus problem. The occupation has deprived the 200,000
displaced
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Greek
Cypriots of their homes and properties".
Mr Chrysostomides recalled that the decisions of the European Court
of
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Human Rights and international law in general envisage that
occupation
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
does
not affect the property right. "Deprivation of enjoyment of property
due
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
to
occupation violates the Convention of Human Rights and, as in the
case
Post by Agamemnon
of
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Loizidou, led to the decision for awarding compensation",
No problem til here.
he said and added
that the issue of properties is also a collective problem and not
only
Post by Agamemnon
an
Post by Paris Kokkinos
individual one.
I disagree with this. Those are private propertys. Claiming collective
rights on private propertys is in direct violation of the human rights
of
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
the individual. In other words this is the same mistake Denktash and
Ankara
Post by Paris Kokkinos
made years ago and are still making it by not allowing the return of
the
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
rightfull owners to their propertys.
Let us assume that two Cypriots deside to exchange their propertys by
their
Post by Paris Kokkinos
own free will. Who is going to stop them? If the RoC does then it will
most
Post by Paris Kokkinos
probably get in trouble with the ECHR. Please note that I say two
Cypriots
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
and two propertys. It doesn't matter if they both are g/c's, t/c's or
both.
Post by Paris Kokkinos
And it has nothing to do as where in Cyprus those propertys are.
Therefore, Mr Denktash's machinations, which are illegal
and I believe they will be rejected by the European Court of Human
Rights,
Post by Paris Kokkinos
should not be supported, he said. "The Government strongly opposes
any
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
such
actions by individuals, and if there were any they would be
considered
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
irresponsible acts that did not help efforts towards a solution to
the
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Cyprus problem or the efforts for the return of their properties.
The
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Government discourages such actions with particular emphasis and
does
Post by Agamemnon
not
Post by Paris Kokkinos
believe that there will be Greek Cypriots who will take such
action", he
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
stressed. The Spokesman reiterated that the Government clearly
opposes
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
such applications or individual actions taken by Greek Cypriots.
I hope I am wrong but I am afraid that many g/c's *will* apply for
compensation and property exchange. Espesialy after December if
Denktash
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
remain in power, and after ECHR gives the 'green light'. Many
refugees,
Post by Agamemnon
for
Post by Paris Kokkinos
almost 30 years now, have been living as third class citizens with big
economic problems.
violation of the refugees collective property rights and is liable to
pay
Post by Agamemnon
over 500 BILLION EUROS in compensation to the refugees for their loss of
use
SHEER POPPYCOCK!!!
On March 21, 1979, Athens Supreme Court of Appeals issued Resolution
2658/79 which
stipulates: "The intervention of Turkey, which is one of the guarantors
within the
scope of Zurich and London Treaties, into Cyprus is legal. The Greek
officers, against
whom a case was opened, have the major responsibility."
IT DID NOTHING OF THE KIND.
Yes, it did.
CAN'T YOU READ, IDIOT?!?
The Athens Supreme Court of Appeals has not
jurisdiction over international or constitutional law. Any such resolution
would have been illegal and overruled by the supreme court of Greece.
Was it?
It was not. That ruling was FINAL. And it was addressed against GREEK CITIZENS.
The Turkish invasion of Cyprus
UTTER LIES AND BULLSHIT!!!
It was an INTERVENTION, not "invasion", and it was considered LEGAL by a court of law.
Resolution 573 (1974) of the Council of Europe "regretting the failure of the attempt
to reach a diplomatic settlement which led the Turkish Government to exercise its
right of intervention in accordance with Article 4 of the Guarantee Treaty of 1960".
http://www.pio.gov.cy/docs/euro/council_of_europe/parl_assembly/res_573.htm
(A Greek Cypriot source)
"RIGHT OF INTERVENTION", got it, LIAR???????
What was ILLEGAL was the heinous "Akritas" Plan by the BUTCHER and MASS MURDERER Nikos
Sampson, and that's why Greece must pay 400 TRILLION DOLLARS *PLUS INTERESTS* for
indemnization of INNOCENT Turkish Cypriots who have lost their property and who were
victims of BARBARIAN GENOCIDE and SAVAGE ETHNIC CLEANSING by the EOKA terrorists!!!
No go and cry in your porridge, Aggie!!
You MISERABLE COWARD ...
Wolfshit aka Harry the Horrible
The North Turco-European
Where is Harry??
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
2003-08-16 02:22:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Government strongly opposes any applications to the so-called
"courts"
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
of the pseudostate
Cyprus PIO: News Update in English, 03-08-07
The Government Spokesman, Mr Kypros Chrysostomides, commenting on
Turkish
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Cypriot leader Mr Denktash/s statement that Greek Cypriots have
applied
Post by Agamemnon
to
Post by Paris Kokkinos
the so-called courts recently established in the occupied area for
the
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
purpose of settling the issue of properties in the occupied areas
through
Post by Paris Kokkinos
compensation, said: "We have no reports for any applications being
submitted to Mr Denktash. I need to stress, however, that the issue
of
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
properties is a central problem within the framework of efforts to
solve
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
the Cyprus problem. The occupation has deprived the 200,000
displaced
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Greek
Cypriots of their homes and properties".
Mr Chrysostomides recalled that the decisions of the European Court
of
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Human Rights and international law in general envisage that
occupation
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
does
not affect the property right. "Deprivation of enjoyment of property
due
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
to
occupation violates the Convention of Human Rights and, as in the
case
Post by Agamemnon
of
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Loizidou, led to the decision for awarding compensation",
No problem til here.
he said and added
that the issue of properties is also a collective problem and not
only
Post by Agamemnon
an
Post by Paris Kokkinos
individual one.
I disagree with this. Those are private propertys. Claiming collective
rights on private propertys is in direct violation of the human rights
of
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
the individual. In other words this is the same mistake Denktash and
Ankara
Post by Paris Kokkinos
made years ago and are still making it by not allowing the return of
the
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
rightfull owners to their propertys.
Let us assume that two Cypriots deside to exchange their propertys by
their
Post by Paris Kokkinos
own free will. Who is going to stop them? If the RoC does then it will
most
Post by Paris Kokkinos
probably get in trouble with the ECHR. Please note that I say two
Cypriots
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
and two propertys. It doesn't matter if they both are g/c's, t/c's or
both.
Post by Paris Kokkinos
And it has nothing to do as where in Cyprus those propertys are.
Therefore, Mr Denktash's machinations, which are illegal
and I believe they will be rejected by the European Court of Human
Rights,
Post by Paris Kokkinos
should not be supported, he said. "The Government strongly opposes
any
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
such
actions by individuals, and if there were any they would be
considered
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
irresponsible acts that did not help efforts towards a solution to
the
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Cyprus problem or the efforts for the return of their properties.
The
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Government discourages such actions with particular emphasis and
does
Post by Agamemnon
not
Post by Paris Kokkinos
believe that there will be Greek Cypriots who will take such
action", he
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
stressed. The Spokesman reiterated that the Government clearly
opposes
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
such applications or individual actions taken by Greek Cypriots.
I hope I am wrong but I am afraid that many g/c's *will* apply for
compensation and property exchange. Espesialy after December if
Denktash
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
remain in power, and after ECHR gives the 'green light'. Many
refugees,
Post by Agamemnon
for
Post by Paris Kokkinos
almost 30 years now, have been living as third class citizens with big
economic problems.
violation of the refugees collective property rights and is liable to
pay
Post by Agamemnon
over 500 BILLION EUROS in compensation to the refugees for their loss of
use
SHEER POPPYCOCK!!!
On March 21, 1979, Athens Supreme Court of Appeals issued Resolution
2658/79 which
stipulates: "The intervention of Turkey, which is one of the guarantors
within the
scope of Zurich and London Treaties, into Cyprus is legal. The Greek
officers, against
whom a case was opened, have the major responsibility."
IT DID NOTHING OF THE KIND.
Yes, it did.
CAN'T YOU READ, IDIOT?!?
The Athens Supreme Court of Appeals has not
jurisdiction over international or constitutional law. Any such resolution
would have been illegal and overruled by the supreme court of Greece.
Was it?
It was not. That ruling was FINAL. And it was addressed against GREEK CITIZENS.
The Turkish invasion of Cyprus
UTTER LIES AND BULLSHIT!!!
It was an INTERVENTION, not "invasion", and it was considered LEGAL by a court of law.
Resolution 573 (1974) of the Council of Europe "regretting the failure of the attempt
to reach a diplomatic settlement which led the Turkish Government to exercise its
right of intervention in accordance with Article 4 of the Guarantee Treaty of 1960".
http://www.pio.gov.cy/docs/euro/council_of_europe/parl_assembly/res_573.htm
Post by WolfWolf
(A Greek Cypriot source)
"RIGHT OF INTERVENTION", got it, LIAR???????
What was ILLEGAL was the heinous "Akritas" Plan by the BUTCHER and MASS MU
RDERER Nikos
Post by WolfWolf
Sampson, and that's why Greece must pay 400 TRILLION DOLLARS *PLUS INTERESTS* for
indemnization of INNOCENT Turkish Cypriots who have lost their property and who were
victims of BARBARIAN GENOCIDE and SAVAGE ETHNIC CLEANSING by the EOKA terrorists!!!
No go and cry in your porridge, Aggie!!
You MISERABLE COWARD ...
WolfWolf
The European
Very well put Wolfie

That shut the lying toe rag up
Agamemnon
2003-08-13 19:48:48 UTC
Permalink
Just wait and see Agamamnon.
Back in December we where screaming against the Annan plan.
Now we are accepting it. Soon we will be demanding it.
Only as a basis for negotiation after substantial modifications to bring it
in line with EU law.
Back in April we didn't like to see g/c's visiting northern Cyprus by
showing their passports at the crossings.
Now even the g/c police is demanding to see the passports of the g/c's
after
returning from northern Cyprus.
Remember that the ECHR who judged Turkey can easyly judge Cyprus as well.
They did it before. They'll do it again.
Cyprus prepares for legal battle with Turkey

NICOSIA 13/08/2003 (CNA/ANA)

A team of legal experts is expected to submit to the Cyprus government by
mid September its preliminary points with regard to a legal battle against
Turkey, before the European Court of Human Rights, relating to violation of
property rights.

Foreign Minister George Iacovou told CNA on Tuesday that the opinion of the
three foreign legal professors on Turkish claims that there are ''domestic
remedies'' for Greek Cypriots to exhaust before applying to the Court will
be ready by the end of September.

The minister said Nicosia and Athens are coordinating their moves to combat
Ankara's maneuvers, which essentially aim at curbing the flurry of
applications by Greek Cypriots claiming access, use and compensation of
their property under Turkish occupation since 1974.

''There is a specific plan of action on this score but we are not going to
announce any decisions taken in relation to Turkey's attempts to convince
the European Court that there are domestic remedies that should be
exhausted before people apply to the Court in Strasbourg,'' Iacovou said.

Replying to questions, he said the government does not have any information
to the effect that 18 Greek Cypriots have applied to a so-called commission
for compensation in occupied Cyprus.

''The government has the right to intervene in this case before the Court,
which concerns an individual application against Turkey, to put forward its
arguments,'' the minister explained.

The Court has invited Turkey to submit written observations by September 30
on whether domestic remedies have been exhausted, in an individual case.
The Greek Cypriot lawyer handling the case, the Court said in a letter in
early July, will be notified of Turkey's observations in order that he may
submit his written observations.

Replying to questions, the minister said the government is dealing with
this matter in a most serious manner because there is a risk that the Court
may be misled.

''We have to fight this battle and stress that the 'courts' and the
'commission' in occupied Cyprus are illegal. No citizen of any country
should be expected to apply to a regime and its institutions which the UN
Security Council has branded legally invalid,'' the minister stressed.

Turkey's recent moves come as it is under increasing pressure from
Strasbourg to pay compensation to a Greek Cypriot, Titina Loizidou, for
loss of use of her property in occupied Cyprus and allow her access and
peaceful enjoyment of her property.

Scores of Greek Cypriots have filed applications against Turkey claiming
compensation for their properties, usurped by the Turkish Cypriot regime
Turkey maintains in occupied Cyprus.
Post by Agamemnon
COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT. The ECHR has already judged that Turkey is
in
Post by Agamemnon
violation of the refugees collective property rights and is liable to pay
over 500 BILLION EUROS in compensation to the refugees for their loss of
use
Post by Agamemnon
of their properties and loss of earnings, which is classified as
non-peculiarly and does not affect their continued ownership said property
and allows the refuges the right to make further applications for
compensation if damages are insufficient and for continuing violation of
their rights.
Denktashs illegal so-called "courts" are already in violation of the ECHR
judgment against Turkey since by their existence the refugees are being
prevented from returning to their properties and exercising their rights
of
Post by Agamemnon
ownership and enjoyment. Ontop of that the illegal so-called "courts"
are
an
Post by Agamemnon
extension of an illegal occupation regime and thus have no legal right to
jurisdiction over Cypriots in their own country since the occupied areas
are
Post by Agamemnon
legally part of the Republic of Cyprus which has full legal jurisdiction
over all of its territory. Further more they are not impartial and the
refugees have to sign away their right of return and to any compensation
for
Post by Agamemnon
the loss of use of their property and loss of earnings in order to apply
to
Post by Agamemnon
them. The ECHR will NEVER agree to them and they are nothing more than a
delaying tactic by Denktash. The sale of refugees property through any
organ
Post by Agamemnon
in the occupied areas is already deemed illegal.
WolfWolf
2003-08-13 20:45:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Agamemnon
Just wait and see Agamamnon.
Back in December we where screaming against the Annan plan.
Now we are accepting it. Soon we will be demanding it.
Only as a basis for negotiation after substantial modifications to bring it
in line with EU law.
... which asks foir a *balanced and equilibrated* settlement between both sides, thus
eliminating the still existing disadvantages for Turkish Cypriots.
Post by Agamemnon
Back in April we didn't like to see g/c's visiting northern Cyprus by
showing their passports at the crossings.
Now even the g/c police is demanding to see the passports of the g/c's
after
returning from northern Cyprus.
Remember that the ECHR who judged Turkey can easyly judge Cyprus as well.
They did it before. They'll do it again.
Cyprus prepares for legal battle with Turkey
Instead of preparing for a "battle" which is already lost - they must prepare the
indemnization of 400 TRILLION DOLLARS for INNOCENT Turkish Cypriots, victims of the
BARBARIAN GENOCIDE and SAVAGE ETHNIC CLEANSING committed by the CRIMINAL EOKA
terrorists.

WolfWolf
The European
Jason Lambrou
2003-08-14 02:20:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Agamemnon
Just wait and see Agamamnon.
Back in December we where screaming against the Annan plan.
Now we are accepting it. Soon we will be demanding it.
Only as a basis for negotiation after substantial modifications to bring it
in line with EU law.
... which asks foir a *balanced and equilibrated* settlement between both sides, thus
eliminating the still existing disadvantages for Turkish Cypriots.
Post by Agamemnon
Back in April we didn't like to see g/c's visiting northern Cyprus by
showing their passports at the crossings.
Now even the g/c police is demanding to see the passports of the g/c's
after
returning from northern Cyprus.
Remember that the ECHR who judged Turkey can easyly judge Cyprus as well.
They did it before. They'll do it again.
Cyprus prepares for legal battle with Turkey
Instead of preparing for a "battle" which is already lost - they must prepare the
indemnization of 400 TRILLION DOLLARS for INNOCENT Turkish Cypriots, victims of the
BARBARIAN GENOCIDE and SAVAGE ETHNIC CLEANSING committed by the CRIMINAL EOKA
terrorists.
WolfWolf
The European
What did you with your male lover Harry. Are you spanking his monkey?

thanks for the laughs
ecawt85112968/51703
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
2003-08-16 02:20:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jason Lambrou
What did you with your male lover Harry. Are you spanking his monkey?
Your Eeeengleesh just gets worse doesn't it

Babbling bufoon
Jason Lambrou
2003-08-16 02:46:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Seanie O'Kilfoyle
Post by Jason Lambrou
What did you with your male lover Harry. Are you spanking his monkey?
Your Eeeengleesh just gets worse doesn't it
Babbling bufoon
But you still get the message ape man,king of the jungle,gay prince

Thanks for the entertainment and the stupid jokes
ecawt85112968/51703
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
2003-08-16 12:54:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jason Lambrou
Post by Seanie O'Kilfoyle
Post by Jason Lambrou
What did you with your male lover Harry. Are you spanking his monkey?
Your Eeeengleesh just gets worse doesn't it
Babbling bufoon
But you still get the message ape man,king of the jungle,gay prince
Another attempt at humour is it ?

Learn to write first, theres a good boy

TWO FILLETS DOWN !
WolfWolf
2003-08-13 18:15:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Government strongly opposes any applications to the so-called "courts"
of the pseudostate
Cyprus PIO: News Update in English, 03-08-07
The Government Spokesman, Mr Kypros Chrysostomides, commenting on Turkish
Cypriot leader Mr Denktash/s statement that Greek Cypriots have applied to
the so-called courts recently established in the occupied area for the
purpose of settling the issue of properties in the occupied areas through
compensation, said: "We have no reports for any applications being
submitted to Mr Denktash. I need to stress, however, that the issue of
properties is a central problem within the framework of efforts to solve
the Cyprus problem. The occupation has deprived the 200,000 displaced
Greek
Cypriots of their homes and properties".
Mr Chrysostomides recalled that the decisions of the European Court of
Human Rights and international law in general envisage that occupation
does
not affect the property right. "Deprivation of enjoyment of property due
to
occupation violates the Convention of Human Rights and, as in the case of
Loizidou, led to the decision for awarding compensation",
No problem til here.
he said and added
that the issue of properties is also a collective problem and not only an
individual one.
I disagree with this. Those are private propertys. Claiming collective
rights on private propertys is in direct violation of the human rights of
the individual. In other words this is the same mistake Denktash and Ankara
made years ago and are still making it by not allowing the return of the
rightfull owners to their propertys.
Let us assume that two Cypriots deside to exchange their propertys by their
own free will. Who is going to stop them? If the RoC does then it will most
probably get in trouble with the ECHR. Please note that I say two Cypriots
and two propertys. It doesn't matter if they both are g/c's, t/c's or both.
And it has nothing to do as where in Cyprus those propertys are.
If you have observed property settlements elsewhere in Europe during the last 20
years, you will see that individual property rights were always of lower priority.
Collective settlements were given preference.
As disappointing as it may be for each individual case - the state came first.
In Greece itself you had a case - your former King, who did not recover posession over
his properties.
Many other cases - I would say millions - existed in the time of the German
reunification and of the settlement between other former opponents (Poland/Lithuania,
Hungary/Slovakia, Turkey/Bulgaria). A lot of them ended at the European Court of Human
Rights, without the pretended success.
So I see few chances for Greek Cypriots - and for Turkish Cypriots as well - to settle
claims beyond the collective settlement to come. Law is equal for all, and if there
are prior cases the jurisprudence will not change because the demands come from
Cyprus.
AFAIK there is only one case pending for decision at the ECHR which still could change
the course. It is the case of Hans-Adam II. Prince of Liechtenstein who had ancient
family posessions with a castle and some land in today's Czech Republic. During WWII,
these properties were taken over by the German occupation regime, later they were
confiscated by the Prague government, and that's their situation now.
The Prince of Liechtenstein set up his claims against today's Germany, since they (and
not the Czechs) took immediate control over his posessions. He lost before all German
courts, and now he ended at the ECHR in Strasbourg.
It does not seem, however, that his chances are great.
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Therefore, Mr Denktash's machinations, which are illegal
and I believe they will be rejected by the European Court of Human Rights,
should not be supported, he said. "The Government strongly opposes any
such
actions by individuals, and if there were any they would be considered
irresponsible acts that did not help efforts towards a solution to the
Cyprus problem or the efforts for the return of their properties. The
Government discourages such actions with particular emphasis and does not
believe that there will be Greek Cypriots who will take such action", he
stressed. The Spokesman reiterated that the Government clearly opposes
such applications or individual actions taken by Greek Cypriots.
I hope I am wrong but I am afraid that many g/c's *will* apply for
compensation and property exchange. Espesialy after December if Denktash
remain in power, and after ECHR gives the 'green light'. Many refugees, for
almost 30 years now, have been living as third class citizens with big
economic problems.
It remains to be seen. There are elections in December, and their outcome will
influence many issues, not only the property issue. Others will superimpose these.
Everything else would be speculation now.

WolfWolf
The European
Paris Kokkinos
2003-08-13 20:31:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
I disagree with this. Those are private propertys. Claiming collective
rights on private propertys is in direct violation of the human rights of
the individual. In other words this is the same mistake Denktash and Ankara
made years ago and are still making it by not allowing the return of the
rightfull owners to their propertys.
Let us assume that two Cypriots deside to exchange their propertys by their
own free will. Who is going to stop them? If the RoC does then it will most
probably get in trouble with the ECHR. Please note that I say two Cypriots
and two propertys. It doesn't matter if they both are g/c's, t/c's or both.
And it has nothing to do as where in Cyprus those propertys are.
If you have observed property settlements elsewhere in Europe during the last 20
years, you will see that individual property rights were always of lower priority.
Collective settlements were given preference.
As disappointing as it may be for each individual case - the state came first.
In Greece itself you had a case - your former King, who did not recover posession over
his properties.
Many other cases - I would say millions - existed in the time of the German
reunification and of the settlement between other former opponents (Poland/Lithuania,
Hungary/Slovakia, Turkey/Bulgaria). A lot of them ended at the European Court of Human
Rights, without the pretended success.
So I see few chances for Greek Cypriots - and for Turkish Cypriots as well - to settle
claims beyond the collective settlement to come. Law is equal for all, and if there
are prior cases the jurisprudence will not change because the demands come from
Cyprus.
AFAIK there is only one case pending for decision at the ECHR which still could change
the course. It is the case of Hans-Adam II. Prince of Liechtenstein who had ancient
family posessions with a castle and some land in today's Czech Republic. During WWII,
these properties were taken over by the German occupation regime, later they were
confiscated by the Prague government, and that's their situation now.
The Prince of Liechtenstein set up his claims against today's Germany, since they (and
not the Czechs) took immediate control over his posessions. He lost before all German
courts, and now he ended at the ECHR in Strasbourg.
It does not seem, however, that his chances are great.
This is true, but I thing the only legal way the RoC might be able to use in
order to hinder property exchange between two of its own citizens is to
expropriate one or both propertys and face the owners at ECHR instead. Just
about the same thing Denktash and Turkey "did" to g/c propertys in northern
Cyprus. Now we all see the results of it.
Post by WolfWolf
It remains to be seen. There are elections in December, and their outcome will
influence many issues, not only the property issue. Others will superimpose these.
Everything else would be speculation now.
No doubd about it. Speculation it is.
Post by WolfWolf
WolfWolf
The European
Agamemnon
2003-08-13 20:51:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Agamemnon
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
I disagree with this. Those are private propertys. Claiming collective
rights on private propertys is in direct violation of the human rights
of
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
the individual. In other words this is the same mistake Denktash and
Ankara
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
made years ago and are still making it by not allowing the return of the
rightfull owners to their propertys.
Let us assume that two Cypriots deside to exchange their propertys by
their
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
own free will. Who is going to stop them? If the RoC does then it will
most
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
probably get in trouble with the ECHR. Please note that I say two
Cypriots
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
and two propertys. It doesn't matter if they both are g/c's, t/c's or
both.
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
And it has nothing to do as where in Cyprus those propertys are.
If you have observed property settlements elsewhere in Europe during the
last 20
Post by WolfWolf
years, you will see that individual property rights were always of lower
priority.
Post by WolfWolf
Collective settlements were given preference.
As disappointing as it may be for each individual case - the state came
first.
Post by WolfWolf
In Greece itself you had a case - your former King, who did not recover
posession over
Post by WolfWolf
his properties.
Many other cases - I would say millions - existed in the time of the
German
Post by WolfWolf
reunification and of the settlement between other former opponents
(Poland/Lithuania,
Post by WolfWolf
Hungary/Slovakia, Turkey/Bulgaria). A lot of them ended at the European
Court of Human
Post by WolfWolf
Rights, without the pretended success.
So I see few chances for Greek Cypriots - and for Turkish Cypriots as
well - to settle
Post by WolfWolf
claims beyond the collective settlement to come. Law is equal for all,
and
Post by Agamemnon
if there
Post by WolfWolf
are prior cases the jurisprudence will not change because the demands
come
Post by Agamemnon
from
Post by WolfWolf
Cyprus.
AFAIK there is only one case pending for decision at the ECHR which
still
Post by Agamemnon
could change
Post by WolfWolf
the course. It is the case of Hans-Adam II. Prince of Liechtenstein who
had ancient
Post by WolfWolf
family posessions with a castle and some land in today's Czech Republic.
During WWII,
Post by WolfWolf
these properties were taken over by the German occupation regime, later
they were
Post by WolfWolf
confiscated by the Prague government, and that's their situation now.
The Prince of Liechtenstein set up his claims against today's Germany,
since they (and
Post by WolfWolf
not the Czechs) took immediate control over his posessions. He lost
before
Post by Agamemnon
all German
Post by WolfWolf
courts, and now he ended at the ECHR in Strasbourg.
It does not seem, however, that his chances are great.
This is true, but I thing the only legal way the RoC might be able to use in
order to hinder property exchange between two of its own citizens is to
expropriate one or both propertys and face the owners at ECHR instead. Just
about the same thing Denktash and Turkey "did" to g/c propertys in northern
Cyprus. Now we all see the results of it.
There will be NO property exchange you IMBECILE. The refugees property
amounts to 90% of that in the occupied areas and 90% of the free areas and
is word more than 10 times that of the Muslims. There refugees will NEVER
give it up nor their right to return. The events over the past couple of
month have show that the refugees will return to their original villages and
the illegal Turkish troops and colonists must be removed unconditionally
from Cyprus soil. The ONLY solution to the problem of the Turkish invasion
and occupation of Cyprus that is just and complies with international law is
the PUNISHMENT of Turkish aggression and the reunification of Cyprus as a
UNITARY STATE !

http://www.lobbyforcyprus.org/
Post by Agamemnon
Post by WolfWolf
It remains to be seen. There are elections in December, and their
outcome
Post by Agamemnon
will
Post by WolfWolf
influence many issues, not only the property issue. Others will
superimpose these.
Post by WolfWolf
Everything else would be speculation now.
No doubd about it. Speculation it is.
Post by WolfWolf
WolfWolf
The European
Paris Kokkinos
2003-08-13 21:40:10 UTC
Permalink
What has religion to do with it?
The people of Cyprus are Greek Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox, Maronite
Christians, Latin Christians and Muslims.
Who sayed so? I, among many others, am an atheist and I consider myself a
Cypriot as well. Religion has nothing to do with it.
FOOL !
Since when is a UNITARY STATE partition. It is the furthest thing away
from
it you can get.
Depending what you mean by a UNITARY STATE. Would you for examle accept an
a/c, a m/c or a t/c as a future President provided he or she is being
elected by the majority? Or should Cyprus go on with the divition of our
people based on ethnic origine and/or religion? If is so, then I am afraid
the divition of our people and our country will be permanent.
It is apathetic fools like yourself who are doing their best for partition
by attempting to compromise the course of JUSTICE which must NEVER be
subject to compromise.
It seems that you lost me somewhere because of your xenofobia. Give it
another try.
Agamemnon
2003-08-14 02:30:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paris Kokkinos
What has religion to do with it?
The people of Cyprus are Greek Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox, Maronite
Christians, Latin Christians and Muslims.
Who sayed so? I, among many others, am an atheist and I consider myself a
Cypriot as well. Religion has nothing to do with it.
POPPYCOCK. Are you telling me that you were not baptised ?
Post by Paris Kokkinos
FOOL !
Since when is a UNITARY STATE partition. It is the furthest thing away
from
it you can get.
Depending what you mean by a UNITARY STATE. Would you for examle accept an
a/c, a m/c or a t/c as a future President provided he or she is being
elected by the majority? Or should Cyprus go on with the divition of our
people based on ethnic origine and/or religion? If is so, then I am afraid
the divition of our people and our country will be permanent.
The President is the person who gets the most votes in the election. I will
neither accept a Muslim vp or a Muslim president, or anyone else unless in
either position unless they are elected by the majority. The Muslims are a
minority in Cyprus and they must accept that. That is what is called
democracy which is something that is alien to Islam. NO quotas in
parliament, no vetoes and no separate legislatures. One lower and one upper
housed governing the whole of Cyprus and unitary municipalities all elected
by ONE PERSON ONE VOTE with no weighting in favour of minorities in any way
shape or form.
Post by Paris Kokkinos
It is apathetic fools like yourself who are doing their best for partition
by attempting to compromise the course of JUSTICE which must NEVER be
subject to compromise.
It seems that you lost me somewhere because of your xenofobia. Give it
another try.
FOOL !
Paris Kokkinos
2003-08-14 06:35:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
The people of Cyprus are Greek Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox, Maronite
Christians, Latin Christians and Muslims.
Who sayed so? I, among many others, am an atheist and I consider myself a
Cypriot as well. Religion has nothing to do with it.
POPPYCOCK. Are you telling me that you were not baptised ?
In some religions, like for example the Greek Orthodox, the baptisism finds
place at the time the child doesn't even know what is going on. This is
nothing else than an action based on culture or the religion of its
pearents. Persons from other religions, like for example Protestands, will
have to confirm their religion at the age of 16 or later. Something I find
more fair to the person in question.

It seems to me that you are the fool if you think that a person's religion
is determined by a baptisism which found plase when he or she was about one
year old.
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Depending what you mean by a UNITARY STATE. Would you for examle accept an
a/c, a m/c or a t/c as a future President provided he or she is being
elected by the majority? Or should Cyprus go on with the divition of our
people based on ethnic origine and/or religion? If is so, then I am afraid
the divition of our people and our country will be permanent.
The President is the person who gets the most votes in the election. I will
neither accept a Muslim vp or a Muslim president, or anyone else unless in
either position unless they are elected by the majority. The Muslims are a
minority in Cyprus and they must accept that. That is what is called
democracy which is something that is alien to Islam. NO quotas in
parliament, no vetoes and no separate legislatures. One lower and one upper
housed governing the whole of Cyprus and unitary municipalities all elected
by ONE PERSON ONE VOTE with no weighting in favour of minorities in any way
shape or form.
I agree that "ONE PERSON ONE VOTE" is democratic. On the other hand mixing
religion with politics destroys democracy. The contitution of Cyprus was
doing just that. Now it is changing because of Cyprus EU membership. If you
want something new for Cyprus do it in a democratic way. If we want real
Democracy we'll have to stop dividing our people based on their religion or
ethnic origine.
Agamemnon
2003-08-14 06:56:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
The people of Cyprus are Greek Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox, Maronite
Christians, Latin Christians and Muslims.
Who sayed so? I, among many others, am an atheist and I consider
myself
Post by Paris Kokkinos
a
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Cypriot as well. Religion has nothing to do with it.
POPPYCOCK. Are you telling me that you were not baptised ?
In some religions, like for example the Greek Orthodox, the baptisism finds
place at the time the child doesn't even know what is going on. This is
nothing else than an action based on culture or the religion of its
pearents. Persons from other religions, like for example Protestands, will
have to confirm their religion at the age of 16 or later. Something I find
more fair to the person in question.
It seems to me that you are the fool if you think that a person's religion
is determined by a baptisism which found plase when he or she was about one
year old.
GET AN EDUCATION.

The Orthodox is about one thing alone being Greek. Are you telling me that
you have rejected your baptism and therefore your Greekness ? Your papa
would start throwing plates if he heard you saying what you have said.
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Depending what you mean by a UNITARY STATE. Would you for examle
accept
Post by Paris Kokkinos
an
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
a/c, a m/c or a t/c as a future President provided he or she is being
elected by the majority? Or should Cyprus go on with the divition of our
people based on ethnic origine and/or religion? If is so, then I am
afraid
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Paris Kokkinos
the divition of our people and our country will be permanent.
The President is the person who gets the most votes in the election. I
will
Post by Agamemnon
neither accept a Muslim vp or a Muslim president, or anyone else unless in
either position unless they are elected by the majority. The Muslims are a
minority in Cyprus and they must accept that. That is what is called
democracy which is something that is alien to Islam. NO quotas in
parliament, no vetoes and no separate legislatures. One lower and one
upper
Post by Agamemnon
housed governing the whole of Cyprus and unitary municipalities all
elected
Post by Agamemnon
by ONE PERSON ONE VOTE with no weighting in favour of minorities in any
way
Post by Agamemnon
shape or form.
I agree that "ONE PERSON ONE VOTE" is democratic. On the other hand mixing
religion with politics destroys democracy. The contitution of Cyprus was
doing just that. Now it is changing because of Cyprus EU membership. If you
want something new for Cyprus do it in a democratic way. If we want real
Democracy we'll have to stop dividing our people based on their religion or
ethnic origine.
It was the British who imposed the illegal constitution not us. When
Makarios tried to change it the Turks began massacring Cypriot civilillians.
Paris Kokkinos
2003-08-14 07:34:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Agamemnon
The Orthodox is about one thing alone being Greek. Are you telling me that
you have rejected your baptism and therefore your Greekness ? Your papa
would start throwing plates if he heard you saying what you have said.
How wrong you are my friend. I know many Greeks who are not Orthodox. You
are the one who needs an education.
I don't have to worry about my papa either. You see I am 47 years old and I
can do what I like (provided my wife lets me). :-))
Post by Agamemnon
It was the British who imposed the illegal constitution not us. When
Makarios tried to change it the Turks began massacring Cypriot
civilillians.

Then it is about time we change it and our selfs at the same time.
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
2003-08-16 02:27:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Post by Agamemnon
The Orthodox is about one thing alone being Greek. Are you telling me that
you have rejected your baptism and therefore your Greekness ? Your papa
would start throwing plates if he heard you saying what you have said.
How wrong you are my friend. I know many Greeks who are not Orthodox. You
are the one who needs an education.
I don't have to worry about my papa either. You see I am 47 years old and I
can do what I like (provided my wife lets me). :-))
Post by Agamemnon
It was the British who imposed the illegal constitution not us. When
Makarios tried to change it the Turks began massacring Cypriot
civilillians.
Then it is about time we change it and our selfs at the same time.
See re Fagamemnon

Even the decent Greek Cypriot intelligentsia think you are a deluded racist
fool

Shunned by your own kin ey ? How's Northans police doing these days ?

Met any "Hate Crimes Officers" lately have we ?

*G*
Acephale Lemar
2003-08-14 06:50:14 UTC
Permalink
Paris Kokkinos <***@online.no> wrote:

Your mistake is, that my English is to bad, so i never wrote this
posting. I can imagine, which asshole is responsible for it. FOAD I say.
Acephale Lemar
2003-08-14 06:50:52 UTC
Permalink
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bilgilerle, asagiya bakin:

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WolfWolf
2003-08-13 21:03:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Agamemnon
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
I disagree with this. Those are private propertys. Claiming collective
rights on private propertys is in direct violation of the human rights
of
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
the individual. In other words this is the same mistake Denktash and
Ankara
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
made years ago and are still making it by not allowing the return of the
rightfull owners to their propertys.
Let us assume that two Cypriots deside to exchange their propertys by
their
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
own free will. Who is going to stop them? If the RoC does then it will
most
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
probably get in trouble with the ECHR. Please note that I say two
Cypriots
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
and two propertys. It doesn't matter if they both are g/c's, t/c's or
both.
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
And it has nothing to do as where in Cyprus those propertys are.
If you have observed property settlements elsewhere in Europe during the
last 20
Post by WolfWolf
years, you will see that individual property rights were always of lower
priority.
Post by WolfWolf
Collective settlements were given preference.
As disappointing as it may be for each individual case - the state came
first.
Post by WolfWolf
In Greece itself you had a case - your former King, who did not recover
posession over
Post by WolfWolf
his properties.
Many other cases - I would say millions - existed in the time of the
German
Post by WolfWolf
reunification and of the settlement between other former opponents
(Poland/Lithuania,
Post by WolfWolf
Hungary/Slovakia, Turkey/Bulgaria). A lot of them ended at the European
Court of Human
Post by WolfWolf
Rights, without the pretended success.
So I see few chances for Greek Cypriots - and for Turkish Cypriots as
well - to settle
Post by WolfWolf
claims beyond the collective settlement to come. Law is equal for all, and
if there
Post by WolfWolf
are prior cases the jurisprudence will not change because the demands come
from
Post by WolfWolf
Cyprus.
AFAIK there is only one case pending for decision at the ECHR which still
could change
Post by WolfWolf
the course. It is the case of Hans-Adam II. Prince of Liechtenstein who
had ancient
Post by WolfWolf
family posessions with a castle and some land in today's Czech Republic.
During WWII,
Post by WolfWolf
these properties were taken over by the German occupation regime, later
they were
Post by WolfWolf
confiscated by the Prague government, and that's their situation now.
The Prince of Liechtenstein set up his claims against today's Germany,
since they (and
Post by WolfWolf
not the Czechs) took immediate control over his posessions. He lost before
all German
Post by WolfWolf
courts, and now he ended at the ECHR in Strasbourg.
It does not seem, however, that his chances are great.
This is true, but I thing the only legal way the RoC might be able to use in
order to hinder property exchange between two of its own citizens is to
expropriate one or both propertys and face the owners at ECHR instead. Just
about the same thing Denktash and Turkey "did" to g/c propertys in northern
Cyprus. Now we all see the results of it.
I don't know by which legal reasoning in detail the German government prevented
ancient owners of properties in the east to raise individual claims, I only know that
they said "interests of the state prevail above individual interests" and got away
with that, despite of some fierce legal battles.
What made things easier for the German government was that they had already some legal
clauses, even in the EU treaties, for the still hypothetical reunification. Similar
provisions, if taken by Greek Cypriots on time at the accession negotiations, would
have improved their position now.
You might make some research at the website of the ECHR, but it's time-consuming.

WolfWolf
The European
Post by Agamemnon
Post by WolfWolf
It remains to be seen. There are elections in December, and their outcome
will
Post by WolfWolf
influence many issues, not only the property issue. Others will
superimpose these.
Post by WolfWolf
Everything else would be speculation now.
No doubd about it. Speculation it is.
Post by WolfWolf
WolfWolf
The European
WolfWolf
2003-08-14 10:08:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
This is true, but I thing the only legal way the RoC might be able to
use in
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
order to hinder property exchange between two of its own citizens is to
expropriate one or both propertys and face the owners at ECHR instead.
Just
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
about the same thing Denktash and Turkey "did" to g/c propertys in
northern
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Cyprus. Now we all see the results of it.
I don't know by which legal reasoning in detail the German government
prevented
Post by WolfWolf
ancient owners of properties in the east to raise individual claims, I
only know that
Post by WolfWolf
they said "interests of the state prevail above individual interests" and
got away
Post by WolfWolf
with that, despite of some fierce legal battles.
What made things easier for the German government was that they had
already some legal
Post by WolfWolf
clauses, even in the EU treaties, for the still hypothetical
reunification. Similar
Post by WolfWolf
provisions, if taken by Greek Cypriots on time at the accession
negotiations, would
Post by WolfWolf
have improved their position now.
You might make some research at the website of the ECHR, but it's
time-consuming.
I am sure that if the RoC wanted to hinder such things from happening it
could find a way.
But since the RoC is the only legal government in all Cyprus and all
Cypriots (should) have equal rights, it is a very difficult task.
I would say that the RoC is the only (internationally) recognized government.
You cannot make a settlement with one side alone. If a settlement comes (and I am sure
it will come), at a certain point the RoC must make its mind clear about recognition
of the other side. I think that the RoC has not yet prepared itself enough for that.
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Somehow it could be easier for Denktash to hinder t/c having properties in
southern Cyprus to do what they like with them because of his point system
etc etc.
Point system? I think I have a knowledge gap here.
Post by Paris Kokkinos
But this point system is legally invalid for it was based on the
distribution of properties belonging to g/c's and without their approval and
occupation of those properties by the Turkish army (which allowed Denctash
to act this way) makes Turkey legally responsible.
I would still describe the responsibility as political, not legal.
Nevertheless, this difference would become obsolete after a settlement is achieved.

WolfWolf
The European
WolfWolf
2003-08-14 19:17:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by WolfWolf
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
I am sure that if the RoC wanted to hinder such things from happening it
could find a way.
But since the RoC is the only legal government in all Cyprus and all
Cypriots (should) have equal rights, it is a very difficult task.
I would say that the RoC is the only (internationally) recognized
government.
It is another point of view. But I thing we understand each other's opinion.
Post by WolfWolf
You cannot make a settlement with one side alone. If a settlement comes
(and I am sure
Post by WolfWolf
it will come), at a certain point the RoC must make its mind clear about
recognition
Post by WolfWolf
of the other side. I think that the RoC has not yet prepared itself enough
for that.
I would say that the present political leaderships in both sides are
unprepared. Maybe, just maybe, the t/c "oposition" will be more reasonable
and try to come to terms. If it happens, or should I say if the Turkish
"deep state" let it happen, then the international and hopefully the
dpmestic presure on the g/c political leadership will increase and a
solution might come sooner than later.
I see one steady factor (R. Denktash) and around him unsteady constellations, also
across the opposition. Even D. junior is unsteady - he was the one who initiated the
opening of the Green Line.
I expect one or more "surprise moves" after summer, before elections.
The result of these moves might have impact on how the constellations stabilize and
influence the elections - and the steps after.
That's why I would not make speculations now.
The "deep state" is a poor replacement for lack of knowledge. Politics in Turkey was
never so transparent as today, but it takes time and effort to analyze and understand
the different levels of opinion-shaping and decision-making.
Post by WolfWolf
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Somehow it could be easier for Denktash to hinder t/c having properties
in
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
southern Cyprus to do what they like with them because of his point
system
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
etc etc.
Point system? I think I have a knowledge gap here.
Oh. I am refairing to the way used by Denktash to distribute g/c propertys
to the t/c's who came from southern Cyprus. Each familly made a list of
their belongings in southern Cyprus which was converted to points. Then the
t/c's could pick up a g/c property in exchange. (They had to sign a paper
tranfering the property ownership to "trnc" before receiving anything.
Thanks for the info.
Post by WolfWolf
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
But this point system is legally invalid for it was based on the
distribution of properties belonging to g/c's and without their approval
and
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
occupation of those properties by the Turkish army (which allowed
Denctash
Post by WolfWolf
Post by Paris Kokkinos
to act this way) makes Turkey legally responsible.
I would still describe the responsibility as political, not legal.
Lets angree that we disangree on this one. We might both be right (or wrong)
you know. :-)
I have one reason why I define it as "political". The often mentioned ECHR ruling of
the Loizidiou case is, in my view, not consistent with the jurisprudence of other
similar cases. I think that the decision of the judges, which was not unanimous, was
influenced by political considerations.
Others may disagree.
Post by WolfWolf
Post by WolfWolf
Nevertheless, this difference would become obsolete after a settlement is
achieved.
I we could achieve peace and eliminate chauvinism and hate in our country,
nothing will be impossible then.
Agreed.
Has there been any case of chauvinism and hate between those Cypriots who came
together after the opening of the Green Line?
There's a Turkish proverb: "Today's hope is tomorrow's certainty."

WolfWolf
The European
Paris Kokkinos
2003-08-15 05:55:02 UTC
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Post by WolfWolf
Post by WolfWolf
I would say that the present political leaderships in both sides are
unprepared. Maybe, just maybe, the t/c "oposition" will be more reasonable
and try to come to terms. If it happens, or should I say if the Turkish
"deep state" let it happen, then the international and hopefully the
dpmestic presure on the g/c political leadership will increase and a
solution might come sooner than later.
I see one steady factor (R. Denktash) and around him unsteady
constellations, also
Post by WolfWolf
across the opposition. Even D. junior is unsteady - he was the one who initiated the
opening of the Green Line.
I expect one or more "surprise moves" after summer, before elections.
The result of these moves might have impact on how the constellations stabilize and
influence the elections - and the steps after.
That's why I would not make speculations now.
The "deep state" is a poor replacement for lack of knowledge. Politics in Turkey was
never so transparent as today, but it takes time and effort to analyze and understand
the different levels of opinion-shaping and decision-making.
Elections time you know. Political leaders are always unsteady during
elections in order to "come in terms" with the public opinion which is
always unsteady. But I wouldn't say Mr.D has been so steady this year.

A lot of Turks are talking about the "deep state" as well.
Post by WolfWolf
Post by WolfWolf
Lets angree that we disangree on this one. We might both be right (or wrong)
you know. :-)
I have one reason why I define it as "political". The often mentioned ECHR ruling of
the Loizidiou case is, in my view, not consistent with the jurisprudence of other
similar cases. I think that the decision of the judges, which was not unanimous, was
influenced by political considerations.
Others may disagree.
I am among the "others". :-)
Post by WolfWolf
Post by WolfWolf
I we could achieve peace and eliminate chauvinism and hate in our country,
nothing will be impossible then.
Agreed.
Has there been any case of chauvinism and hate between those Cypriots who came
together after the opening of the Green Line?
No it hasn't. But what about those who didn't "come together"? Many people
from both sides I have been talking to, have big problems to let go of the
idea of "them and us" (meaning t/c's and g/c's) and see the future of Cyprus
as Cypriots. My opinion is that the main reason for most of our problems is
our inability to do just that. If we where able to see it in a different way
and erase the "green line" from our minds and our way of thinking then we
might reunite Cyprus as well, maybe, just maybe.
Post by WolfWolf
There's a Turkish proverb: "Today's hope is tomorrow's certainty."
Nice one indid. (Depending of the "hope" that is). I, for example, do not
share Denktash's hopes. :-))
Agamemnon
2003-08-15 06:42:14 UTC
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Post by WolfWolf
Post by WolfWolf
Post by WolfWolf
I we could achieve peace and eliminate chauvinism and hate in our
country,
Post by WolfWolf
Post by WolfWolf
nothing will be impossible then.
Agreed.
Has there been any case of chauvinism and hate between those Cypriots
who
Post by WolfWolf
came
Post by WolfWolf
together after the opening of the Green Line?
No it hasn't. But what about those who didn't "come together"? Many people
from both sides I have been talking to, have big problems to let go of the
idea of "them and us" (meaning t/c's and g/c's) and see the future of Cyprus
as Cypriots. My opinion is that the main reason for most of our problems is
our inability to do just that. If we where able to see it in a different way
and erase the "green line" from our minds and our way of thinking then we
might reunite Cyprus as well, maybe, just maybe.
YOU FLAMING BRAINWASHED IGNORAMUS.

Who is it that is preventing the refugees from retuning to their homes. The
GENOCIDAL TURKISH FORCES and them alone not any of the Cypriot communities.
Remove the ILLEGAL TURKISH TROOPS and the ILLEGAL TURKISH COLONISTS in
compliance with the resolutions of the UN Security Council and the problem
is solved.

Turkey MUST be PUNISHED for its SAVAGE AND BARBARIC CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY
like Iraq and punished so that it really hurts so that there can be JUSTICE
for its INNOCENT VICTIMS consisting of ALL of Cyprus's communities and so
that its can NEVER perpetrate these horrendous acts ever again.

http://www.agamemnon.dabsol.co.uk/humanrig.htm
Paris Kokkinos
2003-08-15 08:29:52 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Who is it that is preventing the refugees from retuning to their homes.
YOU and others like you (from both sides and Turkey's deep state). Your way
of thinking and acting gives Turkey and its army the reason they need to
prolong their occupation of our country, by claiming protection of t/c's
from people like you. Look at your previous postings about Christians and
Muslims, ethnic origins etc etc. Always dividing our people and our country
based on those ideas. Cyprus is their country as well as ours. People like
you are those who betray Cyprus and Democracy.

I seek the unification of our people as Cypriots and I don't accept any
division based on religion and or ethnic origins.
Post by Agamemnon
The
GENOCIDAL TURKISH FORCES and them alone not any of the Cypriot
communities.
Post by Agamemnon
Remove the ILLEGAL TURKISH TROOPS and the ILLEGAL TURKISH COLONISTS in
compliance with the resolutions of the UN Security Council and the problem
is solved.
Turkey MUST be PUNISHED for its SAVAGE AND BARBARIC CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY
like Iraq and punished so that it really hurts so that there can be JUSTICE
for its INNOCENT VICTIMS consisting of ALL of Cyprus's communities and so
that its can NEVER perpetrate these horrendous acts ever again.
Agamemnon
2003-08-15 09:30:08 UTC
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Post by Paris Kokkinos
Post by Agamemnon
Who is it that is preventing the refugees from retuning to their homes.
YOU and others like you (from both sides and Turkey's deep state). Your way
of thinking and acting gives Turkey and its army the reason they need to
prolong their occupation of our country, by claiming protection of t/c's
from people like you. Look at your previous postings about Christians and
Muslims, ethnic origins etc etc. Always dividing our people and our country
based on those ideas. Cyprus is their country as well as ours. People like
you are those who betray Cyprus and Democracy.
GET AN EDUCATION YOU IGNORANT FOOL !

Learn where the Muslim Cypriots really came form.

http://www,greece.org/cyprus/TCHistory.htm

Learn about Turkeys history of SYSTEMATIC GENOCIDE of Christians including
Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians and you will see that what happened in
Cyprus is a continuation of that GENOCIDE.

http://www.greece.org/genocide/

Also take a look at what the Turks did to the Balkans

http://slobodnasrpska.org/en/prevare/islam.html

http://www.geocities.com/umaximov/moore.htm

Dont talk to me about people not getting on with each other. What Turkey did
against the Greeks of Asia Minor and the Assyrians and Armenians and the
people of Cyprus was an INEXCUSABLE DELIBERATE PREMEDITATED HOLOCAUST that
will NEVER be forgotten by the decedents of its VICTIMS and will NEVER be
allowed to be forgotten by the Turks, not people not getting along with each
other. Turkey has an unparalleled and unenviable record of MASS GENOCIDE.

HOW DARE YOU try to insinuate by your DERANGED ramblings that the victims of
these HOLOCAUSTS brought it on to themselves because they did not accept the
SAVAGE RAPE and TORTURE and DEGRADING TREATMENT inflicted on them by the
barbaric occupiers of their land including the institutionalised abduction
of their childern.

Until Turkey comes to terms with its history of SAVAGE BARBARISM that dates
back to Ottoman times it will NEVER be accepted as part of the civilised
world. Turkey must recognise its crimes against humanity and make
reparations and accept its PUNISHMENT like Germany did after WW2. Only then
will its atrocities stop.

Neither Greece or Cyprus or any other of Turkeys VICTIMS are at fault. It is
ONLY TURKEY which is at fault and TURKEY alone which must bare the guilt.
Post by Paris Kokkinos
I seek the unification of our people as Cypriots and I don't accept any
division based on religion and or ethnic origins.
YOU ARE AN IGNORANT IMBECACILE.

It is apathetic brainwashed self loathing idiots like you who are preventing
the people of Cyprus for getting the JUSTICE they deserve. HOW DARE YOU try
to compromise that JUSTICE.
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Post by Agamemnon
The
GENOCIDAL TURKISH FORCES and them alone not any of the Cypriot
communities.
Post by Agamemnon
Remove the ILLEGAL TURKISH TROOPS and the ILLEGAL TURKISH COLONISTS in
compliance with the resolutions of the UN Security Council and the problem
is solved.
Turkey MUST be PUNISHED for its SAVAGE AND BARBARIC CRIMES AGAINST
HUMANITY
Post by Agamemnon
like Iraq and punished so that it really hurts so that there can be
JUSTICE
Post by Agamemnon
for its INNOCENT VICTIMS consisting of ALL of Cyprus's communities and so
that its can NEVER perpetrate these horrendous acts ever again.
MIchael
2003-08-15 12:28:07 UTC
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Their's a very simple solution for your problem you know.
Start a war against all Turks for what their forfathers did. After you
eliminate them all, go after the Germans, the Italians, the French the
British, the Greeks the Rusians, the Americans and so on. Search all
history
books and panish them all. After you are done, come back and we'll talk
again.
Let him Demand Justice, its been 30 years now with none, in another 30 years
it will be the same unless people move on, he forgets the crusades, in the
name of god how many people where killed/Murdered, the Spanish where very
barbaric, so were is the justice for that, there was none and never will be
for the past, should the Inca Descendants demand Justice for Genocide done
thousands of years ago ?.

its called moving on and he cannot, he said you have been brain washed, I
wonder who is brain washed here.

Genocide payback is not and will never be possible, you can never payback
death & murder, not unless we are talking about an Eye for an Eye, that
would also mean Genocide.

Justice for Cyprus is Understanding and Uniting Cyprus again in peace,
Justice for Cyprus is to never allow it to happen again.

I have to say reading Agamemnon posts makes me think how could anyone expect
a united Cyprus if people after 30 years still say and think sick things
like he does, thank god they are only a minority and will be pushed aside
once the Cyprus People become one again.

the day is coming and when it does, lets see his posts.

my worry is that somehow they will keep prolong the Greenline for there own
gain.

a Decendent should not have to pay for something there family did 30 years
ago, as you can never get the people that did it then you must move on.

the Courts say this and that about the past, but in reallity nothing changes
unless the people want it to change.
Roman
2003-08-15 13:15:54 UTC
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Post by MIchael
Let him Demand Justice, its been 30 years now with none, in another 30
years it will be the same unless people move on, he forgets the crusades,
in the name of god how many people where killed/Murdered, the Spanish where
very barbaric, so were is the justice for that, there was none and never
will be for the past, should the Inca Descendants demand Justice for
Genocide done thousands of years ago ?.
Who would argue like you do? Obviously someone with a genocide history in
the background. For instance a turk. Don't prescribe to victims of
genocides and their descendants how they should react, or pardon, or forget
the turks atrocities. The turks' character can be very clearly seen in
these groups. It shows they have not improved a bit over the centuries.
Forgetting about their characteristics only invites the next genocide.
Look, how they treat the Kurds and minorities!!

Roman
MIchael
2003-08-15 14:46:22 UTC
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Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
Let him Demand Justice, its been 30 years now with none, in another 30
years it will be the same unless people move on, he forgets the crusades,
in the name of god how many people where killed/Murdered, the Spanish where
very barbaric, so were is the justice for that, there was none and never
will be for the past, should the Inca Descendants demand Justice for
Genocide done thousands of years ago ?.
Who would argue like you do? Obviously someone with a genocide history in
the background. For instance a turk. Don't prescribe to victims of
genocides and their descendants how they should react, or pardon, or forget
the turks atrocities. The turks' character can be very clearly seen in
these groups. It shows they have not improved a bit over the centuries.
Forgetting about their characteristics only invites the next genocide.
Look, how they treat the Kurds and minorities!!
No, answer me if you can, its really that simple, Genocide can never be paid
back, its just not possible with out killing innocent people, that would put
us in the same boat as the rest, what is demanded here is revenge, lets just
say you get it, now the descendants who you take out your revenge on will
demand there revenge and so on, in the end it has to stop.

Its just not worth it, move on with life not death and Hatred
.
Roman
2003-08-15 18:00:07 UTC
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Post by MIchael
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
Let him Demand Justice, its been 30 years now with none, in another 30 years
it will be the same unless people move on, he forgets the
crusades,
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
in the name of god how many people where killed/Murdered, the Spanish
where
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
very barbaric, so were is the justice for that, there was none and never
will be for the past, should the Inca Descendants demand Justice for
Genocide done thousands of years ago ?.
Who would argue like you do? Obviously someone with a genocide history in
the background. For instance a turk. Don't prescribe to victims of
genocides and their descendants how they should react, or pardon, or
forget
Post by Roman
the turks atrocities. The turks' character can be very clearly seen in these
groups. It shows they have not improved a bit over the centuries.
Forgetting about their characteristics only invites the next genocide.
Look, how they treat the Kurds and minorities!!
No, answer me if you can, its really that simple, Genocide can never be
paid back, its just not possible with out killing innocent people, that
would put us in the same boat as the rest, what is demanded here is
revenge, lets just say you get it, now the descendants who you take out
your revenge on will demand there revenge and so on, in the end it has to
stop.
Its just not worth it, move on with life not death and Hatred .
You're completely amiss,

these creeps keep denying their crimes. Even if a genocide can never be
paid back, yet it can be acknowledged, repentance can be done and even some
form of reparation. As long as this does not happen the turds can't learn
from their past and will repeat what they've done. It has something to do
with acknowledging the truth. If you want to pardon them their crimes
that's your personal thing, go ahead. The denial of a crime is the
repetition of the crime and an insult to its victims and their descendants.
So stop prescribing to authentic victims your desire for pardon!

Roman
MIchael
2003-08-15 18:42:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
Let him Demand Justice, its been 30 years now with none, in another 30 years
it will be the same unless people move on, he forgets the
crusades,
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
in the name of god how many people where killed/Murdered, the Spanish
where
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
very barbaric, so were is the justice for that, there was none and never
will be for the past, should the Inca Descendants demand Justice for
Genocide done thousands of years ago ?.
Who would argue like you do? Obviously someone with a genocide history in
the background. For instance a turk. Don't prescribe to victims of
genocides and their descendants how they should react, or pardon, or
forget
Post by Roman
the turks atrocities. The turks' character can be very clearly seen in these
groups. It shows they have not improved a bit over the centuries.
Forgetting about their characteristics only invites the next genocide.
Look, how they treat the Kurds and minorities!!
No, answer me if you can, its really that simple, Genocide can never be
paid back, its just not possible with out killing innocent people, that
would put us in the same boat as the rest, what is demanded here is
revenge, lets just say you get it, now the descendants who you take out
your revenge on will demand there revenge and so on, in the end it has to
stop.
Its just not worth it, move on with life not death and Hatred .
You're completely amiss,
these creeps keep denying their crimes. Even if a genocide can never be
paid back, yet it can be acknowledged, repentance can be done and even some
form of reparation. As long as this does not happen the turds can't learn
from their past and will repeat what they've done. It has something to do
with acknowledging the truth. If you want to pardon them their crimes
that's your personal thing, go ahead. The denial of a crime is the
repetition of the crime and an insult to its victims and their
descendants.
Post by Roman
So stop prescribing to authentic victims your desire for pardon!
its not just the Turks that are not repentance, its not just the Turks that
have blood on there hands, but my post is in response to posts that are
demanding death and destruction of a nation, that is not Justise but
Revenge.
Paris Kokkinos
2003-08-15 20:21:51 UTC
Permalink
Believe you me Crypto-Turk you are #1 on my list I'll bet you'll make
nice lamp shades or a few bars of soap.
Thanks for the entertainment
ecawt85112968/51703
I hope you are aware of what you just did.

You've made a threat in public to kill Michael. Please note that in almost
all European countries this action can put you behind bars for a long time.
If Michael goes to the police with a copy of your mail, it wouldn't take
long before they come knocking at your door.

I suggest you withdraw your thread and apologize before its too late.
Roman
2003-08-15 20:47:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Believe you me Crypto-Turk you are #1 on my list I'll bet you'll make
nice lamp shades or a few bars of soap.
Thanks for the entertainment
ecawt85112968/51703
I hope you are aware of what you just did.
You've made a threat in public to kill Michael. Please note that in almost
all European countries this action can put you behind bars for a long time.
If Michael goes to the police with a copy of your mail, it wouldn't take
long before they come knocking at your door.
I suggest you withdraw your thread and apologize before its too late.
Stop playing the silly,

if you argue like that then most turds in these groups would long have been
put in jail for insults, threats of killing and massacring of posters and
their relatives, sexual threats, the vilest defamations. Stupid, dumb,
helpless threats by the turds are actually the rule around here. Why don't
you comment on this? Hah? Jason's remark was actually quite poetic compared
to any turd's post!

Roman
MIchael
2003-08-15 23:51:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roman
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Believe you me Crypto-Turk you are #1 on my list I'll bet you'll make
nice lamp shades or a few bars of soap.
Thanks for the entertainment
ecawt85112968/51703
I hope you are aware of what you just did.
You've made a threat in public to kill Michael. Please note that in almost
all European countries this action can put you behind bars for a long time.
If Michael goes to the police with a copy of your mail, it wouldn't take
long before they come knocking at your door.
I suggest you withdraw your thread and apologize before its too late.
Stop playing the silly,
it is a threat and you know it.
Post by Roman
if you argue like that then most turds in these groups would long have been
put in jail for insults, threats of killing and massacring of posters and
their relatives, sexual threats, the vilest defamations. Stupid, dumb,
helpless threats by the turds are actually the rule around here. Why don't
you comment on this? Hah? Jason's remark was actually quite poetic compared
to any turd's post!
so what are you saying, that his threat is ok & you support it ?

is this what you call Democratic & Free Speech or only for you and Jason ?

I have taken the threat totally Serious and have taken steps and contacted
the NY Police and the UK Police about his threat, like it or not that's
life, if he did not mean to post a threat its upto him to post and explain
himself, he will have to explain to the police in the end, other then that I
think its best left to the police to deal with his threat.
Roman
2003-08-16 01:39:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by MIchael
so what are you saying, that his threat is ok & you support it ?
is this what you call Democratic & Free Speech or only for you and Jason ?
I have taken the threat totally Serious and have taken steps and contacted
the NY Police and the UK Police about his threat, like it or not that's
life, if he did not mean to post a threat its upto him to post and explain
himself, he will have to explain to the police in the end, other then that I
think its best left to the police to deal with his threat.
He, he... well I knew you were an idiot, and a turd, to top it all!

Roman
MIchael
2003-08-16 13:36:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
so what are you saying, that his threat is ok & you support it ?
is this what you call Democratic & Free Speech or only for you and Jason ?
I have taken the threat totally Serious and have taken steps and contacted
the NY Police and the UK Police about his threat, like it or not that's
life, if he did not mean to post a threat its upto him to post and explain
himself, he will have to explain to the police in the end, other then that I
think its best left to the police to deal with his threat.
He, he... well I knew you were an idiot, and a turd, to top it all!
if you say so.
Dorian West
2003-08-16 05:59:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Post by Roman
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Believe you me Crypto-Turk you are #1 on my list I'll bet you'll make
nice lamp shades or a few bars of soap.
Thanks for the entertainment
ecawt85112968/51703
I hope you are aware of what you just did.
You've made a threat in public to kill Michael. Please note that in
almost
Post by Roman
Post by Paris Kokkinos
all European countries this action can put you behind bars for a long
time.
Post by Roman
Post by Paris Kokkinos
If Michael goes to the police with a copy of your mail, it wouldn't take
long before they come knocking at your door.
I suggest you withdraw your thread and apologize before its too late.
Stop playing the silly,
it is a threat and you know it.
Post by Roman
if you argue like that then most turds in these groups would long have
been
Post by Roman
put in jail for insults, threats of killing and massacring of posters and
their relatives, sexual threats, the vilest defamations. Stupid, dumb,
helpless threats by the turds are actually the rule around here. Why don't
you comment on this? Hah? Jason's remark was actually quite poetic
compared
Post by Roman
to any turd's post!
so what are you saying, that his threat is ok & you support it ?
is this what you call Democratic & Free Speech or only for you and Jason ?
I have taken the threat totally Serious and have taken steps and contacted
the NY Police and the UK Police about his threat, like it or not that's
life, if he did not mean to post a threat its upto him to post and explain
himself, he will have to explain to the police in the end, other then that I
think its best left to the police to deal with his threat.
Shut up you faggot! There was no threat at all. He just wanted to see you
making soap and lamp shades, in other words, a hard day's work for a hard
day's pay.
MIchael
2003-08-16 13:37:18 UTC
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Post by Dorian West
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Post by Roman
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Believe you me Crypto-Turk you are #1 on my list I'll bet you'll
make
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Post by Roman
Post by Paris Kokkinos
nice lamp shades or a few bars of soap.
Thanks for the entertainment
ecawt85112968/51703
I hope you are aware of what you just did.
You've made a threat in public to kill Michael. Please note that in
almost
Post by Roman
Post by Paris Kokkinos
all European countries this action can put you behind bars for a long
time.
Post by Roman
Post by Paris Kokkinos
If Michael goes to the police with a copy of your mail, it wouldn't
take
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Post by Roman
Post by Paris Kokkinos
long before they come knocking at your door.
I suggest you withdraw your thread and apologize before its too late.
Stop playing the silly,
it is a threat and you know it.
Post by Roman
if you argue like that then most turds in these groups would long have
been
Post by Roman
put in jail for insults, threats of killing and massacring of posters
and
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Post by Roman
their relatives, sexual threats, the vilest defamations. Stupid, dumb,
helpless threats by the turds are actually the rule around here. Why
don't
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Post by Roman
you comment on this? Hah? Jason's remark was actually quite poetic
compared
Post by Roman
to any turd's post!
so what are you saying, that his threat is ok & you support it ?
is this what you call Democratic & Free Speech or only for you and Jason ?
I have taken the threat totally Serious and have taken steps and contacted
the NY Police and the UK Police about his threat, like it or not that's
life, if he did not mean to post a threat its upto him to post and explain
himself, he will have to explain to the police in the end, other then
that
Post by Dorian West
I
Post by Paris Kokkinos
think its best left to the police to deal with his threat.
Shut up you faggot! There was no threat at all. He just wanted to see you
making soap and lamp shades, in other words, a hard day's work for a hard
day's pay.
Dorian.. Grow up...

maybe if you would reply with something worth reading people would be nice
to you.
Jason Lambrou
2003-08-15 22:57:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Believe you me Crypto-Turk you are #1 on my list I'll bet you'll make
nice lamp shades or a few bars of soap.
Thanks for the entertainment
ecawt85112968/51703
I hope you are aware of what you just did.
You've made a threat in public to kill Michael. Please note that in almost
all European countries this action can put you behind bars for a long time.
If Michael goes to the police with a copy of your mail, it wouldn't take
long before they come knocking at your door.
I suggest you withdraw your thread and apologize before its too late.
Why don't you come yourself and knock on my door.You have the balls to
use a Greek name
you filthy clown.

Hope you knees hurt next time you visit the mosque
ecawt85112968/51703
MIchael
2003-08-15 23:46:50 UTC
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Post by Paris Kokkinos
Believe you me Crypto-Turk you are #1 on my list I'll bet you'll make
nice lamp shades or a few bars of soap.
Thanks for the entertainment
ecawt85112968/51703
I hope you are aware of what you just did.
You've made a threat in public to kill Michael. Please note that in almost
all European countries this action can put you behind bars for a long time.
If Michael goes to the police with a copy of your mail, it wouldn't take
long before they come knocking at your door.
I suggest you withdraw your thread and apologize before its too late.
I cannot reply to him as I have now passed this post on to the Police in NY

this just shows the level some will go to just so they can Win, is this
Democratic or what ?
Dorian West
2003-08-16 05:57:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roman
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
Let him Demand Justice, its been 30 years now with none, in another 30
years
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
it will be the same unless people move on, he forgets the
crusades,
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
in the name of god how many people where killed/Murdered, the Spanish
where
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
very barbaric, so were is the justice for that, there was none and
never
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
will be for the past, should the Inca Descendants demand Justice for
Genocide done thousands of years ago ?.
Who would argue like you do? Obviously someone with a genocide
history
Post by Roman
in
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
Post by Roman
the background. For instance a turk. Don't prescribe to victims of
genocides and their descendants how they should react, or pardon, or
forget
Post by Roman
the turks atrocities. The turks' character can be very clearly seen in
these
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
Post by Roman
groups. It shows they have not improved a bit over the centuries.
Forgetting about their characteristics only invites the next genocide.
Look, how they treat the Kurds and minorities!!
No, answer me if you can, its really that simple, Genocide can never be
paid back, its just not possible with out killing innocent people, that
would put us in the same boat as the rest, what is demanded here is
revenge, lets just say you get it, now the descendants who you take out
your revenge on will demand there revenge and so on, in the end it has
to
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
stop.
Its just not worth it, move on with life not death and Hatred .
You're completely amiss,
these creeps keep denying their crimes. Even if a genocide can never be
paid back, yet it can be acknowledged, repentance can be done and even
some
Post by Roman
form of reparation. As long as this does not happen the turds can't learn
from their past and will repeat what they've done. It has something to do
with acknowledging the truth. If you want to pardon them their crimes
that's your personal thing, go ahead. The denial of a crime is the
repetition of the crime and an insult to its victims and their
descendants.
Post by Roman
So stop prescribing to authentic victims your desire for pardon!
its not just the Turks that are not repentance, its not just the Turks that
have blood on there hands, but my post is in response to posts that are
demanding death and destruction of a nation, that is not Justise but
Revenge.
The Greeks and Romans ruled over many races for over 2 millennia and I see
no cases of genocide, but with the Turks, in 5-600 years I see 2-3 cases of
genocide and mass murder of many varied civilian populations.

What is wanted is, as you say revenge, but complete and absolute so there
can be no reprisals - the destruction of the Turks as a viable race and
their expulsion back to cannibal Asia where they come from. It's already
proven they can't run a state along civilised lines. Without IMF and US and
Jewish support they would be worse off than the untouchables of India. Why
pour money into such a black hole? Why not destroy this black hole and give
the money to others more deserving?
Agamemnon
2003-08-15 22:13:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
Let him Demand Justice, its been 30 years now with none, in another 30 years
it will be the same unless people move on, he forgets the
crusades,
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
in the name of god how many people where killed/Murdered, the Spanish
where
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
very barbaric, so were is the justice for that, there was none and never
will be for the past, should the Inca Descendants demand Justice for
Genocide done thousands of years ago ?.
Who would argue like you do? Obviously someone with a genocide history in
the background. For instance a turk. Don't prescribe to victims of
genocides and their descendants how they should react, or pardon, or
forget
Post by Roman
the turks atrocities. The turks' character can be very clearly seen in these
groups. It shows they have not improved a bit over the centuries.
Forgetting about their characteristics only invites the next genocide.
Look, how they treat the Kurds and minorities!!
No, answer me if you can, its really that simple, Genocide can never be
paid back, its just not possible with out killing innocent people, that
would put us in the same boat as the rest, what is demanded here is
revenge, lets just say you get it, now the descendants who you take out
your revenge on will demand there revenge and so on, in the end it has to
stop.
Its just not worth it, move on with life not death and Hatred .
You're completely amiss,
these creeps keep denying their crimes. Even if a genocide can never be
paid back, yet it can be acknowledged, repentance can be done and even some
form of reparation. As long as this does not happen the turds can't learn
MIchael and ther others like him know nothing of the meaning of repentance
or reparation because neither is part of their Islamic moral code and cant
be because their false prophet never sought forgiveness or penance for the
murders he perpetrated and the sins he committed and neither did their
founder Mustafa Kemal. How can you expect them to be civilised when they
consider a common bandit as the perfect man in whose footsteps they should
follow
Post by Roman
from their past and will repeat what they've done. It has something to do
with acknowledging the truth. If you want to pardon them their crimes
Acknowledging the truth is beyond their moral understanding.
Post by Roman
that's your personal thing, go ahead. The denial of a crime is the
repetition of the crime and an insult to its victims and their
descendants.
Post by Roman
So stop prescribing to authentic victims your desire for pardon!
Roman
Roman
2003-08-15 23:14:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Agamemnon
MIchael and ther others like him know nothing of the meaning of repentance
or reparation because neither is part of their Islamic moral code and cant
be because their false prophet never sought forgiveness or penance for the
murders he perpetrated and the sins he committed and neither did their
founder Mustafa Kemal. How can you expect them to be civilised when they
consider a common bandit as the perfect man in whose footsteps they should
follow
Very interesting points!
Post by Agamemnon
Acknowledging the truth is beyond their moral understanding.
Obviously! What will happen to them when truth wins out in the event? And
it will! They must be considered some lower form of humans. Wouldn't want
to be in their stinking turdish shoes then!

Roman
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
2003-08-16 02:39:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
Let him Demand Justice, its been 30 years now with none, in another 30 years
it will be the same unless people move on, he forgets the
crusades,
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
in the name of god how many people where killed/Murdered, the Spanish
where
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
very barbaric, so were is the justice for that, there was none and never
will be for the past, should the Inca Descendants demand Justice for
Genocide done thousands of years ago ?.
Who would argue like you do? Obviously someone with a genocide history in
the background. For instance a turk. Don't prescribe to victims of
genocides and their descendants how they should react, or pardon, or
forget
Post by Roman
the turks atrocities. The turks' character can be very clearly seen in these
groups. It shows they have not improved a bit over the centuries.
Forgetting about their characteristics only invites the next genocide.
Look, how they treat the Kurds and minorities!!
No, answer me if you can, its really that simple, Genocide can never be
paid back, its just not possible with out killing innocent people, that
would put us in the same boat as the rest, what is demanded here is
revenge, lets just say you get it, now the descendants who you take out
your revenge on will demand there revenge and so on, in the end it has to
stop.
Its just not worth it, move on with life not death and Hatred .
You're completely amiss,
these creeps keep denying their crimes. Even if a genocide can never be
paid back, yet it can be acknowledged, repentance can be done and even some
form of reparation. As long as this does not happen the turds can't learn
from their past and will repeat what they've done.
Your mind is completely amiss Romanazi

You appear to live in the very early 20th century just as most people are
waking up to the 21st
Agamemnon
2003-08-15 22:05:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by MIchael
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
Let him Demand Justice, its been 30 years now with none, in another 30
years it will be the same unless people move on, he forgets the
crusades,
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
in the name of god how many people where killed/Murdered, the Spanish
where
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
very barbaric, so were is the justice for that, there was none and never
will be for the past, should the Inca Descendants demand Justice for
Genocide done thousands of years ago ?.
Who would argue like you do? Obviously someone with a genocide history in
the background. For instance a turk. Don't prescribe to victims of
genocides and their descendants how they should react, or pardon, or
forget
Post by Roman
the turks atrocities. The turks' character can be very clearly seen in
these groups. It shows they have not improved a bit over the centuries.
Forgetting about their characteristics only invites the next genocide.
Look, how they treat the Kurds and minorities!!
No, answer me if you can, its really that simple, Genocide can never be paid
back, its just not possible with out killing innocent people, that would put
us in the same boat as the rest, what is demanded here is revenge, lets just
say you get it, now the descendants who you take out your revenge on will
demand there revenge and so on, in the end it has to stop.
Its just not worth it, move on with life not death and Hatred
.
Do you really think that civilised people think like you do, about killing
and revenge. No wonder your nation and the people who follow your realign
are guilty of the most numerous savage and barbaric genocides perpetrated in
history. You are no Christian.

The Germans paid back for the genocide they perpetrated again the Jews by
being forced to pay repartitions and being humiliated into having to
recognise and educate their decedents of the atrocities they perpetrated.
And the Turks will pay the same price.

Untill you recognise and condemn the SAVAGE BARBARISM of your ancestors and
your despotic ruler who inflicted nothing but suffering including your
sultans and Mustafa Kemal and the racist undemocratic militaristic fascist
state the created through the perpetration of genocide, and also denounce
them and the sins of your false prophet Mohammed who you should equally
despise for their immorality and inhumanity you will never be part of the
civilised world.

If you continue to think like some in human life form that lives in the dark
ages where you will stay.
MIchael
2003-08-15 23:44:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Agamemnon
Post by MIchael
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
Let him Demand Justice, its been 30 years now with none, in another 30
years it will be the same unless people move on, he forgets the
crusades,
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
in the name of god how many people where killed/Murdered, the Spanish
where
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
very barbaric, so were is the justice for that, there was none and
never
Post by MIchael
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
will be for the past, should the Inca Descendants demand Justice for
Genocide done thousands of years ago ?.
Who would argue like you do? Obviously someone with a genocide history
in
Post by MIchael
Post by Roman
the background. For instance a turk. Don't prescribe to victims of
genocides and their descendants how they should react, or pardon, or
forget
Post by Roman
the turks atrocities. The turks' character can be very clearly seen in
these groups. It shows they have not improved a bit over the centuries.
Forgetting about their characteristics only invites the next genocide.
Look, how they treat the Kurds and minorities!!
No, answer me if you can, its really that simple, Genocide can never be
paid
Post by MIchael
back, its just not possible with out killing innocent people, that would
put
Post by MIchael
us in the same boat as the rest, what is demanded here is revenge, lets
just
Post by MIchael
say you get it, now the descendants who you take out your revenge on will
demand there revenge and so on, in the end it has to stop.
Its just not worth it, move on with life not death and Hatred
.
Do you really think that civilised people think like you do, about killing
and revenge. No wonder your nation and the people who follow your realign
are guilty of the most numerous savage and barbaric genocides perpetrated in
history. You are no Christian.
My Nation yes is Guilty of Genocide, as is nearly every country in the world
including Greece and Turkey, my Country is England, and yes they have done
some very Bad things in the past, but then again its the past and its not
for me to payback for there wrong doing.
Post by Agamemnon
The Germans paid back for the genocide they perpetrated again the Jews by
being forced to pay repartitions and being humiliated into having to
recognise and educate their decedents of the atrocities they perpetrated.
do you really think paying repartition is going to make up for so many
deaths in WW2 ?, nothing on earth can pay anyone back for what the germans
did, and what they did is in the past, its not the germans of now that did
it and its not for them to payback for the crimes there fathers did.
Post by Agamemnon
And the Turks will pay the same price.
there is no way on earth its going to happen, does not mean they should not,
it just means its not going to happen, you can spend the rest of your life
demanding this but its just never going to happen.
Post by Agamemnon
Untill you recognise and condemn the SAVAGE BARBARISM of your ancestors and
your despotic ruler who inflicted nothing but suffering including your
sultans and Mustafa Kemal and the racist undemocratic militaristic fascist
state the created through the perpetration of genocide, and also denounce
them and the sins of your false prophet Mohammed who you should equally
despise for their immorality and inhumanity you will never be part of the
civilised world.
Turkey has nothing what ever to do with me, i was not born there but in
England, Mohammed or Mustafe Kemal is also nothing to do with me, Bacon is
my Fav :-)
Post by Agamemnon
If you continue to think like some in human life form that lives in the dark
ages where you will stay.
in the dark, who is in the Dark with remarks like you post, your the one
demanding Revenge, i am Demanding Peace.
Roman
2003-08-16 01:39:35 UTC
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Post by MIchael
Turkey has nothing what ever to do with me, i was not born there but in
England, Mohammed or Mustafe Kemal is also nothing to do with me, Bacon is
my Fav :-)
Post by Agamemnon
If you continue to think like some in human life form that lives in the
dark
Post by Agamemnon
ages where you will stay.
in the dark, who is in the Dark with remarks like you post, your the one
demanding Revenge, i am Demanding Peace.
Wow, again no turk! For someone born in Britain your English sounds really
weird. We got the same phenomenon here in Germany. Turds are so dumb that
even when they are born here they still can't master the language properly.
MIchael
2003-08-16 13:26:52 UTC
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Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
Turkey has nothing what ever to do with me, i was not born there but in
England, Mohammed or Mustafe Kemal is also nothing to do with me, Bacon is
my Fav :-)
Post by Agamemnon
If you continue to think like some in human life form that lives in the
dark
Post by Agamemnon
ages where you will stay.
in the dark, who is in the Dark with remarks like you post, your the one
demanding Revenge, i am Demanding Peace.
Wow, again no turk! For someone born in Britain your English sounds really
weird. We got the same phenomenon here in Germany. Turds are so dumb that
even when they are born here they still can't master the language properly.
really... well i dont speak turkish and never have..
Jason Lambrou
2003-08-16 14:46:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roman
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
Turkey has nothing what ever to do with me, i was not born there but in
England, Mohammed or Mustafe Kemal is also nothing to do with me, Bacon
is
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
my Fav :-)
Post by Agamemnon
If you continue to think like some in human life form that lives in the
dark
Post by Agamemnon
ages where you will stay.
in the dark, who is in the Dark with remarks like you post, your the one
demanding Revenge, i am Demanding Peace.
Wow, again no turk! For someone born in Britain your English sounds really
weird. We got the same phenomenon here in Germany. Turds are so dumb that
even when they are born here they still can't master the language
properly.
really... well i dont speak turkish and never have..
You can't speak English either Hasan

Thanks for the entertainment
ecawt85112968/51703
Roman
2003-08-17 21:00:39 UTC
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Post by WolfWolf
Post by Jason Lambrou
Post by Roman
Post by Roman
Wow, again no turk! For someone born in Britain your English sounds
really
Post by Jason Lambrou
Post by Roman
Post by Roman
weird. We got the same phenomenon here in Germany. Turds are so dumb
that
Post by Jason Lambrou
Post by Roman
Post by Roman
even when they are born here they still can't master the language
properly.
really... well i dont speak turkish and never have..
You can't speak English either Hasan
if you say so
...not him, your English itself says so! <G>
WolfWolf
2003-08-16 20:03:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roman
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
Turkey has nothing what ever to do with me, i was not born there but in
England, Mohammed or Mustafe Kemal is also nothing to do with me, Bacon
is
Post by Roman
Post by MIchael
my Fav :-)
Post by Agamemnon
If you continue to think like some in human life form that lives in the
dark
Post by Agamemnon
ages where you will stay.
in the dark, who is in the Dark with remarks like you post, your the one
demanding Revenge, i am Demanding Peace.
Wow, again no turk! For someone born in Britain your English sounds really
weird. We got the same phenomenon here in Germany. Turds are so dumb that
even when they are born here they still can't master the language
properly.
really... well i dont speak turkish and never have..
Michael, the phenomenon which the RomaNazi tries to describe is that he's so ugly and
deterrent that people forget their own language when facing him.

WolfWolf
The European
Paris Kokkinos
2003-08-15 14:11:57 UTC
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Post by MIchael
its called moving on and he cannot, he said you have been brain washed, I
wonder who is brain washed here.
Not hard to understand is it? :-))

Yes we went through many attempts for brainwashing back in the 60's and
70's. In schools and churches and mostly during the Greek Junta. When we
realized what was going on it was too late. I lost members of my family
during the cup and the invasion and all our property as well. Agamemnon & Co
represent nothing else than the TMT, EOKA-B and the Greek Junta.

As you can see he talks exactly like Denktash (only the other way around
that is). It wouldn't surplice me at all to find out that in reality he is
working for Tanitma Diairesi. :-))
MIchael
2003-08-15 14:51:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paris Kokkinos
Post by MIchael
its called moving on and he cannot, he said you have been brain washed, I
wonder who is brain washed here.
Not hard to understand is it? :-))
Yes we went through many attempts for brainwashing back in the 60's and
70's. In schools and churches and mostly during the Greek Junta. When we
realized what was going on it was too late. I lost members of my family
during the cup and the invasion and all our property as well. Agamemnon & Co
represent nothing else than the TMT, EOKA-B and the Greek Junta.
As you can see he talks exactly like Denktash (only the other way around
that is). It wouldn't surplice me at all to find out that in reality he is
working for Tanitma Diairesi. :-))
Not many will openly admit what you have, i do think that TMT & EOKA-B are
still around and until the people open up and openly show them that they are
no longer wanted anymore it will go on.

in the NG all i ever read is

Turk hates Greek
Greek Hates Turk
Kill Greek
Kill Turk

its like a TMT & EOKA-B War of words.

In England i have never read anywhere of any problems with Greeks or Turks
living together over here and i know the Cypriots over here are just fine
together.
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
2003-08-16 02:37:05 UTC
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Post by defaultnot
Their's a very simple solution for your problem you know.
Start a war against all Turks for what their forfathers did. After you
eliminate them all, go after the Germans, the Italians, the French the
British, the Greeks the Rusians, the Americans and so on. Search all
history
books and panish them all. After you are done, come back and we'll talk
again.
Let him Demand Justice, its been 30 years now with none, in another 30 years
it will be the same unless people move on, he forgets the crusades, in the
name of god how many people where killed/Murdered, the Spanish where very
barbaric, so were is the justice for that, there was none and never will be
for the past, should the Inca Descendants demand Justice for Genocide done
thousands of years ago ?.
its called moving on and he cannot, he said you have been brain washed, I
wonder who is brain washed here.
Genocide payback is not and will never be possible, you can never payback
death & murder, not unless we are talking about an Eye for an Eye, that
would also mean Genocide.
Justice for Cyprus is Understanding and Uniting Cyprus again in peace,
Justice for Cyprus is to never allow it to happen again.
I have to say reading Agamemnon posts makes me think how could anyone expect
a united Cyprus if people after 30 years still say and think sick things
like he does, thank god they are only a minority and will be pushed aside
once the Cyprus People become one again.
the day is coming and when it does, lets see his posts.
my worry is that somehow they will keep prolong the Greenline for there own
gain.
a Decendent should not have to pay for something there family did 30 years
ago, as you can never get the people that did it then you must move on.
the Courts say this and that about the past, but in reallity nothing changes
unless the people want it to change.
I reckon if Phagamemnon Argyros G Argyrou ever walks onto Cypriot soil he
will be arrested
Jason Lambrou
2003-08-16 02:50:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by defaultnot
Post by defaultnot
Their's a very simple solution for your problem you know.
Start a war against all Turks for what their forfathers did. After you
eliminate them all, go after the Germans, the Italians, the French the
British, the Greeks the Rusians, the Americans and so on. Search all
history
books and panish them all. After you are done, come back and we'll talk
again.
Let him Demand Justice, its been 30 years now with none, in another 30
years
Post by defaultnot
it will be the same unless people move on, he forgets the crusades, in the
name of god how many people where killed/Murdered, the Spanish where very
barbaric, so were is the justice for that, there was none and never will
be
Post by defaultnot
for the past, should the Inca Descendants demand Justice for Genocide done
thousands of years ago ?.
its called moving on and he cannot, he said you have been brain washed, I
wonder who is brain washed here.
Genocide payback is not and will never be possible, you can never payback
death & murder, not unless we are talking about an Eye for an Eye, that
would also mean Genocide.
Justice for Cyprus is Understanding and Uniting Cyprus again in peace,
Justice for Cyprus is to never allow it to happen again.
I have to say reading Agamemnon posts makes me think how could anyone
expect
Post by defaultnot
a united Cyprus if people after 30 years still say and think sick things
like he does, thank god they are only a minority and will be pushed aside
once the Cyprus People become one again.
the day is coming and when it does, lets see his posts.
my worry is that somehow they will keep prolong the Greenline for there
own
Post by defaultnot
gain.
a Decendent should not have to pay for something there family did 30 years
ago, as you can never get the people that did it then you must move on.
the Courts say this and that about the past, but in reallity nothing
changes
Post by defaultnot
unless the people want it to change.
I reckon if Phagamemnon Argyros G Argyrou ever walks onto Cypriot soil he
will be arrested
Why don't you stop your idiotic comments king of the apes
Thanks for the entertainment and the stupid jokes
ecawt85112968/51703
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
2003-08-16 12:57:11 UTC
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"Yasonoglu Lambfukkeru" <***@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message news:***@nyc.rr.com...
Asks me
Post by Jason Lambrou
Why don't you stop your idiotic comments king of the apes
And then says
Post by Jason Lambrou
Thanks for the entertainment and the stupid jokes
ecawt85112968/51703
So he wants me to stop and he thanks me for not stopping ?

DEFINATELY one confused little gimp
Ali Asker
2003-08-15 15:24:36 UTC
Permalink
I want to point it out to you that turkish barbarism has not been
ended! Turkey still oppresses her own citizens because of their ethnic
backgrounds. Kurds specially have been affected by these barbarian
race. Last 15 years Turks have killed more than 50,000 ethnic Kurds in
front of the all western medias and they are still oppressing Kurds by
means of killing them, torturing them, banning their language and
culture. Missouri of the Turks that brought to lands that they occupy
has not been ended and until they accept the responsibility of these
atrocities misery will never end.
Their's a very simple solution for your problem you know.
Start a war against all Turks for what their forfathers did. After you
eliminate them all, go after the Germans, the Italians, the French the
British, the Greeks the Rusians, the Americans and so on. Search all history
books and panish them all. After you are done, come back and we'll talk
again.
Paris Kokkinos
2003-08-15 15:43:55 UTC
Permalink
No doubt about it. I know of those facts and I condemn them. On the other
hand I don't think that all Turks are alike. Killing people because of
ethnic origin won't solve any problem. On the contrary. It creates bigger
and worse problems. The solution for peace isn't war.
Post by Ali Asker
I want to point it out to you that turkish barbarism has not been
ended! Turkey still oppresses her own citizens because of their ethnic
backgrounds. Kurds specially have been affected by these barbarian
race. Last 15 years Turks have killed more than 50,000 ethnic Kurds in
front of the all western medias and they are still oppressing Kurds by
means of killing them, torturing them, banning their language and
culture. Missouri of the Turks that brought to lands that they occupy
has not been ended and until they accept the responsibility of these
atrocities misery will never end.
Their's a very simple solution for your problem you know.
Start a war against all Turks for what their forfathers did. After you
eliminate them all, go after the Germans, the Italians, the French the
British, the Greeks the Rusians, the Americans and so on. Search all history
books and panish them all. After you are done, come back and we'll talk
again.
Nicolas
2003-08-15 16:42:11 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:58:56 +0200, "Paris Kokkinos"
Their's a very simple solution for your problem you know.
Start a war against all Turks for what their forfathers did. After you
eliminate them all, go after the Germans, the Italians, the French the
British, the Greeks the Rusians, the Americans and so on. Search all history
books and panish them all. After you are done, come back and we'll talk
again.
How academic of you.
The fact of the matter is that no matter how you attempt to apply
moral equivalency to the *present* condition in N. Cuprus with what
happened in the rest of Europe decades ago, it doesn't cut it. Sorry.

Nicolas
Paris Kokkinos
2003-08-15 17:14:06 UTC
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Post by Nicolas
How academic of you.
The fact of the matter is that no matter how you attempt to apply
moral equivalency to the *present* condition in N. Cuprus with what
happened in the rest of Europe decades ago, it doesn't cut it. Sorry.
Any idea of when I attemt to do that?
WolfWolf
2003-08-16 00:32:22 UTC
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Post by Nicolas
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:58:56 +0200, "Paris Kokkinos"
Their's a very simple solution for your problem you know.
Start a war against all Turks for what their forfathers did. After you
eliminate them all, go after the Germans, the Italians, the French the
British, the Greeks the Rusians, the Americans and so on. Search all history
books and panish them all. After you are done, come back and we'll talk
again.
How academic of you.
The fact of the matter is that no matter how you attempt to apply
moral equivalency to the *present* condition in N. Cuprus with what
happened in the rest of Europe decades ago, it doesn't cut it. Sorry.
Nicolas
Nico, nice to see you talking moral!!
If you'd only apply it to yourself ...

WolfWolf
The European
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
2003-08-16 02:34:45 UTC
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GET AN EDUCATION YOU IGNORANT FOOL !>
http://www,greecie.org/cyprus/TCHistory.htm
Learn about Turkeys history of SYSTEMATIC GENOCIDE of Christians including
Cyprus is a continuation of that GENOCIDE.
http://www.greecie.org/pestocide/
Also take a look at what the Turks did to the Balkans
http://slobodnaMILOSEVICsrpska.org/en/prevare/islam.html
http://www.geoshities.com/umaximov/moore.htm
people of Cyprus was an INEXCUSABLE DELIBERATE PREMEDITATED HOLOCAUST that
will NEVER be forgotten by the decedents of its VICTIMS and will NEVER be
of MASS GENOCIDE.
HOW DARE YOU try to insinuate by your DERANGED > these HOLOCAUSTS brought
it on to themselves
SAVAGE RAPE and TORTURE and DEGRADING TREATMENT inflicted on them by the
Until Turkey comes to terms with its history of SAVAGE BARBARISM that dates
back to Ottoman times it will NEVER be accepted as part
reparations and accept its PUNISHMENT like Germany VICTIMS are at fault.
It is
ONLY TURKEY which is at fault and TURKEY alone
YOU ARE AN IGNORANT IMBECACILE.
the people of Cyprus for getting the JUSTICE they deserve. HOW DARE YOU try
to compromise that JUSTICE.
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Agamemnon
GENOCIDAL TURKISH FORCES and them alone
Remove the ILLEGAL TURKISH TROOPS and the ILLEGAL TURKISH COLONISTS in
Turkey MUST be PUNISHED for its SAVAGE AND BARBARIC CRIMES AGAINST
HUMANITY
Post by Agamemnon
JUSTICE
for its INNOCENT VICTIMS > > > that its can NEVER perpetrate these
horrendous acts ever again.



Have you ever considered "Anger Management" Faggie ?
Pega
2003-08-15 14:26:49 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Turkey MUST be PUNISHED for its SAVAGE AND BARBARIC CRIMES AGAINST
i find your posts funny most of the time, sometimes Sick and insulting, but
mostly funny, it does not take much for you to start posting in Cap Lock
mode does it :-), what i like about your posts is the way, Greek or Turkish,
does not matter who it is, if they do not agree with you the Cap Lock comes
on with your Insults :-).
Agawhatever is an ANGRY!&#"½!!! person. He has been feeding this anger
with acid hatred for years now. What I don't understand is that how can
people (?) like d'uh!rian and roman and this aga, gogu, all these hate
bubling angry fruitcakes, how can they live day-in day-out filled with
so much bitter hate and anger against an entire nation of some 60
million people?

And they all have these unrealistic demands;

aga wants Turkey to be bombed and punished and all turks to be killed
and dragged in mud, etc.

So does d'uh!rian ... d'uh!rian also beleives that Turks and Mongols
are one and same and that this is somehow and insult to Turks (or
mongolians not clear on that). He also parrots mysterious shit like
"sting of scandinavia, yellow skin slit eyes (as if talking of that
chinese or japanese), clitoris ripping?? cannbial asia?? " etc. Once I
showed him a map of the ottoman empire and he responded that "pow! cop
that whore of a daughter mine!" or some such, insuniating that he would
like to kill his daughter.

Roman would prefer that Turkey would "get on it's knees and beg
foregiveness and admit that the *turd* is sub-human" etc.. All us 60
million Turks. Then they have robotic flame wars with the robotic
"defaultnot", etc.

All in all, it's a riot around here. :)
Jason Lambrou
2003-08-15 16:02:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pega
Post by Agamemnon
Turkey MUST be PUNISHED for its SAVAGE AND BARBARIC CRIMES AGAINST
i find your posts funny most of the time, sometimes Sick and insulting, but
mostly funny, it does not take much for you to start posting in Cap Lock
mode does it :-), what i like about your posts is the way, Greek or Turkish,
does not matter who it is, if they do not agree with you the Cap Lock comes
on with your Insults :-).
Agawhatever is an ANGRY!&#"½!!! person. He has been feeding this anger
with acid hatred for years now. What I don't understand is that how can
people (?) like d'uh!rian and roman and this aga, gogu, all these hate
bubling angry fruitcakes, how can they live day-in day-out filled with
so much bitter hate and anger against an entire nation of some 60
million people?
And they all have these unrealistic demands;
aga wants Turkey to be bombed and punished and all turks to be killed
and dragged in mud, etc.
So does d'uh!rian ... d'uh!rian also beleives that Turks and Mongols
are one and same and that this is somehow and insult to Turks (or
mongolians not clear on that). He also parrots mysterious shit like
"sting of scandinavia, yellow skin slit eyes (as if talking of that
chinese or japanese), clitoris ripping?? cannbial asia?? " etc. Once I
showed him a map of the ottoman empire and he responded that "pow! cop
that whore of a daughter mine!" or some such, insuniating that he would
like to kill his daughter.
Roman would prefer that Turkey would "get on it's knees and beg
foregiveness and admit that the *turd* is sub-human" etc.. All us 60
million Turks. Then they have robotic flame wars with the robotic
"defaultnot", etc.
All in all, it's a riot around here. :)
It is ugly barbaric shit head Turks like your highness that bring out
the worst
in descent peace loving good honest Christian people like the
Greeks,Serbs and Armenians

Hoping this clears your nomadic mind
ecawt85112968/51703
MIchael
2003-08-15 17:12:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jason Lambrou
Post by Agamemnon
Turkey MUST be PUNISHED for its SAVAGE AND BARBARIC CRIMES AGAINST
i find your posts funny most of the time, sometimes Sick and insulting, but
mostly funny, it does not take much for you to start posting in Cap Lock
mode does it :-), what i like about your posts is the way, Greek or Turkish,
does not matter who it is, if they do not agree with you the Cap Lock comes
on with your Insults :-).
Agawhatever is an ANGRY!&#"œ!!! person. He has been feeding this anger
with acid hatred for years now. What I don't understand is that how can
people (?) like d'uh!rian and roman and this aga, gogu, all these hate
bubling angry fruitcakes, how can they live day-in day-out filled with
so much bitter hate and anger against an entire nation of some 60
million people?
And they all have these unrealistic demands;
aga wants Turkey to be bombed and punished and all turks to be killed
and dragged in mud, etc.
So does d'uh!rian ... d'uh!rian also beleives that Turks and Mongols
are one and same and that this is somehow and insult to Turks (or
mongolians not clear on that). He also parrots mysterious shit like
"sting of scandinavia, yellow skin slit eyes (as if talking of that
chinese or japanese), clitoris ripping?? cannbial asia?? " etc. Once I
showed him a map of the ottoman empire and he responded that "pow! cop
that whore of a daughter mine!" or some such, insuniating that he would
like to kill his daughter.
Roman would prefer that Turkey would "get on it's knees and beg
foregiveness and admit that the *turd* is sub-human" etc.. All us 60
million Turks. Then they have robotic flame wars with the robotic
"defaultnot", etc.
All in all, it's a riot around here. :)
It is ugly barbaric shit head Turks like your highness that bring out
the worst
in descent peace loving good honest Christian people like the
Greeks,Serbs and Armenians
and they would probable say the same thing about you
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
2003-08-16 15:02:54 UTC
Permalink
Hope you knees hurt next in your visit to the mosque
*rotflmfao*

Green card expired yet Gayson ?
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
2003-08-16 15:01:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jason Lambrou
Post by Agamemnon
Turkey MUST be PUNISHED for its SAVAGE AND BARBARIC CRIMES AGAINST
i find your posts funny most of the time, sometimes Sick and insulting, but
mostly funny, it does not take much for you to start posting in Cap Lock
mode does it :-), what i like about your posts is the way, Greek or Turkish,
does not matter who it is, if they do not agree with you the Cap Lock comes
on with your Insults :-).
Agawhatever is an ANGRY!&#"œ!!! person. He has been feeding this anger
with acid hatred for years now. What I don't understand is that how can
people (?) like d'uh!rian and roman and this aga, gogu, all these hate
bubling angry fruitcakes, how can they live day-in day-out filled with
so much bitter hate and anger against an entire nation of some 60
million people?
And they all have these unrealistic demands;
aga wants Turkey to be bombed and punished and all turks to be killed
and dragged in mud, etc.
So does d'uh!rian ... d'uh!rian also beleives that Turks and Mongols
are one and same and that this is somehow and insult to Turks (or
mongolians not clear on that). He also parrots mysterious shit like
"sting of scandinavia, yellow skin slit eyes (as if talking of that
chinese or japanese), clitoris ripping?? cannbial asia?? " etc. Once I
showed him a map of the ottoman empire and he responded that "pow! cop
that whore of a daughter mine!" or some such, insuniating that he would
like to kill his daughter.
Roman would prefer that Turkey would "get on it's knees and beg
foregiveness and admit that the *turd* is sub-human" etc.. All us 60
million Turks. Then they have robotic flame wars with the robotic
"defaultnot", etc.
All in all, it's a riot around here. :)
It is ugly barbaric shit head Turks like your highness that bring out
the worst
in descent peace loving good honest Christian people like the
Greeks,Serbs and Armenians
*LMFAO*

Have you got Milosevic posters in your bedroom boy ?

Do you retire under the duvet with a portfolio of Ratko Mladic photos when
you're feeling horny boy ?

*LOL*
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
2003-08-16 14:58:38 UTC
Permalink
Agawhatever is an ANGRY!&#"œ!!! person. He has been feeding this anger
with acid hatred for years now. What I don't understand is that how can
people (?) like d'uh!rian and roman and this aga, gogu, all these hate
bubling angry fruitcakes, how can they live day-in day-out filled with
so much bitter hate and anger against an entire nation of some 60
million people?
And they all have these unrealistic demands;
aga wants Turkey to be bombed and punished and all turks to be killed
and dragged in mud, etc.
So does d'uh!rian ... d'uh!rian also beleives that Turks and Mongols
are one and same and that this is somehow and insult to Turks (or
mongolians not clear on that). He also parrots mysterious shit like
"sting of scandinavia, yellow skin slit eyes (as if talking of that
chinese or japanese), clitoris ripping?? cannbial asia?? " etc. Once I
showed him a map of the ottoman empire and he responded that "pow! cop
that whore of a daughter mine!" or some such, insuniating that he would
like to kill his daughter.
Roman would prefer that Turkey would "get on it's knees and beg
foregiveness and admit that the *turd* is sub-human" etc.. All us 60
million Turks. Then they have robotic flame wars with the robotic
"defaultnot", etc.
All in all, it's a riot around here. :)
But it's not our problem that they are clearly demented fruitloops is it ?

Even their own kind never take a word they say seriously

Best we can do is pity their twisted skulls, hope that they one day recover
and discover what the real world is all about
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
2003-08-16 02:30:15 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Post by WolfWolf
Post by WolfWolf
Post by WolfWolf
I we could achieve peace and eliminate chauvinism and hate in our
country,
Post by WolfWolf
Post by WolfWolf
nothing will be impossible then.
Agreed.
Has there been any case of chauvinism and hate between those Cypriots
who
Post by WolfWolf
came
Post by WolfWolf
together after the opening of the Green Line?
No it hasn't. But what about those who didn't "come together"? Many people
from both sides I have been talking to, have big problems to let go of the
idea of "them and us" (meaning t/c's and g/c's) and see the future of
Cyprus
Post by WolfWolf
as Cypriots. My opinion is that the main reason for most of our problems
is
Post by WolfWolf
our inability to do just that. If we where able to see it in a different
way
Post by WolfWolf
and erase the "green line" from our minds and our way of thinking then we
might reunite Cyprus as well, maybe, just maybe.
YOU FLAMING BRAINWASHED IGNORAMUS.
*LOL*

Says the Cockney reject Northants boy to the *REAL* Cypriot

*ROTFL*
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
2003-08-16 15:30:42 UTC
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"PHAgamemnon" <***@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message news:bhhvcf$tsm$***@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
.
Post by Agamemnon
YOU FLAMING BRAINWASHED IGNORAMUS.
GENOCIDAL TURKISH FORCES > Remove the ILLEGAL TURKISH TROOPS and the
ILLEGAL TURKISH COLONISTS in
Post by Agamemnon
Turkey MUST be PUNISHED for its SAVAGE AND BARBARIC CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY
can be JUSTICE
Post by Agamemnon
for its INNOCENT VICTIMS consisting of ALL of
that its can NEVER
http://www.phagamemnon.dabsol.co.uk/humanrig.htm
LOOK ra Faggie

Here's another amateur scammer who cant release "caps lock"

Relative of yours ?

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MIchael
2003-08-18 17:45:46 UTC
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Post by MIchael
Post by Agamemnon
MIchael
You've got this Phagamemnon loon well sussed
I'm really suprised that you noticed *LOLOLOL*
I should have added, any one from any country, don't agree and its Cap
Lock
attack :-)
this news group would not be the same without there silly posts... I
wonder
if he ever gets any Hits to his websites.
I would love to meet them all one day, you never know, maybe one day we
will
all meet and we can all have a nice chat in person with them over there
Funny posts :-)
I do wish this news group was used for a decent discussion on Cyprus and
its
future and not kept in the past like the country has been.
silly thing is... Cyprus will one day be united and in peace, but this
news
group will not be :-)
The positive side of it is that they can use the NG as their battleground
but not Cyprus. By this way they can spare their own life among with
thousands of others.
so true
WolfWolf
2003-08-16 00:16:26 UTC
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Post by defaultnot
Post by WolfWolf
Post by WolfWolf
I would say that the present political leaderships in both sides are
unprepared. Maybe, just maybe, the t/c "oposition" will be more
reasonable
Post by WolfWolf
Post by WolfWolf
and try to come to terms. If it happens, or should I say if the Turkish
"deep state" let it happen, then the international and hopefully the
dpmestic presure on the g/c political leadership will increase and a
solution might come sooner than later.
I see one steady factor (R. Denktash) and around him unsteady
constellations, also
Post by WolfWolf
across the opposition. Even D. junior is unsteady - he was the one who
initiated the
Post by WolfWolf
opening of the Green Line.
I expect one or more "surprise moves" after summer, before elections.
The result of these moves might have impact on how the constellations
stabilize and
Post by WolfWolf
influence the elections - and the steps after.
That's why I would not make speculations now.
The "deep state" is a poor replacement for lack of knowledge. Politics in
Turkey was
Post by WolfWolf
never so transparent as today, but it takes time and effort to analyze and
understand
Post by WolfWolf
the different levels of opinion-shaping and decision-making.
Elections time you know. Political leaders are always unsteady during
elections in order to "come in terms" with the public opinion which is
always unsteady. But I wouldn't say Mr.D has been so steady this year.
I see him only pivoting around his axis, but not moving to the other shore ...
Post by defaultnot
A lot of Turks are talking about the "deep state" as well.
I know. The less they care about details, the louder they talk. Oh, and the 'deep
state' is of course responsible for hiding the known forecasts of the next big
earthquake ...
Post by defaultnot
Post by WolfWolf
Post by WolfWolf
Lets angree that we disangree on this one. We might both be right (or
wrong)
Post by WolfWolf
Post by WolfWolf
you know. :-)
I have one reason why I define it as "political". The often mentioned ECHR
ruling of
Post by WolfWolf
the Loizidiou case is, in my view, not consistent with the jurisprudence
of other
Post by WolfWolf
similar cases. I think that the decision of the judges, which was not
unanimous, was
Post by WolfWolf
influenced by political considerations.
Others may disagree.
I am among the "others". :-)
Post by WolfWolf
Post by WolfWolf
I we could achieve peace and eliminate chauvinism and hate in our
country,
Post by WolfWolf
Post by WolfWolf
nothing will be impossible then.
Agreed.
Has there been any case of chauvinism and hate between those Cypriots who
came
Post by WolfWolf
together after the opening of the Green Line?
No it hasn't. But what about those who didn't "come together"? Many people
from both sides I have been talking to, have big problems to let go of the
idea of "them and us" (meaning t/c's and g/c's) and see the future of Cyprus
as Cypriots. My opinion is that the main reason for most of our problems is
our inability to do just that. If we where able to see it in a different way
and erase the "green line" from our minds and our way of thinking then we
might reunite Cyprus as well, maybe, just maybe.
I think that the statistics show that the number of people from both sides visiting
the other side (and repeating the visits) is quite higher than expected.
I think that those who have not (yet) moved are a minority.
It takes some time (but only time) to erase the "green line" from the mind. This
process is irreversible.
Post by defaultnot
Post by WolfWolf
There's a Turkish proverb: "Today's hope is tomorrow's certainty."
Nice one indid. (Depending of the "hope" that is). I, for example, do not
share Denktash's hopes. :-))
At that age all hopes have settled.
I do think, however, that he has some weak points which the Greek Cypriot leaders seem
to be unable to grasp and to address.

WolfWolf
The European
WolfWolf
2003-08-16 00:26:25 UTC
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Post by WolfWolf
Post by WolfWolf
I have one reason why I define it as "political". The often mentioned ECHR
ruling of
Post by WolfWolf
the Loizidiou case is, in my view, not consistent with the jurisprudence
of other
Post by WolfWolf
similar cases. I think that the decision of the judges, which was not
unanimous, was
Post by WolfWolf
influenced by political considerations.
Others may disagree.
Turkey invaded Cyprus in 1974 and since then occupies one third of the
island's territory.
SHEER POPPYCOCK!!!
Even the Council of Europe considered Turkey's intervention LEGAL:
Resolution 573 (1974) of the Council of Europe "regretting the failure of the attempt
to reach a diplomatic settlement which led the Turkish Government to exercise its
right of intervention in accordance with Article 4 of the Guarantee Treaty of 1960".
http://www.pio.gov.cy/docs/euro/council_of_europe/parl_assembly/res_573.htm
(A Greek Cypriot source)

"RIGHT OF INTERVENTION", got it, LIAR???????
Post by WolfWolf
Both Court's judgments were held by six votes in favor and one against,
being the one of the Turkish judge.
Which proves me right that the ruling was NOT unanimous!!!!
And which exposes YOU, Aggie, again as a HYPOCRITE LIAR!!!!
Post by WolfWolf
Who is it that is preventing the refugees from retuning to their homes.
Those who want it, and who have the balls to resist to the heavy pressure by the Greek
Cypriot administration, have the doors open - to settlement by a LAWFUL court in the
Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus:

Greek Cypriots Continue to Apply to the Indemnification Commission Despite Pressure

Istanbul, TURKEY, August 12, 2003 - Despite heavy pressure from their leaders, Greek
Cypriots reportedly continue to apply to the Indemnification Commission in the Turkish
Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) for their properties in the north of the island.
Post by WolfWolf
Post by WolfWolf
WolfWolf
The European
You are not a European and never will be.
I am, Aggie, with much more right than you.

Now go and prepare your cheque for indemnization of 400 TRILLION DOLLARS which must be
paid for Turkish Cypriots victims of BARBARIAN GENOCIDE and SAVAGE ETHNIC CLEANSING by
the CRIMINAL EOKA TERRORISTS!!!

WolfWolf
The European
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
2003-08-16 12:59:45 UTC
Permalink
was a blatant violation of Article 2 Paragraph 4 of the UN Charter which
states that NO STATE
Re_Faggie, you've got into a bit of a state with your states, please state
your reasons for the confused state you appear to be in
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
2003-08-16 02:54:53 UTC
Permalink
BULLSHIT YOU SERIAL LIAR
GENOCIDE ECHR YOU SICK PERVERT.
GENOCIDAL TURKISH FORCES ILLEGAL TURKISH TROOPS and the ILLEGAL TURKISH
COLONISTS in
Turkey MUST be PUNISHED for its SAVAGE AND BARBARIC CRIMES AGAINST
HUMANITY
can be JUSTICE
for its INNOCENT VICTIMS consisting of ALL
Anger Management ?
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
2003-08-13 00:10:58 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
UN RESOLUTION 541 (1983)
Adopted by the Security Council on 18 November 1983
Before you were born Cockney reject ?
Seanie O'Kilfoyle
2003-08-13 00:07:35 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Athens cites negative effects for Turkey's EU course due
Why arent you in jail yet, racist hatemonger ?
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